Presidential Election

[EM_PS]

Not to bash McCain or anything, but I thought those were funny.

Epic Lol's!

 

[SkyWarp]

I thought this was pretty funny: http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.p...901647&sc=1

 

[RIP - VTEnviro]

1o1ZoRzz!!1!

 

[DVINNY]

emailed to me today

CHANGE ? (just the century)

As America enters the final weeks of the 2008 Presidential Election a community organization based in CHICAGO named ACORN (with ties to Barack Obama) has come under fire for "POSSIBLE" voter fraud (I for one was shocked). Acorns explanation is possible mistakes by employees and can't help that. Do they think Americans are that stupid? Frankly I believe the Government is that stupid to keep funding these organizations with OUR TAX DOLLARS. When you step back and look at the series of events unfolding it is easy to see that AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS (that lately there are plenty of) have been funding the fix of the "FIX" of the Presidential election.---PLAIN AND SIMPLE---Could it be that the COMMUNITY ORGANIZER has elevated to ORGANIZED CRIME ??? Is Barack Obama Chicago's 21st Century version of Chicago's 20th Century Al Capone??

And now a message from my friend Roy in Chicago...

You want CHANGE?

CHANGE Chicago style...

BODY COUNT

In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago,

221 killed in Iraq .

WHO'S IN CHARGE IN ILLINOIS ?

Gov. Rod Blogojevich

House leader Mike Madigan

Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike)

Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of former Mayor Richard J. Daley)

&

SENATORS

BARACK OBAMA

&

**** DURBIN

....the leadership in Illinois .....all Democrats.

Chicago is a combat zone. Of course they're all blaming each other.

Can't blame Republicans, there aren't any!

State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country.

(Look'em up if you want). Chicago school system one of the worst in country

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois.

He's gonna 'fix' Washington politics?

"BULL ****"

 

[mudpuppy]

Ok, I wasn't going to post this because I figure at least a few people here may be offended, but given the last post I figure it's just fine.

Rolling Stone published a very long, admittedly biased article on McCain. Way too much to quote here, but this particular passage seemed relevant.

The myth of John McCain hinges on two transformations — from pampered flyboy to selfless patriot, and from Keating crony to incorruptible reformer — that simply never happened. But there is one serious conversion that has taken root in McCain: his transformation from a cautious realist on foreign policy into a reckless cheerleader of neoconservatism.
"He's going to be Bush on steroids," says Johns, the retired brigadier general who has known McCain since their days at the National War College. "His hawkish views now are very dangerous. He puts military at the top of foreign policy rather than diplomacy, just like George Bush does. He and other neoconservatives are dedicated to converting the world to democracy and free markets, and they want to do it through the barrel of a gun."

 

[Dleg]

^^My thoughts (hopes, really) are that he is doing that to try to ensure the votes of the neoconservatives. I HOPE that once (if) he gets in office, he returns to his more moderate, realist ways, which are the only attributes that originally made me think I would prefer him over a Democrat. (aI say this as an independent, but registered Republican who has been offended by what "Republican" has come to mean under Bush, and seems to be continuing in full force under Palin-McCain)

 

[Capt Worley PE]

Interesting editorial in today's State paper about why Obama's association with Rezko, Ayers, and Wright gives valuable insight into Obama's character:

http://www.thestate.com/editorial-columns/story/550342.html

As Joe Walsh once sang:

On the bottom words are shallow,

On the surface talk is cheap.

You can only judge the distance,

By the company you keep.

 

[frazil]

^to me this story just makes McCain look desperate. There's no real evidence that they had much connection. Ayers is a professor of education in Chicago now and when he was a radical Obama was only 8 years old. ridiculous.

 

[Capt Worley PE]

That's just an editorial, not a story. But, Obama's state senate campaign began in Ayers living room. Ayers has supported Obama thru his state senate, national senate, and Presidential bids.

 

[benbo]

I don't think this is going to work for McCain. I don't think people care about Ayers. They are too worried about their money, with the 24-7 bombardment of gloom and doom. I'm a McCain guy (barely) but Obama is a lot smarter buying these half-hour chunks on the anniversary of the great crash. If nothing else, his campaign is a master of political theater.

I think a lot of politicians on both sides associate with very unsavory characters. To me the shocking thing about Ayers is that now he is a respected member of Chicago political society (if there is such a thing.) He was much worse than a dime store radical waving Mao's little red book on a corner. Tom Hayden was fairly radical because of his stuff in the Chicago seven or whatever, but it was nothing compared to Ayers. Those Weathermen plotted bombings where people actually got killed. Granted, they were the bombers who got killed, but these days if you conduct a crime and your accomplice gets killed that makes you a murderer.

But like I said, I don't think anybody cares about this.

 

[RIP - VTEnviro]

I don't make much of this, and it's not because I'm pro-Obama. I highly doubt either candidate to be President of the US is in bed with terrorists. They wouldn't have gotten this far if they did.

Palin's ties to the Alaskan Independence Party are concerning to me though.

I'd be more worried about what special interests the candidates are in bed with.

 

[DVINNY]

THE HAIRCUT

One day a florist goes to a barber for a haircut. After the cut he asked

about his bill and the barber replies, 'I cannot accept money from you.

I'm doing community service this week.' The florist was pleased and left

the shop.

When the barber goes to open his shop the next morning there is a 'thank

you' card and a dozen roses waiting for him at his door.

Later, a cop comes in for a haircut, and when he tries to pay his bill,

the barber again replies, 'I cannot accept money from you. I'm doing

community service this week.' The cop is happy and leaves the shop.

The next morning when the barber goes to open up there is? a 'thank you'

card and a dozen donuts waiting for him at his door.

Later that day, a college professor comes in for a haircut, and when he

tries to pay his bill, the barber again replies, 'I cannot accept money

from you. I'm doing community service this week.' The professor is very

happy and leaves the shop.

The next morning when the barber opens his shop, there is a 'thank you'

card and a dozen different books, such as 'How to Improve Your Business'

and 'Becoming More Successful.

'Then, a Congressman comes in for a haircut, and when he goes to pay his

bill the barber again replies, 'I cannot accept money from you. I'm

doing community service this week.' The Congressman is very happy and

leaves the shop.

The next morning when the barber goes to open up, there are a dozen

Congressmen lined up waiting for a free haircut.

...And that, my friends, illustrates the fundamental difference between the

citizens of our country and the members of our Congress.

...f**k*r$...

 

[Guest]

The Scholastic Kid's Poll is in ....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27172326/

JR

 

[Dleg]

Interesting news piece from CNN

Buckley leaves National Review after Obama endorsement

Christopher Buckley, the son of conservative icon William F. Buckley, said Tuesday he's resigned from the conservative National Review days after endorsing Barack Obama's White House bid, among the most powerful symbols yet of the conservative discontent expressed this election cycle.
...

"Eight years of 'conservative' government has brought us a doubled national debt, ruinous expansion of entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, poster boy Jack Abramoff and an ill-premised, ill-waged war conducted by politicians of breathtaking arrogance. As a sideshow, it brought us a truly obscene attempt at federal intervention in the Terry Schiavo case," he also wrote.

 

[Road Guy]

the biggest thing I dont like about Obama, and he said it several times in the debate last night is that he keeps using the phrase "for those that can afford it" meaning for those that can afford to pay higher taxes they should, people, businesses, etc, for those that can afford to pay for other people to have health care should, thats just not very American, it is very European, but not American

 

[Flyer_PE]

^ The whole "those that can afford it" line sends me right off the map. The problem with that philosophy is that as soon as you define an income level that can afford to pay higher taxes, you have just upped the incentives for people to either stop trying to earn above that level or to hide any income above that level. Either way, it stifles economic activity and actually lowers the income to the treasury. It does, however, increase how much control government has on the management of our own lives.

 

[wilheldp_PE]

the biggest thing I dont like about Obama, and he said it several times in the debate last night is that he keeps using the phrase "for those that can afford it" meaning for those that can afford to pay higher taxes they should, people, businesses, etc, for those that can afford to pay for other people to have health care should, thats just not very American, it is very European, but not American

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

Welcome to Communism/Socialism/Marxism/Obamaism.

 

[benbo]

Just for the heck of it, I looked this thing up.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/econo...s_tpc/index.htm

I'm not sure how true this is, or if these guys will stick to this. And that $12 number is apparently not a typo.

I think some of the lower income folks on here don't really pay any income tax, so it is basically a credit on their payroll taxes or something. And I'm not sure how much if this is just letting or not letting the Bush tax cuts expire.

I think the real problem is going to be getting any kind of tax decrease at all through what is likely to be a fairly lopsided Democratic (or Democrat, whichever you prefer) Congress.

 

[Flyer_PE]

^^ That is if you actually believe Obama's tax proposal. How does he plan to cover all of the new spending he has proposed?

I remember the fall of '92 when a certain presidential candidate promised a tax cut for the middle class.

I also remember the State of the Union address in '93 where he not only said the government couldn't afford the tax cut, he was going to have to raise taxes. He also introduced us to the concept of the retroactive tax increase.

His plan was that nobody would hold him accountable in '96. He was correct.

 

[benbo]

^^ That is if you actually believe Obama's tax proposal. How does he plan to cover all of the new spending he has proposed?
I remember the fall of '92 when a certain presidential candidate promised a tax cut for the middle class.

I also remember the State of the Union address in '93 where he not only said the government couldn't afford the tax cut, he was going to have to raise taxes. He also introduced us to the concept of the retroactive tax increase.

His plan was that nobody would hold him accountable in '96. He was correct.

Yes, like I said, I don't know if either one of them will actually follow through, or even be able to follow through. I'm sure McCain would like tax cuts, not so sure about Obama, but if McCain wants to keep the Bush tax cuts he's got to get the Congress to vote to extend them, and I don't see how that's going to happen with what the next Congress is likely going to look like.