Sometimes you just need to scream!!!

[EM_PS]

RW unfortunately your story ended on an inevitable note. those *********s were gonna throw their assorted wrappers / trash there anyways, whether they'd seen you out there picking up garbage or not - they did, and at your expense, got to have a chuckle out of it.

 

[Dexman PE]

Completely unrelated rant... I am getting ready for an interview tomorrow where they asked me to fill out a hard copy of their application (I submitted an electronic version which I guess doesn't print correctly so they want everyone to fill out a hard copy, no big deal). As I'm going through it, I come across a line that both confuses and angers me. It says (not an exact quote):

We are an equal opportunity/affirmitive action employer. We will not discriminate against any applicant on the basis of race, religion, gender, etc...

The part that is confusing is the EO / AA part. you're either equal opportunity OR affirmitive action. You can't be both. An equal opportunity is not truly equal if there are racial & gender considerations under the affirmitive action clause (they also have military veteran considerations). Being a white male may not "count against" me per se, but giving additional points to minorities is basically the same thing.

The part that angers me is affirmative action. I think it is absolutely the worst thing for any current employer (private or government) to use as the basis for hiring. I understand the thought process behind the creation of it (to eliminate discrimination), but giving points to minorities is basically creating discrimination against white males.

The job I'm applying for is a great opportunity (better pay, better position, the work is what I want to do, etc), but part of me is really fired up over the EO/AA part of the application. I would be hired into a manager's position where I may be responsible for contributing to the hiring/firing of other employees. I really don't feel comfortable working in that scenario knowing my hands would be tied so that I may not be able to hire the best overall candidate, but instead hire the best minority.

I'm not saying minorities (and I do include women in this category for the engineering industry) are worse engineers. Some of the best engineers I know are minorities (50% of the engineers in my office are women).

[/rant]

 

[roadwreck]

Sadly, in a few years, your tax dollars will be paying for their doritos, their kids doritos, their healthcare, their cell phones, and their unemployment checks at a minimum.

It additionally pisses me off that these asshats are under the delusional that someone, somewhere is paid to pick up trash along that stretch of road. No one is coming out to pick up trash along there. The only way the trash disappears is if individuals like myself go out there and get rid of it. I guess they figure their my tax dollars must go somewhere.

I wish I could say they were the only ones that seemed to be under that impression. Several people walked by me while I was out there. The only one other person spoke to me (or acknowledged my presence) and she made the remark "I hope you are being paid for that". Sigh.

 

[frazil]

The job I'm applying for is a great opportunity (better pay, better position, the work is what I want to do, etc), but part of me is really fired up over the EO/AA part of the application. I would be hired into a manager's position where I may be responsible for contributing to the hiring/firing of other employees. I really don't feel comfortable working in that scenario knowing my hands would be tied so that I may not be able to hire the best overall candidate, but instead hire the best minority.[/rant]

The way I understand affirmative action is that given 2 equal candidates you hire the minority, who historically has not had the same opportunities as a white male. There should be no reason why you can't high the overall best candidate.

 

[Supe]

The job I'm applying for is a great opportunity (better pay, better position, the work is what I want to do, etc), but part of me is really fired up over the EO/AA part of the application. I would be hired into a manager's position where I may be responsible for contributing to the hiring/firing of other employees. I really don't feel comfortable working in that scenario knowing my hands would be tied so that I may not be able to hire the best overall candidate, but instead hire the best minority.[/rant]

The way I understand affirmative action is that given 2 equal candidates you hire the minority, who historically has not had the same opportunities as a white male. There should be no reason why you can't high the overall best candidate.

Right. Until the majority is given the job, and a civil rights attorney takes you to court to convince a jury that they were in fact equals, rather than an inferior candidate, and that you're a racist.

 

[TouchDown]

With the baby sleep problems, sounds like a lot of good advice to "wean" them off of the multiple times a night just needing comfort. We do pretty well with Cooper - but there are times every so often when he's up occasionally...

being sick

cutting teeth

outgrowing a size of diaper and leaking out middle of the night

If there is a REAL REASON they are getting up, bigger diaper size for night time, and pre-medicating with motrin works if we know they are having trouble teething / etc.

RW - it's hard doing the right thing sometimes, but at least you were the mature one in the trash pickup problem. At some point in their lives you hope that they'll regret their actions (can come with age), but it's a perfect breeding ground for ********. Some people just don't grow up or see the need to be part of a community. Thanks for being a good guy looking out for your community, when it seems like few in your neighborhood even choose to pick up your area. There was an old gentleman who we'd always see walking all over town picking up trash. He passed away recently and there was a big article in the local paper about him. All our lives were touched by this anonymous man, too sad that many who appreciated his efforts didn't get a chance to thank him before he passed on. I'm sure he saw his share of kids doing stupid stuff, but it didn't stop him. Don't get discouraged.

Frazil - as far as EO/AA - you're right. Our hiring policies are VERY structured and documented to show the thought process used for hiring. Most qualified candidate wins - always. I've never seen a tie, but a tabulated analysis of the interviews is done by HR - and then returned to the interview panel with comment snippets for each interviewee (but by random number), so you are looking at just their ratings by each interview person for everyone on the panel (typically 4-6 people). Once the panel reviews the ratings, a selection is made, and then the panel is told who which applicant won.

 

[Dexman PE]

DAMMIT!!!! New rant...

Since when does "I'll just run to the store to grab a couple things" mean a $100 grocery bill? This over-charge is has the potential of costing me ~$300 in overdraft fees. I have several hundred dollars available in savings, but I can't get that transferred for 2 days. I have no idea what my pin numbers are for any of my credit cards, so I can't hit an ATM. And the store usually takes 2-3 days to process returns (assuming we could return any of it).

Why the **** couldn't she just wait until tomorrow when I get paid to do the "stock up" shopping?

****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!

 

[Capt Worley PE]

The job I'm applying for is a great opportunity (better pay, better position, the work is what I want to do, etc), but part of me is really fired up over the EO/AA part of the application. I would be hired into a manager's position where I may be responsible for contributing to the hiring/firing of other employees. I really don't feel comfortable working in that scenario knowing my hands would be tied so that I may not be able to hire the best overall candidate, but instead hire the best minority.[/rant]

The way I understand affirmative action is that given 2 equal candidates you hire the minority, who historically has not had the same opportunities as a white male. There should be no reason why you can't high the overall best candidate.

Right. Until the majority is given the job, and a civil rights attorney takes you to court to convince a jury that they were in fact equals, rather than an inferior candidate, and that you're a racist.

My dad and the agency he worked for got sued under EOE. If I remeber the story correctly, the judge came up with 34 reasons why the guy who sued shouldn't have been hired. Number one on the list was that the position was for a computer programmer and the guy had no experience whatsoever with computers (this was in the early 90s). The judge was so PO'd he ordered the plainiff to pay for the legal costs of the defendants.

 

[Chucktown PE]

DAMMIT!!!! New rant...
Since when does "I'll just run to the store to grab a couple things" mean a $100 grocery bill? This over-charge is has the potential of costing me ~$300 in overdraft fees. I have several hundred dollars available in savings, but I can't get that transferred for 2 days. I have no idea what my pin numbers are for any of my credit cards, so I can't hit an ATM. And the store usually takes 2-3 days to process returns (assuming we could return any of it).

Why the **** couldn't she just wait until tomorrow when I get paid to do the "stock up" shopping?

****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!

That sounds like a Mrs. Chucktown run if I've ever heard it. Every time she walks in Target I'm out a $100, guranteed.

 

[Dexman PE]

Frazil - as far as EO/AA - you're right. Our hiring policies are VERY structured and documented to show the thought process used for hiring. Most qualified candidate wins - always. I've never seen a tie, but a tabulated analysis of the interviews is done by HR - and then returned to the interview panel with comment snippets for each interviewee (but by random number), so you are looking at just their ratings by each interview person for everyone on the panel (typically 4-6 people). Once the panel reviews the ratings, a selection is made, and then the panel is told who which applicant won.

I have a few friends who work for a similar company to where I am applying and they said that each candidate is rated by multiple people on a set scale (1-5 or 1-10) based on certain criteria (education, experience, skills, etc), but each candidate is each given a "baseline" grade based on AA which is added to their qualification rating (i.e. white males start at 0, minorities start at 5, minority women start at 10, veterans get an additional 3-5 points, etc).

So if this criteria is used, for us to be "equal" I have to be 5 points better than that minority which still gets him the job.

 

[roadwreck]

This over-charge is has the potential of costing me ~$300 in overdraft fees.

$300 in overdraft fees?!??!?! WTF? That seems uber-excessive. What bank charges you that?

 

[Chucktown PE]

And $58.00 sounds ridiculously expensive for a bra. Mrs. Chucktown is well endowed in that department, but there still isn't that much fabric to it. WTF?

 

[Dexman PE]

This over-charge is has the potential of costing me ~$300 in overdraft fees.

$300 in overdraft fees?!??!?! WTF? That seems uber-excessive. What bank charges you that?

At $40 each times 7 charges = $280 (so I over-exaggerated a little).

Our bank processes charges from largest to smallest, so her $100 trip to target is charged first (leaving me $5 in the black), the next biggest charge is $35 (which would be the first "overdraft"), and 6 addtional charges. However, if I can get $50 cash into the bank within the next 2 hours, I will be fine.

 

[roadwreck]

At $40 each times 7 charges = $280 (so I over-exaggerated a little).

Wow, ouch. That would really really hurt. I've never been charged an overdraft fee, but then I don't share a bank account with my wife. Coincidence? :dunno:

 

[Dexman PE]

And $58.00 sounds ridiculously expensive for a bra. Mrs. Chucktown is well endowed in that department, but there still isn't that much fabric to it. WTF?

My wife's last couple of bras cost $120 each.

 

[Capt Worley PE]

This over-charge is has the potential of costing me ~$300 in overdraft fees.

$300 in overdraft fees?!??!?! WTF? That seems uber-excessive. What bank charges you that?

At $40 each times 7 charges = $280 (so I over-exaggerated a little).

Our bank processes charges from largest to smallest, so her $100 trip to target is charged first (leaving me $5 in the black), the next biggest charge is $35 (which would be the first "overdraft"), and 6 addtional charges. However, if I can get $50 cash into the bank within the next 2 hours, I will be fine.

Didn't they just change the banking laws so that they have to process charges in the order recieved to minimize that?

 

[Ble_PE]

And $58.00 sounds ridiculously expensive for a bra. Mrs. Chucktown is well endowed in that department, but there still isn't that much fabric to it. WTF?

My wife's last couple of bras cost $120 each.

Holy Sh!t!!! I don't think my wife has spent that much on bras since I met her total! Of course, she is the frugal one in our family, so I'm lucky there.

 

[snickerd3]

DAMMIT!!!! New rant...
Since when does "I'll just run to the store to grab a couple things" mean a $100 grocery bill? This over-charge is has the potential of costing me ~$300 in overdraft fees. I have several hundred dollars available in savings, but I can't get that transferred for 2 days. I have no idea what my pin numbers are for any of my credit cards, so I can't hit an ATM. And the store usually takes 2-3 days to process returns (assuming we could return any of it).

Why the **** couldn't she just wait until tomorrow when I get paid to do the "stock up" shopping?

****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!****!!!

That sounds like a Mrs. Chucktown run if I've ever heard it. Every time she walks in Target I'm out a $100, guranteed.

i like target too and I have to drive an hour to get to one, but most of the time I just go in to look. If i buy something it is because we either don't have that item at our small town stores or it is much cheaper than at our small town stores.

 

[benbo]

Don't you have overdraft protection?

In the basically impossible case I overdrew my account, my bank will first cover it with my savings, and then with my credit card.

 

[Supe]

$120 bras? Do they come with a rigging crew?