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[RIP - VTEnviro]

I've only gotten called by a recruiter once, wouldn't offer up the firm that was looking or where it was located. I don't even think he knew what field I was in since he didn't mention engineering once.

Just the standard "You were highly recommended to us, our client is very interested in a person with your skills and professionalism, blah blah blah."

 

[rudy]

Dang Squishles, so sorry about that stupid weinee company. Just catching up on a few threads, and just came across this. That's crazy. Stupid weinee guy.

 

[maryannette]

An idea for your job search, I got my last two jobs by getting the department head's email address and simply emailing him my resume and cover letter.You can ask your friends and/or contacts

Most companies have a standard e-mail address format and you can usually find it on their website if they have contact information. Many websites will also list the management people, so you fill in the blanks and you have he e-mail address.

 

[chaosiscash]

I get a lot of calls, but my industry is so specialized, most of the recruiters don't BS me too much. They basically ask if I am working, and am I ready for a change, and let me know which site the job is, and what the job is. If I'm interested, we talk rate and per diem. If I'm not, they start asking if I know anyone else cleared and qualified that needs a job. I don't get a lot of calls from the more general job recruiters, just nuke industry specific ones.

 

[Flyer_PE]

The last recruiter contact I had was looking to replace somebody where I was already doing work. They were trying to be a little vague about the exact location but there aren't that many nuclear plants in Wisconsin. Not only did I know where the job was, I knew the guy who resigned and created the opening.

 

[Dexman1349]

I don't think recruiters are entirely bad. I think it more depends on the nature of the recruiting firm and the specific nature of your industry. At my last job one of my co-workers knew I was looking for a new job and actually recommended a really good recruiting firm. She was able to land me the job I've been in for the last 3 years. She had actually landed my office manager his job as well. All three of us are actually pretty good friends now.

I will admit the blanket "we have a client looking for a person with your skills" phone calls piss me off. I really like to mess with them by replying, "and what specific skills do I have that prompted you to call me?" They can never answer that one without only listing the general "people and computer skills." One mass recruiting firm had managed to get ahold of my phone number and would call me about 2 or 3 times a week with this crap. I finally told them to delete my phone number from my system as I was taking a year-long backpacking expedition across Europe. Haven't heard from them since.

 

[EM_PS]

so how was Europe?

I got called once by a recruiter. . . was working environmental back then, & he wanted me to consider this opportunity on the east side of the State (Detroit). Wasn't interested in pulling up stakes & told him so. After the call, i ran up to tell the receptionist that the call she forwarded to me was a head-hunter, and to get more specifics on calls like that, so we can better screen that sh!t. My boss happened to hear of my conversation & gave me huge kudos, and it showed up come that review time. I guess the HH did me a solid for that. . . .

 

[squishles10]

Maybe it's because i just rolled out of bed, or maybe its my personality in general, or maybe I have a legit reason to be pissed but this is not okay in my mind. If I find her, I will give her a piece of my mind, and it's reasons like this that I operate like I do.

"I tried calling you this morning, but I can't be sure the number I found for you is correct. (fill in number here)" Oh really. That's my landline that doesn't have a phone plugged into it and the only way you can find it is to whitepages.com me. If I wanted you to have my number, it would be listed on my resume. It's not, so yahoos like you don't call me all day.

 

[Guest]

Maybe it's because i just rolled out of bed, or maybe its my personality in general, or maybe I have a legit reason to be pissed but this is not okay in my mind. If I find her, I will give her a piece of my mind, and it's reasons like this that I operate like I do.

Hey .. I like the way you roll!! You are the boss in my book! :thumbs: :burgerking:

JR

 

[wilheldp_PE]

This thread got me to thinking about something. Why is it considered professional courtesy to give 2 weeks notice to an employer before leaving, but when you get fired/laid off, they boot your ass out the door immediately?

 

[Dark Knight]

This thread got me to thinking about something. Why is it considered professional courtesy to give 2 weeks notice to an employer before leaving, but when you get fired/laid off, they boot your ass out the door immediately?

Perks of being the Boss?????

 

[Casey]

This thread got me to thinking about something. Why is it considered professional courtesy to give 2 weeks notice to an employer before leaving, but when you get fired/laid off, they boot your ass out the door immediately?

But if they fire you, aren't they legislated to pay you for a minimum of 2 weeks anyways?

I believe that is how it works up here in the Great White North...

 

[wilheldp_PE]

But if they fire you, aren't they legislated to pay you for a minimum of 2 weeks anyways?
I believe that is how it works up here in the Great White North...

Most people are "at-will" employees, which means that the company isn't required to pay them anything for severence. Sometimes they do, probably in lieu of the 2 weeks notice, but I have been laid off with no compensation before.

 

[IlPadrino]

This thread got me to thinking about something. Why is it considered professional courtesy to give 2 weeks notice to an employer before leaving, but when you get fired/laid off, they boot your ass out the door immediately?

Because you want to depart on good terms by not leaving your ex-employer too much in the lurch. On the other side, once you know you're getting fired/laid off, there's huge potential for you to be out for vengeance.

 

[Slugger926]

Because you want to depart on good terms by not leaving your ex-employer too much in the lurch. On the other side, once you know you're getting fired/laid off, there's huge potential for you to be out for vengeance.

In really bad situations, it may be best to leave with no notice for legal protection. I have been in that sistuation once, and followed another engineer so I was't hurting. They would pull all kinds of legal stuff to screw up job offers, or people leaving. I have been at the same job for 12 years since.

On the flip side, Worldcom would excort anyone out immediatly when they gave their two weeks. They figured they wouldn't get any work out of anyone leaving, so they escorted them out in their own greed. Ethically, I wouldn't hire any of the managers that pulled that stuff.

 

[IlPadrino]

On the flip side, Worldcom would excort anyone out immediatly when they gave their two weeks. They figured they wouldn't get any work out of anyone leaving, so they escorted them out in their own greed. Ethically, I wouldn't hire any of the managers that pulled that stuff.

So long as they paid them the last two weeks, this seems like a win-win. But I agree it doesn't do much to make people feel good about giving two weeks notice.

 

[engineergurl]

I gave like a month and a half verbal notice and then a letter a few weeks ahead of time...but there weren't any bad terms involved.

 

[chaosiscash]

On the flip side, Worldcom would excort anyone out immediatly when they gave their two weeks.

Milliken (textiles) is the same way. But around there it was a known fact, so people just stopped giving a notice. HR's desk was always the closest to the door, so on a person's last day they would pack up a box, shake everyone's hand on the way out, and drop off their badge and pager with HR and head out the door.

The story goes that for Milliken its a holdover from the old days when textiles was king in the south. Back then, when somebody left, it was usually to go to work for another textile company. So as soon as they heard you were leaving, they'd escort you out so you wouldn't have time to "steal" any more business sensitive data than you already had. Always seemed kinda dumb to me, b/c if a person was going to do that they would plan ahead anyway.

 

[squishles10]

The more I have thought about it the more I am not sure I am not getting that last two weeks anyway. I might have just assumed I wasn't if they were firing me. Free beer to anyone that can decipher that first sentence first time through!

In other news- I'm looking for pay scales for civilian jobs for the DoD- I know I've seen them before but all I can find are military ones right now. i.e. I want to know if the drive for this opportunity is worth it. Link please?

 

[BluSkyy]

how can anyone decipher "that first sentence" if we can't read it?