EB Mafia

[steel]

Wow how exciting!!! I honestly did not pick up that you were Cassandra @jean15paul_PE hahahaha!
But sounds like others figured it out!!! After Nole’s “postmortem” comment saying he wasn’t Cassandra, I started going through trying to think who else it could be, but gave up. Hence why that comment CAN change gameplay….even though I personally was too dumb to figure out who was Cassandra after.
Great game!

I'll say this once, and hopefully it doesn't piss off a certain someone (not talking about you, @BlueBlueprintPE lol) since the game is over.

I never said I wasn't the Cassandra. I only said that I never ANNOUNCED myself as the cassandra, and only because I was accused of making such an announcement.

I said Bly was townie. It was my opinion. I bolded it to hide the real cassandra. I was wrong.

But the bottom line is that game or not, I don't take kindly to accusations of someone saying I said something I never actually said.

I will not be replying to further messages, comments, or threads regarding this, but I wanted to make it clear that I never once said I was or was not a special role, only that i never ANNOUNCED such a thing when alive.

Good game all!

 

[RBHeadge PE]

I am... (was I guess, since the game is over)... the Cassandra!

I don't think anyone caught any of them.

dammit, I thought you figured out that I knew it too. bolded emphasis is [present] mine in all quotes below.

Luck. Lots of luck.

1. RNG selects four players. One who gets a lot of votes on day 1 as a meme, and three others.
2. Only two people cast a vote on day 1. A meme vote for square and another a random vote for someone else. RNG lynches the the mafia.
3. Of the three remaining mafia, at least two are too busy the first day/night to cast a nightkill vote. Could be all three mafia players if @BlueBlueprintPE is allowing a simple majority of mafia votes to effect the nightkill. No nightkill happens as a result.
4. No nightkill happens and I note the three players who haven't logged on since the afternoon of the day before.
5. Thread votes in force and three-way tie ensues between those aforementioned players. RNG has (at least) 2/3 chance of picking a mafia. It does.
6. A little deductive reasoning identifies another mafia. This is not luck related.
7. Cassandra is activated on day 1, but it's not clear yet if that has made a casual difference in the game yet.

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@MeowMeow PE
Please hold off on your investigation tomorrow until the thread has had a chance to discuss who it wants to investigate.

@ Everyone: what does your gut tell you?

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I don't really have a reason to suspect one of the unknown players over the others. But (1) following @RBHeadge PE 's lead is never a bad idea and (2) self preservation.

I thought we had a connection?


I saw that many of your visions overlapped with the cop investigations. So I wanted you to announce your dream to the thread before we picked the last investigation. I didn't want to waste anything. And with the cop/doc already id'd your vision couldn't do any damage but could certainly help, and it did.

Since the doc would be the obvious target I figured I could get at least one more vision before my reveal. My final vision was that @EyehatethePEexam PE was a townie. On that same day, game theory put Eye into the trusted category so again, no benefit to reveal that.

lol, that wasn't game theory. I knew your "gut" feeling was real, so when I saw it I moved him into the townie category on my own sheet. I used the flimsiest excuse to declare him clean. A justification so devoid of substance that people started to see the flaws in the logic.

Given the latest observations, I think we can safely move eyehate into the townie+++ category.

There are several factors at play that make me strongly believe eye is a townie.

^which of course was your cassandra vision. I was trying to keep your secret, hence the handwaving.

which meant the only intel I had was that @Dothracki PE was a townie, and he was already trusted.

Mostly trusted based on voting record. Your declaration made it official.

Confirmed townies: @RBHeadge PE, @MeowMeow PE, @Spitfire6532 , @vhab49_PE, @eng_girl95,

close to confirmed townie: @EyehatethePEexam PE

uncertainty: @Dothracki PE, @DLD PE, @blybrook PE, @jean15paul_PE, @ChebyshevII PE

So long as the town doesn't do something stupid, mate in <=4

BTW, I'm defining stupid as voting for: rbh, meow, spit, vhab, eg95, eyehate, or doth

@Spitfire6532 I recommend you vote for someone else.

I erred in the first post by not moving @Dothracki PE in the "close to confirmed townie" category like I did with @EyehatethePEexam PE . I fixed it a few minutes later by making it clear that voting for the aforementioned players was an act of stupidity.

I knew it! I was honestly debating switching my vote to you thinking that you were a mafia aligned Cassandra. Glad I stuck with my guns.

I had the same thought too. There were some other factors that made me think that he was town aligned. Hence:

That leaves EG95, jean, and cheb as reasonable investigative targets.

I mostly wanted to get @jean15paul_PE alignment, largely to clear him. I had to throw in some packing peanuts so it didn't look to the mafia that I had a special interest in @jean15paul_PE . Clearing one of cheb or EG would have worked fine too as a means of locking in a town win.

literally already said I’m regular townie and it’ll come back that way. What a waste of a valuable investigation

Sometimes, such as now, there is more benefit from reducing uncertainty and clearing someone than there is from blindly trying to find the last mafia.

So long as the town doesn't do something stupid, mate in <=4

By POE it was down to @blybrook PE and @DLD PE . Numbers favored @blybrook PE . People jumped on @jean15paul_PE quickly so I decided to vote earlier in the day to try to turn the tide. It's not like I could overtly explain my reasoning - that I wanted to get at least one more vision out of the cassandra.

 

[Tiger15]

dammit, I thought you figured out that I knew it too. bolded emphasis is [present] mine in all quotes below.











I thought we had a connection?


I saw that many of your visions overlapped with the cop investigations. So I wanted you to announce your dream to the thread before we picked the last investigation. I didn't want to waste anything. And with the cop/doc already id'd your vision couldn't do any damage but could certainly help, and it did.

lol, that wasn't game theory. I knew your "gut" feeling was real, so when I saw it I moved him into the townie category on my own sheet. I used the flimsiest excuse to declare him clean. A justification so devoid of substance that people started to see the flaws in the logic.




^which of course was your cassandra vision. I was trying to keep your secret, hence the handwaving.

Mostly trusted based on voting record. Your declaration made it official.



I erred in the first post by not moving @Dothracki PE in the "close to confirmed townie" category like I did with @EyehatethePEexam PE . I fixed it a few minutes later by making it clear that voting for the aforementioned players was an act of stupidity.



I had the same thought too. There were some other factors that made me think that he was town aligned. Hence:

I mostly wanted to get @jean15paul_PE alignment, largely to clear him. I had to throw in some packing peanuts so it didn't look to the mafia that I had a special interest in @jean15paul_PE . Clearing one of cheb or EG would have worked fine too as a means of locking in a town win.





By POE it was down to @blybrook PE and @DLD PE . Numbers favored @blybrook PE . People jumped on @jean15paul_PE quickly so I decided to vote earlier in the day to try to turn the tide. It's not like I could overtly explain my reasoning - that I wanted to get at least one more vision out of the cassandra.

As per usual, @RBHeadge PE wins big brain award.

 

[MeowMeow PE]

I wouldn’t call what Jenn said an accusation. Sometimes people make incorrect assumptions or read things incorrectly and end up relaying that out loud. And that is ok and is not a big deal, especially when they aren’t being cruel or rude about it.
But now I’m done discussing it.

 

[Tiger15]

I honestly thought @steelnole15 was the cop after his post about @blybrook PE since I knew I was the Cassandra.
When my vision revealed @MeowMeow PE as the cop, I seriously assumed that @BlueBlueprintPE had a typo in the vision.

 

[Tiger15]

I mostly wanted to get @jean15paul_PE alignment, largely to clear him.

I asked the mod about this when yall were trying to decide who to investigate. @BlueBlueprintPE said that I'd show up as "not a regular townie." That would have confused things.

 

[txjennah PE]

Good lord.

Sometimes people make assumptions based on other people's assumptions.

That is part of the game.

I...don't...think I have to explain myself more here?

 

[txjennah PE]

@jean15paul_PE wins for the most masterful Cassandra performance yet. I had no idea! And of course @RBHeadge PE would pick up on it, way to go!

 

[RBHeadge PE]

Wow how exciting!!! I honestly did not pick up that you were Cassandra @jean15paul_PE hahahaha!
But sounds like others figured it out!!!

Yep.

I knew it had to be nole or jean at the end of the second day. When jean kept making comments on day 3 I knew it was him. I was quite happy to keep up the illusion that nole was the cassandra. It meant that the mafia wouldn't be specifically gunning for the cassandra, and I could tweak my reads in a certain way to give cover to the cassandra cleared players.

After Nole’s “postmortem” comment saying he wasn’t Cassandra, I started going through trying to think who else it could be, but gave up. Hence why that comment CAN change gameplay…

Yeah, which is why I wanted him to quickly and quietly edit his post. It was game effecting and against the rules. I couldn't PM him per the rules of the round either. I thought a subtle comment would be enough, but that only lead to heel digging and giving it more attention.

The net effect was that most players knew the cassandra was alive and would start looking for them and their hints. Including the mafia. It was a perceived advantage to the town. In the end it didn't matter as the game was already all-but-won. @BlueBlueprintPE and I did PM about it and there was some discussion about nullifying the round.

Prior to the announcement, there was a very narrow path for mafia victory. I won't explain it in detail here, but if the last mafia had already known that the cassandra was alive, with a lot of luck there were a few steps they could have made to try to get a victory. It would have been very tough but doable. I had already mapped that path when "fishboning" the cop/doc reveal that morning. With nole's annoucnement, that path was closed off. Mathematically it was near impossible for the mafia to win so long as the town avoided doing anything above and beyond the call of stupidity.

 

[RBHeadge PE]

I asked the mod about this when yall were trying to decide who to investigate. @BlueBlueprintPE said that I'd show up as "not a regular townie." That would have confused things.

oh shit! that would've been bad. I would've vote you off immediately.

In my round, I stated in the pms that a cop investigation of the cassandra reveal "regular townie" if they are vanilla town, or "not regular townie" if they were mafia or doctor. But each mod can run it their own way, so it's nbd.

 

[MadamPirate PE]

GG everyone!

Sorry I had to duck out early, things blew up badly at work. Looks like things are smoothing out for me. I'm willing to mod the game after the next game. I'd mod starting next week, but if the game slides into the following week, I'm travelling for work and I don't want to take that chance.

 

[RBHeadge PE]

....and I just got assigned a bunch of urgent stuff at work. I'll probably be offline for awhile.

 

[MeowMeow PE]

Thanks so much for modding again @BlueBlueprintPE !!! It was so fun!

 

[DLD PE]

dammit, I thought you figured out that I knew it too. bolded emphasis is [present] mine in all quotes below.











I thought we had a connection?


I saw that many of your visions overlapped with the cop investigations. So I wanted you to announce your dream to the thread before we picked the last investigation. I didn't want to waste anything. And with the cop/doc already id'd your vision couldn't do any damage but could certainly help, and it did.

lol, that wasn't game theory. I knew your "gut" feeling was real, so when I saw it I moved him into the townie category on my own sheet. I used the flimsiest excuse to declare him clean. A justification so devoid of substance that people started to see the flaws in the logic.




^which of course was your cassandra vision. I was trying to keep your secret, hence the handwaving.

Mostly trusted based on voting record. Your declaration made it official.



I erred in the first post by not moving @Dothracki PE in the "close to confirmed townie" category like I did with @EyehatethePEexam PE . I fixed it a few minutes later by making it clear that voting for the aforementioned players was an act of stupidity.



I had the same thought too. There were some other factors that made me think that he was town aligned. Hence:

I mostly wanted to get @jean15paul_PE alignment, largely to clear him. I had to throw in some packing peanuts so it didn't look to the mafia that I had a special interest in @jean15paul_PE . Clearing one of cheb or EG would have worked fine too as a means of locking in a town win.





By POE it was down to @blybrook PE and @DLD PE . Numbers favored @blybrook PE . People jumped on @jean15paul_PE quickly so I decided to vote earlier in the day to try to turn the tide. It's not like I could overtly explain my reasoning - that I wanted to get at least one more vision out of the cassandra.

Dang I really missed the whole @jean15paul_PE being Cassandra clues! Because of @steelnole15 's statement in bold earlier, I took that to mean he was "announcing" himself (indirectly) as the Cassandra without trying to be obvious (even that was obvious, so I should have known he wouldn't have done it that way but oh well). Anyway, I had it in my mind he was the Cassandra and for me it was a coin flip between whom to vote for on the final day (JP or Bly) so I chose JP.

 

[Eye Hate Landscaping PE]

Great game! Thanks for modding, @BlueBlueprintPE. Someday I'd like to have enough time to really dive into the analysis, there's definitely a level of fun/challenge I'm missing out on. As the parenting duties get easier with age the job adds more responsibilities- so pencil me in for July of 2043 when I can potentially start thinking about retirement.

 

[Eye Hate Landscaping PE]

....and I just got assigned a bunch of urgent stuff at work. I'll probably be offline for awhile.

Yeah...when the news notification hit my phone last night one of my first reactions was "RB's gonna be gone for a while"

 

[DLD PE]

Yep.

I knew it had to be nole or jean at the end of the second day. When jean kept making comments on day 3 I knew it was him. I was quite happy to keep up the illusion that nole was the cassandra. It meant that the mafia wouldn't be specifically gunning for the cassandra, and I could tweak my reads in a certain way to give cover to the cassandra cleared players.


Yeah, which is why I wanted him to quickly and quietly edit his post. It was game effecting and against the rules. I couldn't PM him per the rules of the round either. I thought a subtle comment would be enough, but that only lead to heel digging and giving it more attention.

The net effect was that most players knew the cassandra was alive and would start looking for them and their hints. Including the mafia. It was a perceived advantage to the town. In the end it didn't matter as the game was already all-but-won. @BlueBlueprintPE and I did PM about it and there was some discussion about nullifying the round.

Prior to the announcement, there was a very narrow path for mafia victory. I won't explain it in detail here, but if the last mafia had already known that the cassandra was alive, with a lot of luck there were a few steps they could have made to try to get a victory. It would have been very tough but doable. I had already mapped that path when "fishboning" the cop/doc reveal that morning. With nole's annoucnement, that path was closed off. Mathematically it was near impossible for the mafia to win so long as the town avoided doing anything above and beyond the call of stupidity.

I just can't.....

This game was complicated enough for me when I was studying, but even now with the PE out of way, I couldn't think through all of the above AND have enough brain left to do my job. Kudos to all you guys who can figure this stuff out. I never picked up on JP being Cassandra lol. I feel like an idiot for voting for him now. Ha ha!

Hey, glad to know I'm still suspect even through the last day

I really enjoy the Cassandra role and and the non-PM round. With 17 players, without the luck we had this could have turned into a 2-week long round easily. We should try this again with the same rules and roles.

I'm in for next round. Next week looks not so hectic, so if you need a mod, I can mod. It would probably be like @BlueBlueprintPE 's with not much writing/narrative and it would help to have a co-mod.

 

[DLD PE]

....and I just got assigned a bunch of urgent stuff at work. I'll probably be offline for awhile.

Best of luck dealing with all this mess. Check back in when you can!

 

[BlueBlueprintPE PMP]

Yeah...when the news notification hit my phone last night one of my first reactions was "RB's gonna be gone for a while"

me too! good luck @RBHeadge PE

 

[steel]

Yeah, which is why I wanted him to quickly and quietly edit his post. It was game effecting and against the rules. I couldn't PM him per the rules of the round either. I thought a subtle comment would be enough, but that only lead to heel digging and giving it more attention.

I am sorry if I did break a rule. I didn't think that correcting an assertion of something that wasn't actually said was wrong, but I'll be more mindful in the future.
Now, if the accusation was that I did not say something when I actually did, yeah, I'd stay silent on that all day long lol

Regardless, fun game to watch and observe even after I was done for lol