Gulf Oil Spill

[Dark Knight]

I don't know, I'm just tired of every dipshit on the news and the general public thinking they, with no engineering degree or experience in the oil/gas industry, can do a better job than BP or find fault based on what some guy told one of his buddies at a bar...

Agree. BP has done a heck of a job. LA marshes in jeopardy if not messed up already, 1/3 of the Gulf with an oil slick or, to make this very simple, being responsible for the worst oil spill in history. By the way, is still spewing oil and they had no contingency plan to solve the issue. That is a GREAT freaking job.

 

[Chucktown PE]

I don't know, I'm just tired of every dipshit on the news and the general public thinking they, with no engineering degree or experience in the oil/gas industry, can do a better job than BP or find fault based on what some guy told one of his buddies at a bar...

Agree. BP has done a heck of a job. LA marshes in jeopardy if not messed up already, 1/3 of the Gulf with an oil slick or, to make this very simple, being responsible for the worst oil spill in history. By the way, is still spewing oil and they had no contingency plan to solve the issue. That is a GREAT freaking job.

And exactly what would you do to improve the situation? Our f-wad president runs around saying things like "we will not rest until these people are made whole", and "BP is not doing anything without White House approval". But no one has come up with any better solution than the engineers at BP from what I can tell.

Unfortunately, this thing is 5000 feet deep, and the contingency plan they had and all of their redundant systems they had failed. I agree mistakes were made, but as Dleg said in another thread, this is partly a consequence of our thirst for oil.

 

[FLBuff PE]

I can definitely see how you draw such a conclusion from one guy that said one sentence about a button he pressed. I mean you have so much information to parse through, electrical and mechanical schematics of the BOP, riser pipe, kill switch (or whatever they are calling it). Oh wait, you don't have that information do you? :dunno:

What got your panties in a bunch today, Chuck?

I don't know, I'm just tired of every dipshit on the news and the general public thinking they, with no engineering degree or experience in the oil/gas industry, can do a better job than BP or find fault based on what some guy told one of his buddies at a bar. Then our illustrious attorney general is investigating for civil/criminal charges. This whole thing is a bunch of grandstanding by our ******* politicians and environmental activists, and to me, the only people that appear to being doing anything other than sitting on their fat ***** are BP and their subcontractors, the Coast Guard and other military personel, and volunteers on the Gulf Coast.

Eleven people did lose their lives the day the rig exploded. There is fault, and possible criminal actions.

 

[Chucktown PE]

I can definitely see how you draw such a conclusion from one guy that said one sentence about a button he pressed. I mean you have so much information to parse through, electrical and mechanical schematics of the BOP, riser pipe, kill switch (or whatever they are calling it). Oh wait, you don't have that information do you? :dunno:

What got your panties in a bunch today, Chuck?

I don't know, I'm just tired of every dipshit on the news and the general public thinking they, with no engineering degree or experience in the oil/gas industry, can do a better job than BP or find fault based on what some guy told one of his buddies at a bar. Then our illustrious attorney general is investigating for civil/criminal charges. This whole thing is a bunch of grandstanding by our ******* politicians and environmental activists, and to me, the only people that appear to being doing anything other than sitting on their fat ***** are BP and their subcontractors, the Coast Guard and other military personel, and volunteers on the Gulf Coast.

Eleven people did lose their lives the day the rig exploded. There is fault, and possible criminal actions.

Agreed, but the timing indicates that this is political. When have you ever heard the attorney general announce an investigation into criminal wrongdoing? They usually investigate without a big ******* press release, then announce indictments. The justice department is not supposed to be a political tool.

 

[IlPadrino]

Agreed, but the timing indicates that this is political. When have you ever heard the attorney general announce and investigation into criminal wrongdoing? They usually investigate without a big ******* press release, then announce indictments. The justice department is not supposed to be a political tool.

It pains me to write... but I agree with Chucktown *completely* (on this topic ONLY). Everything we're hearing from the White House is about political cover, not effective solution. Anyone who thinks the government should have taken over the recovery operation should be forced to move to Canada! Anyone who is ready to draw conclusions about culpability based on what we know so far is obviously biased. Anyone who thinks BP is half-stepping towards fixing the problem doesn't understand economics or engineering.

This is just the latest example of sensationalism for the benefit of politics.

 

[Chucktown PE]

Agreed, but the timing indicates that this is political. When have you ever heard the attorney general announce an investigation into criminal wrongdoing? They usually investigate without a big ******* press release, then announce indictments. The justice department is not supposed to be a political tool.

It pains me to write... but I agree with Chucktown *completely* (on this topic ONLY

Holy ****. I'm going to do the happy dance on this one. arty-smiley-048:

 

[Supe]

Hmm.

That alone should have plugged up the spill. You know, from Hell freezing over.

 

[Dleg]

I agree with Chucktown on this, too. But it is worth pointing out that any politician, probably even Chucktown himself, if he were put in that position, would be out there saying the same things. The alternative is to face the accusations of not reacting, and if there's one thing the public and the media have taught politicians everywhere, it's that any action is better than no action. I'm sure, no, wait, I'm hoping that no one in the administration actually believes the government could be doing a better job at this than BP and the horde of specialized contractors that are on the job now.

 

[Capt Worley PE]

Agreed, but the timing indicates that this is political. When have you ever heard the attorney general announce and investigation into criminal wrongdoing? They usually investigate without a big ******* press release, then announce indictments. The justice department is not supposed to be a political tool.

It pains me to write... but I agree with Chucktown *completely* (on this topic ONLY). Everything we're hearing from the White House is about political cover, not effective solution. Anyone who thinks the government should have taken over the recovery operation should be forced to move to Canada! Anyone who is ready to draw conclusions about culpability based on what we know so far is obviously biased. Anyone who thinks BP is half-stepping towards fixing the problem doesn't understand economics or engineering.

This is just the latest example of sensationalism for the benefit of politics.

Both of you are dead nuts on.

 

[Chucktown PE]

Wow, I've got IlPadrino, Dleg, and Capt Worley agreeing with me now. I'm running for office dudes.

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[EnvEngineer]

Wow all that stress over what I saw on TV, I did not imply I knew more I just did not see where the redundant systems were, maybe someone who knows more about deep water drilling could provide some additional information. I dont think personal attacks are warrented in a professional forum such as this, we all have opinions and some have facts, I was just sharing some info. By the way I am a engineer, a professional and have worked in the oil industry.

I wanted to add that the interview with this poor gentleman lastes over an hour with questions from all the operators (BP, Transatlantic, and his company) senators, and many others all wanted to know in depth what happened when he tried to activate the system. He is also the supervisor and stated that he had sole responcibility for the sytem including all electrical, hydraulic and maintance functions.

 

[engineergurl]

why do all my topics end up turning into drama? arty-smiley-048:

 

[Dleg]

Wow all that stress over what I saw on TV, I did not imply I knew more I just did not see where the redundant systems were, maybe someone who knows more about deep water drilling could provide some additional information. I dont think personal attacks are warrented in a professional forum such as this, we all have opinions and some have facts, I was just sharing some info. By the way I am a engineer, a professional and have worked in the oil industry.
I wanted to add that the interview with this poor gentleman lastes over an hour with questions from all the operators (BP, Transatlantic, and his company) senators, and many others all wanted to know in depth what happened when he tried to activate the system. He is also the supervisor and stated that he had sole responcibility for the sytem including all electrical, hydraulic and maintance functions.

Eh, some people tend to argue in more confrntational tones than others. I wouldn't take it personally. Your original post was infomrative, but still not much to go on for those of us (all of us?) who have yet to see a complete diagram or description of the BOP system.