Oct 2021 Pass Rates

[RBHeadge PE]

NCEES updated the pass rates for the last exam session:

Exam	First-time takers		Repeat takers		Format	Availability	Last updated

	Volume	Pass Rate	Volume	Pass Rate
PE Agricultural and Biological Engineering	16	69%	1	100%	P&P	Once per year	Dec 2020
PE Architectural Engineering	64	56%	21	38%	P&P	Once per year	June 2021
PE Chemical	221	57%	75	43%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Civil: Construction	805	53%	715	26%	P&P	Twice per year	June 2021
PE Civil: Geotechnical	488	66%	477	48%	P&P	Twice per year	June 2021
PE Civil: Structural	1447	56%	883	35%	P&P	Twice per year	June 2021
PE Civil: Transportation	1685	70%	1038	51%	P&P	Twice per year	June 2021
PE Civil: Water Resources and Environmental	1850	67%	936	44%	P&P	Twice per year	June 2021
PE Control Systems	193	67%	59	31%	P&P	Once per year	Dec 2020
PE Electrical and Computer: Computer Engineering	34	71%	7	29%	P&P	Twice per year	Dec 2020
PE Electronics, Controls, and Communications	152	62%	32	22%	P&P	Twice per year	Dec 2020
PE Electrical and Computer: Power	1548	62%	213	50%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Environmental	410	72%	88	41%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Fire Protection	74	88%	3	0%	CBT	Once per year	July 2021
PE Industrial and Systems	24	67%	1	100%	CBT	Once per year	July 2021
PE Mechanical: HVAC and Refrigeration	663	70%	88	56%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Mechanical: Machine Design and Materials	391	69%	61	59%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Mechanical: Thermal and Fluid Systems	490	67%	80	60%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Metallurgical and Materials	48	69%	11	27%	P&P	Once per year	Dec 2020
PE Mining and Mineral Processing	40	65%	14	14%	P&P	Once per year	Dec 2020
PE Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering	26	62%	12	33%	P&P	Once per year	June 2021
PE Nuclear	12	58%	5	40%	CBT	Once per year	Jan 2021
PE Petroleum	106	63%	27	37%	CBT	Once per year	Jan 2021

Numbers look a little lower than normal but generally in line with past sessions.

 

[steel]

These are from the April exams. NCEES told me the pass rates for the October exams will be posted later this week.

 

[RBHeadge PE]

I'll fix it later this week

 

[steel]

I'd say leave this on there and just add the updated one. It'd be nice to compare the rates.

 

[MambaMentality24]

24% pass rate for lateral building!? what is going on!?

 

[MambaMentality24]

just realized, sorry wrong thread.

 

[steel]

UPDATED FALL 2021 PASS RATES

Exam	First-time takers		Repeat takers		Format	Availability	Last updated

	Volume	Pass Rate	Volume	Pass Rate
PE Agricultural and Biological Engineering	33	82%	0	N/A	CBT	Once per year	Dec 2021
PE Architectural Engineering	64	56%	21	38%	P&P	Once per year	June 2021
PE Chemical	221	57%	75	43%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Civil: Construction	728	53%	719	37%	P&P	Twice per year	Dec 2021
PE Civil: Geotechnical	550	54%	366	30%	P&P	Twice per year	Dec 2021
PE Civil: Structural	1411	62%	908	42%	P&P	Twice per year	Dec 2021
PE Civil: Transportation	1577	63%	1045	41%	P&P	Twice per year	Dec 2021
PE Civil: Water Resources and Environmental	1730	67%	988	44%	P&P	Twice per year	Dec 2021
PE Control Systems	175	67%	49	43%	P&P	Once per year	Dec 2021
PE Electrical and Computer: Computer Engineering	45	49%	0	N/A	CBT	Once per year	Dec 2021
PE Electronics, Controls, and Communications	208	69%	0	N/A	CBT	Once per year	Dec 2021
PE Electrical and Computer: Power	1548	62%	213	50%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Environmental	410	72%	88	41%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Fire Protection	236	82%	22	59%	CBT	Once per year	Dec 2021
PE Industrial and Systems	104	66%	23	35%	CBT	Once per year	Dec 2021
PE Mechanical: HVAC and Refrigeration	663	70%	88	56%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Mechanical: Machine Design and Materials	391	69%	61	59%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Mechanical: Thermal and Fluid Systems	490	67%	80	60%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Metallurgical and Materials	56	82%	12	25%	P&P	Once per year	Dec 2021
PE Mining and Mineral Processing	65	51%	0	N/A	CBT	Once per year	Dec 2021
PE Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering	26	62%	12	33%	P&P	Once per year	June 2021
PE Nuclear	17	53%	2	50%	CBT	Once per year	Dec 2021
PE Petroleum	86	56%	30	27%	CBT	Once per year	Dec 2021

 

[steel]

Geotech and Transpo took nose dives. 62% for civil: structural?!?!?

 

[steel]

Some highlights between the June update and this December update:

Agricultural had double the first-time takers and saw a pass rate increase of 13%.

Civil: Geotechnical took a 12% and 18% nosedive for first-time and repeat takers, respectively. Was the depth significantly harder this time? I took Structural so I can only speak for the morning session "Which I thought was about on par compared to the April 2021 exam.

Electrical and Computer: Computer went from 34 to 45 first-time takers, but saw a 22% nose dive in the pass rate.

Mettalurgical went up 13%, while Mining dropped by 14%. Significantly more takers for the latter.

 

[Hamilton_PE]

Geotech and Transpo took nose dives. 62% for civil: structural?!?!?

Repeat pass rate also saw a drastic increase for Civil Structural

 

[Spitfire6532]

Numbers seem quite high for Civil: Structural. It was my first time taking it so I can't speak to the difficulty as compared to other offerings. @structurenole15 did the depth seem comparable to April as well?

 

[Pra4surf1]

NCEES updated the pass rates for the last exam session:

Exam	First-time takers		Repeat takers		Format	Availability	Last updated

	Volume	Pass Rate	Volume	Pass Rate
PE Agricultural and Biological Engineering	16	69%	1	100%	P&P	Once per year	Dec 2020
PE Architectural Engineering	64	56%	21	38%	P&P	Once per year	June 2021
PE Chemical	221	57%	75	43%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Civil: Construction	805	53%	715	26%	P&P	Twice per year	June 2021
PE Civil: Geotechnical	488	66%	477	48%	P&P	Twice per year	June 2021
PE Civil: Structural	1447	56%	883	35%	P&P	Twice per year	June 2021
PE Civil: Transportation	1685	70%	1038	51%	P&P	Twice per year	June 2021
PE Civil: Water Resources and Environmental	1850	67%	936	44%	P&P	Twice per year	June 2021
PE Control Systems	193	67%	59	31%	P&P	Once per year	Dec 2020
PE Electrical and Computer: Computer Engineering	34	71%	7	29%	P&P	Twice per year	Dec 2020
PE Electronics, Controls, and Communications	152	62%	32	22%	P&P	Twice per year	Dec 2020
PE Electrical and Computer: Power	1548	62%	213	50%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Environmental	410	72%	88	41%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Fire Protection	74	88%	3	0%	CBT	Once per year	July 2021
PE Industrial and Systems	24	67%	1	100%	CBT	Once per year	July 2021
PE Mechanical: HVAC and Refrigeration	663	70%	88	56%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Mechanical: Machine Design and Materials	391	69%	61	59%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Mechanical: Thermal and Fluid Systems	490	67%	80	60%	CBT	Year round	July 2021
PE Metallurgical and Materials	48	69%	11	27%	P&P	Once per year	Dec 2020
PE Mining and Mineral Processing	40	65%	14	14%	P&P	Once per year	Dec 2020
PE Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering	26	62%	12	33%	P&P	Once per year	June 2021
PE Nuclear	12	58%	5	40%	CBT	Once per year	Jan 2021
PE Petroleum	106	63%	27	37%	CBT	Once per year	Jan 2021

Numbers look a little lower than normal but generally in line with past sessions.

No bones this round they got to make some money off the new CBT format

 

[steel]

Numbers seem quite high for Civil: Structural. It was my first time taking it so I can't speak to the difficulty as compared to other offerings. @structurenole15 did the depth seem comparable to April as well?

To me, it seemed like a more difficult exam compared to April. I also thought I passed and didn't so take that info however you want lol

 

[Tiger15]

just realized, sorry wrong thread.

No problem. On topic for this thread.

 

[steel]

The overall pass rate for Civil: Structural in April 2021 was 48%.
For October 2021, it jumps to 54%.

More repeat takers and less first time takers between the two. Makes sense. Those that took it before (like me) wanted to get it over with before CBT. Those that didn't opted to wait for CBT.

 

[Acute Fungi]

I just did the math to see what the overall passing percentage for the other Civil were & here they are...

The overall pass rate for Civil: Construction in April 2021 was 40%.
For October 2021, it jumps up to 45%.

The overall pass rate for Civil: Geotech in April 2021 was 57%.
For October 2021, it dives to 44%.

The overall pass rate for Civil: Structural in April 2021 was 48%.
For October 2021, it jumps to 54%. (Copied from Steelnole 15 above)

The overall pass rate for Civil: Transportation in April 2021 was 63%.
For October 2021, it dives to 54%.

The overall pass rate for Civil: WRE in April 2021 was 59%.
For October 2021, it stayed the same at 59%.

For Construction and Structural the passing overall percentage increased, but for Geotech and Transportation it decreased and WRE stayed the same.

What are your thoughts on why?

 

[Pra4surf1]

I just did the math to see what the overall passing percentage for the other Civil were & here they are...

The overall pass rate for Civil: Construction in April 2021 was 40%.
For October 2021, it jumps up to 45%.

The overall pass rate for Civil: Geotech in April 2021 was 57%.
For October 2021, it dives to 44%.

The overall pass rate for Civil: Structural in April 2021 was 48%.
For October 2021, it jumps to 54%. (Copied from Steelnole 15 above)

The overall pass rate for Civil: Transportation in April 2021 was 63%.
For October 2021, it dives to 54%.

The overall pass rate for Civil: WRE in April 2021 was 59%.
For October 2021, it stayed the same at 59%.

For Construction and Structural the passing overall percentage increased, but for Geotech and Transportation it decreased and WRE stayed the same.

What are your thoughts on why?

Where are you getting those percentages? Construction for example was 53% this past October.

 

[steel]

Where are you getting those percentages? Construction for example was 53% this past October.

53% is the first-time taker pass percentage. You have to combine the first-time taker percentage and the repeat-taker percentage to find out how many people overall passed and failed, regardless of how many times they've taken it.

 

[Tiger15]

I just did the math to see what the overall passing percentage for the other Civil were & here they are...

The overall pass rate for Civil: Construction in April 2021 was 40%.
For October 2021, it jumps up to 45%.

The overall pass rate for Civil: Geotech in April 2021 was 57%.
For October 2021, it dives to 44%.

The overall pass rate for Civil: Structural in April 2021 was 48%.
For October 2021, it jumps to 54%. (Copied from Steelnole 15 above)

The overall pass rate for Civil: Transportation in April 2021 was 63%.
For October 2021, it dives to 54%.

The overall pass rate for Civil: WRE in April 2021 was 59%.
For October 2021, it stayed the same at 59%.

For Construction and Structural the passing overall percentage increased, but for Geotech and Transportation it decreased and WRE stayed the same.

What are your thoughts on why?

I don't see any changes bigger than about 15%. That doesn't seem particularly significant to me. I think it's just the natural variation.

 

[Acute Fungi]

I ran some more numbers for the PE Civil Exam;
Spring 2021, total takers (both 1st time & repeaters) was 10,324. Of that, 5,643 passed for an overall pass rate of 55%.
Fall 2021, total takers (both 1st time & repeaters) was 10,022. Of that, 5,331 passed for an overall pass rate of 53%.

Even if individual discipline pass rates move up or down per each test cycles, as jean15paul_PE (see above) points outs, "don't see changes bigger than about 15%". The total overall for PE Civil Exam was around the same (within 2%) of those that pass regardless of which afternoon session one would take.

If you looked around the room on test day, one could say that 53-55% will pass this exam and all the other ones won't. Regardless, if this was first time or, 2nd, 3rd or 4th time.

Also, notice too, there were slightly more takers for the Spring of 2021 Exam than there were in Fall 2021 Exam. Just 302 more takers in Spring 2021 than Fall 2021. I would have expected there to be significant more takers in the Fall 2021 versus Spring 2021 given this was the last P & P Exam. However, room size and/or capacity may have limits too. There may be pre-assign numbers of takers permitted by NCEEs regardless if this was last P&P test or not. Were there anyone at the last day or so for signups that got turned down because the seats were completely filled? Or another reason could be that some were just finished taking the P&P Exam and wanted to move on to CBT Exam.

What are your thoughts?