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I get my 2nd dose in 3 days. Several of my colleagues who gave already gotten the 2nd dose had much more pronounced symptoms that with the first. Fevers, headaches, chills, body aches, nausea. Supposed to be a good sign that the vaccine is very effective, but I'm not really looking forward to that now... and clearing my schedule the following day in case it wipes me out.
This is what I've heard as well.  We received guidance that the second dose will most likely have more pronounced affects and that we're allowed to have two days off following the second dose, if we don't feel well/go home the day of the shot.  I super hope I don't have pronounced symptoms since I actually have a ton of shit to get done and being out for a day destroys everything.

 

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I dont know, everyone I know that has had the vaccine have had those feelings.
The 2nd dose kicked the wifes ass for sure!
 

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Yeah I don't think that's true, at least not according to the knowledgeable folks I have been working with lately.

I got my second dose yesterday. I actually feel better than I did after the first dose, with only a little arm pain. First dose had more pronounced arm pain and a little fatigue, for me. Data from the phase 3 trials shows that only about 25% of people have side effects like fever, body aches. Arm soreness for almost everyone. But I did a straw poll among people I know who got their second doses and it was right around the 25% number for fever. I thought it was higher based on my Facebook feed, but that's because the only people posting were the ones who had side effects (aka selection bias!)
 

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Yeah I don't think that's true, at least not according to the knowledgeable folks I have been working with lately.

I got my second dose yesterday. I actually feel better than I did after the first dose, with only a little arm pain. First dose had more pronounced arm pain and a little fatigue, for me. Data from the phase 3 trials shows that only about 25% of people have side effects like fever, body aches. Arm soreness for almost everyone. But I did a straw poll among people I know who got their second doses and it was right around the 25% number for fever. I thought it was higher based on my Facebook feed, but that's because the only people posting were the ones who had side effects (aka selection bias!)
Can I ask which dose you got, Pfizer or Moderna? A lot of the stuff I'm hearing about Moderna (the one I'm taking/will get the second dose) say that the first dose isn't that bad, and it really wasn't for me. Like, my arms were sore, I had bench pressed heavily the day before my dose like an idiot, but I didn't really feel any pronounced soreness in that area.
 

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I got the Pfizer vaccine. And I spoke too soon. I developed (mild) body aches last night, over 24 hours after the shot. A couple other people I know also developed side effects yesterday evening. One person I know claimed she felt fine, but as I watched she checked her temperature and it was 101, she just didn't feel it. But now I feel fine again, aside from lingering pain at the injection site.

And the two should really be the same - Pfizer and Moderna - because they use the same mechanism.
 

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yeah my cohabitant got hers at the end of a 13 hour work day, then got up at 6:30 am and went to crossfit (which was probably a mistake) and then spent from lunch that day until the next on the sofa under electirc blankets regretting all 3 decisions and felt bad for a good 2 days

she is reciving offers to go to LA for crazy money but I told her likely no one from California would ever offer to help her so take a hard pass
 

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Really? This makes me mad. I'm traveling to work everyday, exposing myself to thousands of people, and we are going to prioritize smokers to get the vaccine? Smoking is not a medical defect, it's their own choice that they smoke.

 

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Really? This makes me mad. I'm traveling to work everyday, exposing myself to thousands of people, and we are going to prioritize smokers to get the vaccine? Smoking is not a medical defect, it's their own choice that they smoke.

Yes and no. I've heard of research has shown that there's often a physiological component to addiction. Basically some people are more prone to addiction because they are born with differences in their brains.

Now I don't say that to remove any component of personal accountability and that's definitely not true in all cases. Just pointing out that it's more complicated than it appears.

Also if we want "herd immunity" than we need as many people vaccinated as possible.
 

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And don't forget that this early in the process, one of the major goals is to reduce the number of people taking up hospital beds (and I don't actually know if smokers are more likely to be hospitalized, but that's probably the case at least for long time smokers).

Every smoker vaccinated means one potential hospital bed freed up for heart attacks, accidents, strokes etc.
 

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And don't forget that this early in the process, one of the major goals is to reduce the number of people taking up hospital beds (and I don't actually know if smokers are more likely to be hospitalized, but that's probably the case at least for long time smokers).

Every smoker vaccinated means one potential hospital bed freed up for heart attacks, accidents, strokes etc.
That makes sense if you think of it that way that the priority is really still healthcare in that we want to protect healthcare workers and reduce the amount of people in the hospital.
 

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That makes sense if you think of it that way that the priority is really still healthcare in that we want to protect healthcare workers and reduce the amount of people in the hospital.
I'm surprised teachers aren't on the list, with all the dissent toward Virtual Learning and the "Kids need to be back in school" talk. I know some schools are still doing in-person learning. To me, the teachers should be a priority...they spend all day in a classroom of say 15 students (adjusted for social distancing) a few days a week, yet other gatherings are limited to X number of people. I'd think the classroom would be considered a risk? I can't keep up with the "COVID logic" any more. It seems so made up and contradictory....
 

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There is actually logic behind the vaccination priorities, at least at the federal level and most states that I am familiar with. The goals as I mentioned at this early point is to take the pressure off the health care workers, first by vaccinating them and then by vaccinating the people most likely to end up taking up hospital beds.

The illogic comes into play with teaching, restaurants, and other activities that public and political pressure comes to bear on. From a pure public health perspective, school shouldn't be in session during a time of high transmission of disease. Restaurants and bars are about the highest risks for transmission (indoors, poor ventilation, people laughing and talking). But state and local politicians are under intense pressure to open them up so they push the public health people to do so and you end up with contradictions and situations that don't make much sense.
 

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From what I've read the data shows that some things that were expected to be places of high transmission turned out to be very low. Gyms and school between 4th and 12th grade have much lower transmission rates than were expected.

Epidemiologists and infectious disease experts will be studying this outbreak for decades!
 

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We are in person learning 5 days a week. The majority of the school cases reports are at the middle and high schools. There have only been a handful in 3rd-5th grades. No students in the pre-k to 2nd, just a couple staff early on. quarantines however are happening like crazy. The kids has a fever and all the kids in the family are sent home to quarantine for 14 days unless you get a dr to sign off that it is not covid related.
 

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So. Random side affect today: Exactly two weeks after getting my first round shot, that area got super super itchy and welted up for a solid half hour and then went away. Office co-worker said the same thing happened to him (8 days later). Sus.
 

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So. Random side affect today: Exactly two weeks after getting my first round shot, that area got super super itchy and welted up for a solid half hour and then went away. Office co-worker said the same thing happened to him (8 days later). Sus.
That's what happens when Bill Gates activates your microchip.
 

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I didn't have that side effect. I am now at +8 days from my second vaccination, so in theory I am now 95% immune (that's probably not correct - the epidemiological way to state it is likely "I now have a 95% chance of not developing symptomatic COVID-19 if I get exposed")

However, for the last week I have felt pretty wiped out. I've crapped out early on runs and walking. Felt generally tired. I feel like that is going away now, though. I suppose that this new technology makes the immune response much stronger, so that is expected? And that because of the strong immune response, maybe this is why the mRNA vaccines are 95% effective vs. 50% for the traditional method used by China in their Sinovac?
 

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So. Random side affect today: Exactly two weeks after getting my first round shot, that area got super super itchy and welted up for a solid half hour and then went away. Office co-worker said the same thing happened to him (8 days later). Sus.
Probably a lot of people around you were using 5G
 

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