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Who will better represent the American Public in The White House?

  • McCain

    Votes: 1 33.3%
  • Obama

    Votes: 2 66.7%

  • Total voters
    3
I was invited on out with an attorney to watch the results come in over drinks. :D

I agree, I won't believe anything until the candidate-elect is sworn into office!

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JR

 
Typical cable news slip-up. I'm with you on this one, benbo. I wasn't talking about a candidate in particular, more the entire process. But, I suppose that I should have said 'Is it Wednesday yet?', meaning that the election is over. Although, it may go on much longer than that if either side challenges things. I am not calling the election till someone takes the oath of office.
Yeah, I wasn't commenting on your post. I just picked it to stick my post on. I actually think it'll be over on Tuesday, and I don't think it will go my way. It think it will be closer than expected popular vote wise (maybe 3 or 4 %), but I think O-man will get over 300 electors. That's my prediction.

I also predict the other big winner that night will be jr. (see post above)

 
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Yeah, I wasn't commenting on your post. I just picked it to stick my post on. I actually think it'll be over on Tuesday, and I don't think it will go my way. It think it will be closer than expected popular vote wise (maybe 3 or 4 %), but I think O-man will get over 300 electors. That's my prediction.
I also predict the other big winner that night will be jr. (see post above)
Depends on how manydrinks he consumes vs. the lawyer!

 
My only hope for the '08 presidential election is that the victor wins by a large margin, large enough to not drag things on for months with hand recounts, dangling chads or any other drama.

On second thought perhaps some more mayhem like the post 2000 race might be good for America.

 
I was invited on out with an attorney to watch the results come in over drinks.
We're having a little Go-Bama get together on Tuesday. My first thought was to make a Superbowl Party atmosphere out of it, as we are known throughout parts of 2 states for our awesome pigskin parties, but then I thought about the what happened in the SB last year, and decided on a different approach.

 
I am going to have to unplug my phone until Tuesday, to many damn messages from candidates... "Hi, this is so and so running for such and such....." cant hit delete fast enough on my answeringmachine

 
Corey Miller Well Driller

Mr. Obama,

Given the uproar about the simple question asked you by Joe the plumber, and the persecution that has been heaped on him because he dared to question you, I find myself motivated to say a few things to you myself. While Joe aspires to start a business someday, I already have started not one, but 4 businesses. But first, let me introduce myself. You can call me 'Cory the well driller'. I am a 54 year old high school graduate. I didn't go to college like you, I was too ready to go 'conquer the world' when I finished high school. 25 years ago at age 29, I started my own water well drilling business at a time when the economy here in East Texas was in a tailspin from the crash of the early 80's oil boom. I didn't get any help from the government, nor did I look for any. I borrowed what I could from my sister, my uncle, and even the pawn shop and managed to scrape together a homemade drill rig and a few tools to do my first job. My businesses did not start not a result of privilege. It is the result of my personal drive, personal ambition, self discipline, self reliance, and a determination to treat my customers fairly. From the very start my business provided one other (than myself) East Texan a full time job. I couldn't afford a backhoe the first few years (something every well drilling business had), so I and my helper had to dig the mud pits that are necessary for each and every job with hand shovels. I had to use my 10 year old, 1/2 ton pickup truck for my water tank truck (normally a job for at least a 2 ton truck).

A year and a half after I started the business, I scraped together a 20% down payment to get a modest bank loan and bought a (28 year) old, worn out, slightly bigger drilling rig to allow me to drill the deeper water wells in my area. I spent the next few years drilling wells with the rig while simultaneously rebuilding it between jobs. Through these years I never knew from one month to the next if I would have any work or be able to pay the bills. I got behind on my income taxes one year, and spent the next two years paying that back (with penalty and interest) while keeping up with ongoing taxes. I got behind on my water well supply bill 2 different years (way behind the second time... $80,000.00), and spent over a year paying it back (each time) while continuing to pay for ongoing supplies C.O.D.. Of course, the personal stress endured through these experiences and years is hard to measure. I do have a stent in my heart now to memorialize it all.

I spent the next 10 years developing the reputation for being the most competent and most honest water well driller in East Texas . 2 years along the way, I hired another full time employee for the drilling business so that we could provide full time water well pump service as well as the well drilling. Also, 3 years along the path, I bought a water well screen service machine from a friend, starting business # 2. 5 years later I made a business loan for $100,000.00 to build a new, higher production, computer controlled screen service machine. I had designed the machine myself, and it didn't work out for 3 years so I had to make the loan payments without the benefit of any added income from the new machine. No government program was there to help me with the payments, or to help me sleep at night as I lay awake wondering how I would solve my machine problems or pay my bills. Finally, after 3 years, I got the screen machine working properly, and that provided another full time job for an East Texan in the screen service business.

2 years after that, I made another business loan, this time for $250,000.00, to buy another used drilling rig and all the support equipment needed to run another, larger, drill rig. This provided another 2 full time jobs for East Texans. Again, I spent a couple of years not knowing if I had made a smart move, or a move that would bankrupt me. For the third time in 13 years, I had placed everything I owned on the line, risking everything, in order to build a business.

A couple of years into this, I came up with a bright idea for a new kind of mud pump, a fundamentally necessary pump used on water well drill rigs. I spent my entire life savings to date (just $30,000.00), building a prototype of the pump and took it to the national water well convention to show it off. Customers immediately started coming out of the woodworks to buy the pumps, but there was a problem. I had depleted my assets making the prototype, and nobody would make me a business loan to start production of the new pumps. With several deposits for pump orders in hand, and nowhere to go, I finally started applying for as many credit card as I could find and took cash withdrawals on these cards to the tune of over $150,000.00 (including modest loans from my dear sister and brother), to get this 3rd business going.

Yes, once again, I had everything hanging over the line in an effort to start another business. I had never manufactured anything, and I had to design and bring into production a complex hydraulic machine from an untested prototype to a reliable production model (in six months). How many nights I lay awake wondering if I had just made the paramount mistake of my life I cannot tell you, but there were plenty. I managed to get the pumps into production, which immediately created another 2 full time jobs in East Texas . Some of the models in the first year suffered from quality issues due to the poor workmanship of one of my key suppliers, so I and an employee (another East Texan employed) had to drive across the country to repair customers' pumps, practically from coast to coast. I stood behind the product, and made payments to all the credit cards that had financed me (and my brother and sister). I spent the next 5 years improving and refining the product, building a reputation for the pump and the company, working to get the pump into drill rig manufacturers' product lines, and paying back credit cards. During all this time I continued to manage a growing water well business that was now operating 3 drill rig crews, and 2 well service crews. Also, the screen service business continued to grow. No government programs were there to help me, Mr. Obama, but that's ok, I didn't expect any, nor did I want any. I was too busy fighting to make success happen to sit around waiting for the government to help me.

Now, we have been manufacturing the mud pumps for 7 years, my combined businesses employ 32 full time employees, and distribute $5,000,000.00 annually through the local economy. Now, just 4 months ago I borrowed $1,254,000.00, purchasing computer controlled machining equipment to start my 4th business, a production machine shop. The machine shop will serve the mud pump company so that we can better manufacture our pumps that are being shipped worldwide. Of course, the machine shop will also do work for outside companies as well. This has already produced 2 more full time jobs, and 2 more should develop out of it in the next few months. This should work out, but if it doesn't it will be because you, and the other professional politicians like yourself, will have destroyed our countrys' (and the world) economy with your meddling with mortgage loan programs through your liberal manipulation and intimidation of loaning institutions to make sure that unqualified borrowers could get mortgages. You see, at the very time when I couldn't get a business loan to get my mud pumps into production, you were working with Acorn and the Community Reinvestment Act programs to make sure that unqualified borrowers could buy homes with no down payment, and even no credit or worse yet, bad credit. Even the infamous, liberal, Ninja loans (No Income, No Job or Assets). While these unqualified borrowers were enjoying unrealistically low interest rates, I was paying 22% to 24% interest on the credit cards that I had used to provide me the funds for the mud pump business that has created jobs for more East Texans. It's funny, because after 25 years of turning almost every dime of extra money back into my businesses to grow them, it has been only in the last two years that I have finally made enough money to be able to put a little away for retirement, and now the value of that has dropped 40% because of the policies you and your ilk have perpetrated on our country.

You see, Mr. Obama, I'm the guy you intend to raise taxes on. I'm the guy who has spent 25 years toiling and sweating, fretting and fighting, stressing and risking, to build a business and get ahead. I'm the guy who has been on the very edge of bankruptcy more than a dozen times over the last 25 years, and all the while creating more and more jobs for East Texans who didn't want to take a risk, and wouldn't demand from themselves what I have demanded from myself. I'm the guy you characterize as 'the Americans who can afford it the most' that you believe should be taxed more to provide income redistribution 'to spread the wealth' to those who have never toiled, sweated, fretted, fought, stressed, or risked anything. You want to characterize me as someone who has enjoyed a life of privilege and who needs to pay a higher percentage of my income than those who have bought into your entitlement culture. I resent you, Mr. Obama, as I resent all who want to use class warfare as a tool to advance their political career. What's worse, each year more Americans buy into your liberal entitlement culture, and turn to the government for their hope of a better life instead of themselves. Liberals are succeeding through more than 40 years of collaborative effort between the predominant liberal media, and liberal indoctrination programs in the public school systems across our land.

What is so terribly sad about this is this. America was made great by people who embraced the one-time American culture of self reliance, self motivation, self determination, self discipline, personal betterment, hard work, risk taking. A culture built around the concept that success was in reach on every able bodied American who would strive for it. Each year that less Americans embrace that culture, we all descend together. We descend down the socialist path that has brought country after country ultimately to bitter and unremarkable states. If you and your liberal comrades in the media and school systems would spend half as much effort cultivating a culture of can-do across America as you do cultivating your entitlement culture, we could see Americans at large embracing the conviction that they can elevate themselves through personal betterment, personal achievement, and self reliance. You see, when people embrace such ideals, they act on them. When people act on such ideals, they succeed. All of America could find herself elevating instead of deteriorating. But that would eliminate the need for liberal politicians, wouldn't it, Mr. Obama? The country would not need you if the country was convinced that problem solving was best left with individuals instead of the government. You and all your liberal comrades have got a vested interested in creating a dependent class in our country. It is the very business of liberals to create an ever expanding dependence on government. What's remarkable is that you, who have never produced a job in your life, are going to tax me to take more of my money and give it to people who wouldn't need my money if they would get off their entitlement mentality asses and apply themselves at work, demand more from themselves, and quit looking to liberal politicians to raise their station in life.

You see, I know because I've had them work for me before. Hundreds of them over these 25 years. People who simply will not show up to work on time. People who just will not work 5 days in a week, much less, 6 days. People always looking for a way to put less effort out. People who actually tell me that they would do more if I just would first pay them more. People who take off work to sit in government offices to apply to get free government handouts (gee, I wonder how things would have turned out for them if they had spent that time earning money and pleasing their employer?). You see, all of this comes from your entitlement mentality culture.

Oh, I know you will say I am uncompassionate. Sorry, Mr. Obama, wrong again. You see, I've seen what the average percentage of your income has been given to charities over the years of 2000 to 2004 (ignoring the years you started running for office - can you pronounce "politically motivated"), you averaged of less than 1% annually. And your running mate, Joe Biden, averaged less than ¼% of his annual income in charitable contributions over the last 10 years. Like so many liberals, the two of you want to give to the needy, just as long as it is someone else's money you are giving to them. I won't say what I have given to charities over the last 25 years, but the percentage is several times more than you or Joe Biden (don't you just hate google?). Tell me again how you feel my pain.

In short, Mr. Obama, your political philosophies represent everything that is wrong with our country. You represent the culture of government dependence instead of self reliance; Entitlement mentality instead of personal achievement; Penalization of the successful to reward the unmotivated; Political correctness instead of open mindedness and open debate. If you are successful, you may preside over the final transformation of America from being the greatest and most self-reliant culture on earth, to just another country of whiners and wimps, who sit around looking to the government to solve their problems. Like all of western Europe. All countries on the decline. All countries that, because of liberal socialistic mentalities, have a little less to offer mankind every year.

God help us...

Cory Miller

just a ordinary, extraordinary American, the way a lot of Americans used to be.

P.S. Yes, Mr. Obama, I am a real American... www.cmillerdrilling.com

 
Dear Mr. Obama -

Who am I? Just your ordinary graduate of a top three engineering school who worked his way up from the floor not like the goats I have to deal with on this website. I don't really care one way or the other about taxes, because I am so smart and rich I will figure out a way around them. What I would like you to do is clamp down on EB.com and force them to reinstate my posting priveleges. I'm sure you can add this to the long list of new laws you and your pals in the Congress will be passing. There needs to be a law against these jealous people who could never recieve an offer from a Fortune 10 company like I did, let alone be the agreed upon top enigneer in the world by all the deans of engineering schools.

Who am I?

You can just call me GT_ME the only PE and licensed contractor in the US

 
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Probably the only thing you and I agree on this election year. Let's just get this over with.
And $10 says someone will put feelers out for 2012 before the inauguration happens.
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Probably the only thing you and I agree on this election year. Let's just get this over with.
And $10 says someone will put feelers out for 2012 before the inauguration happens.
You have ads in Boston?

Who is it? THe Green party battling the Democrat? (Yeah, I know you had a couple Republican governors, but I didn't know there was anything close this year)

 
Well, McCain has at least one vote. Just submitted my absentee ballot - headed to Iron Mountain, MI on Tuesday. I wasn't going to not vote for this one.
Should I take a coat??
"Normal" temps are high 50/low 30, but this time of year is hit or miss. That far north--it could be 60 degrees and nice or 25 degrees with 10" of snow on the ground. Bring a coat just in case. By the end of next week they are predicting highs in the 30's with snow in Iron Mountain.

Iron Mountain is a beautiful area. I have a friend that lives up there and have been tempted by some of the job openings she has sent me. Cost of living is dirt cheap too--average home price is in the $60k range.

 
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHCK!!! Don't post stuff like that without a warning.

You have ads in Boston? Who is it? THe Green party battling the Democrat? (Yeah, I know you had a couple Republican governors, but I didn't know there was anything close this year)
Yeah, we have tons of ads here. Which is odd because there's not a close race here at all. McCain is about as popular in these parts as a guy in front of Fenway in a Yankees shirt.

 
I'd been reading reports that the Republicans were keeping a dirty trick up their sleeve to let out just before the election. . . .looks like they finally let it leak.

I am interested to see how this works out for them. Apparently McCain thinks everyone will be outraged and vote for him. However, my feeling is that people will see through this as the politcal move it is and it will backfire on him.

 
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See through it as a political move?

so you think the McCain campaign coersed Obama into saying these things back in 2001 so that they could use it as a political move in 2008?

That is not the big move at the end, Arnold is:



 
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I'm not talking about your post, DV, I'm talking about Obama's aunt being an illegal alien. Guess I should have made that clear. I am sure it's not an "accident" that this happened to leak out less the 4 days to the election.

 
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