The headline is incredibly inflammatory and anything that refers to MEDICAL OVERLORDS!!! is not going to be worth my time.
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And do we really know that? I'm thinking of the folks who die from pneumonia which started from a common cold. It happens so commonly that I assume it is not listed as the cause of death on the death certificate.
(clarifications: I didn't read the article. I make no claims to be an expert, I just like the logic.)
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I think it's been pretty widely established by now that flu deaths have regularly been under-reported over the years and that COVID deaths have been grossly over-reported.
This is true.
This is complete speculation. We won't know this answer for a couple years. Don't trust anyone who pretends to know right now.
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When I am getting first hand accounts from people who work in hospitals are reporting cause of death after dying in a car accident or from a massive heart attack, it's not speculation. When there is monetary incentive for hospitals to report deaths as COVID related, the numbers being reported are completely useless.
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Neither is the fudged information that is being reported by hospitals for monetary gain, but you are content to take it as 100% factual.
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I dont think that hopsitals make the #'s up for profit, but my wife has said if they have anyone who dies and it seems slightly "strange" (i.e not 100% known why they died) then they will have them tested for the rona before giving the body over to the coroner / family.
I think they use the data for their own self serving purposes so they can say, yeah we had 900 people die in our hospital this past year, but 400 of them had covid - I do believe that type of data recording happens at some internal level, which isnt politicaly motivated, but keeps their own internal insurance, joint commission, ratings, etc, where they want them.
I think they use the data for their own self serving purposes so they can say, yeah we had 900 people die in our hospital this past year, but 400 of them had covid - I do believe that type of data recording happens at some internal level, which isnt politicaly motivated, but keeps their own internal insurance, joint commission, ratings, etc, where they want them.
LOL, I just said, we won't have reliable data for a couple years. It takes time an energy to study this stuff.
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Was it just bars closed before?
I admit, living here in Denver where people are more likely to chase you down if you are on your bicylce and NOT wearing a mask, its a little weird when I see friends of mine from Atlanta down on "Fall Break" at PCB out to eat and not a mask in sight..
My older son is at a relatively small school (3000 students) they had a big spike the first week and then it has really dropped since then, I have been watching the numbers - one would think that this same graph would apply at most colleges, big increase in the beginning, then a drop? He said kids wear masks where they are supposed to (chow hall, student center, libraries and classroooms), but no where else
I admit, living here in Denver where people are more likely to chase you down if you are on your bicylce and NOT wearing a mask, its a little weird when I see friends of mine from Atlanta down on "Fall Break" at PCB out to eat and not a mask in sight..
My older son is at a relatively small school (3000 students) they had a big spike the first week and then it has really dropped since then, I have been watching the numbers - one would think that this same graph would apply at most colleges, big increase in the beginning, then a drop? He said kids wear masks where they are supposed to (chow hall, student center, libraries and classroooms), but no where else
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There were restrictions at restaurants to only operate at <50%, but now local authorities cannot limit restaurants to <50% and have to have justification to limit <100%. Local authorities can no longer fine people for not wearing masks.
Ok doubters, here is real data on total deaths in the US, by all causes. Look at this graph, explore the data on this site, If it's not COVID, tell me is it the common cold that has killed all these extra people this year? Car accidents? (and if so, why do I keep getting rebates from my insurance company supposedly due to fewer accidents this year?). A sudden surge in heart attacks caused by internet stress? Curious what your explanations might be.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
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