Everything Happens for a Reason?
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knight1fox3
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Come to the midwest! Plenty of Polish heritage to go around! I actually had them not too long ago, at Polish fest no less.
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my mom stopped making them herself when she found a good Polish deli a couple towns away. I'm not a huge fan of them in general but the deli she buys them from makes a really good pierogis and a good kielbasa as well
I know, I know. I tried.Oh boy goodal, you should have left it on the topic of dumplings.
I think Snick may have been referencing Howard Stern's discovery - Denise Miller. a/k/a the Keibasa Queen.
ptatohed
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Ok, so you guys know I can't resist. Please accept my apology. Crap, here goes my lunch hour...... :wacko:
goodal, you and I have probably already covered most of what you wrote and most of what I am about to reply in PM but here goes anyway.
You talk about the amount of good the Christian church has done. There is absolutely no doubt about that. Christian charities should be commended for all of the aid and charity they provide.
But two things. 1.) Good works is not exclusive to Christianity. There are countless secular organizations providing very commendable charitable and philanthropic efforts (Doctors Without Borders, Goodwill, The Nature Conservancy, Wheelchair Foundation, PlanUSA / Plan International, Foundation Beyond Belief, The American Red Cross, etc., etc.). Likewise, there are also countless charities of other, non-Christian, religions (Mercy-USA - Islam, LIFE - Islam, Hindu Charities for America - Hinduism, The Tzu Chi Foundation - Buddhism, Buddhist Global Relief - Buddhism, Lotus Outreach International - Buddhism, Da Chong Confucianism And Taoism Association Inc - Confucianism, American Joint Jewish Distribution Committee - Judaism, etc.). My point is, all these secular and non-Christian charities manage to do just as much giving as Christian organizations, if not more, without the need of the Christian bible. It seems to me, Christianity is not needed for good works. And if someone was doing good works only because their holy book instructed them to do so, I would seriously question the merits of that person's good deeds.
2.) But, let's say, for a minute, that only Christians did good works. That still does not prove that the extraordinary claims of the Christian bible are true. The fact that good Christians do good things speaks nothing to the truth claims of the bible. Just as a Muslim doing a good deed doesn't speak to the truth of the Quran, right?
I'll skip some of the other stuff, though I would love to refute some of it.
Here's the part that I would like to address please: " Again, not saying you guys are evil, but you have to admit without God and rules, that is where your line of thought leads. Yes, people that call themselves christians have done much evil, but when they do it is done in direct contradiction to our guidebook and I do not condone it." With all due respect goodal, I unequivocally, undeniably disagree with you here. I'd love for you to show me where in your "guidebook" (assuming you mean the OT and NT, ie The Bible) are instructions for good morals, values, and behaviors; that we wouldn't otherwise know outside of the bible. We can all decide for ourselves what is good and what is bad, independent of the bible. The fact that we can all look at the bible and point to the good things like love thy neighbor, don't steal, don't murder, help the helpless, etc. and say to ourselves those are good things to do...... and we can look at all the awful disgusting (and silly) directions in the bible like when you beat your slave make sure they live a day or two before dying, if you rape a woman you must marry her, stone a bride on her wedding night if it turns out she is not a virgin, women can't talk in church, women may not teach and may only learn from their husbands, women shall be submissive to their husbands as slaves to their masters, on and on and on,..... and say to ourselves those are bad terrible things that we should never do - means we have a moral compass outside and separate from the bible. We do not need the bible to know right from wrong. The best moral nugget of the bible is the golden rule. But the golden rule basically exists in some form or another in almost every major religion and predates the Old Testament by hundreds of years. I thank Buddha we don't get our morals from the bible! If we did, we'd be stoning our children for misbehaving, treating women like chattel, have a maddening obsession with foreskin and an extreme disgust for menstruation, kill gays, own other people, eat our children when we disobey god, etc., etc., etc.
Again, sorry. I can't help myself. Forgive me. :mellow:
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I won't lie, I started typing a response but then got distracted by frozen perogies... I have an amazingly unhealthy recipe for what we grew up calling Polish Lasagna... just imagine.... lasagna noodles, buttery onion mashed potatoes, kielbase and cheese all in a baked layered goodness of love... but seriously, this train of thought has reminded me of VTE because we grew up eating the same food called by different names... and let me tell you, cabbage rice and beef rolls whatever you call them and no matter if you cook them in tomato sauce, soup or juice...are the bomb.
I can get down and dirty with pierogies. Big staple in our house growing up. Had one Polish grandmother, and one Slovak grandmother. Potato and onion are my fave.
I can also annihilate stuffed cabbage like there's no tomorrow.
This place is just down the street from me. I've been meaning to try it for years but haven't been there yet! They sell both the aforementioned pierogies (which they refer to as Polish dumplings) and stuffed cabbage, but are supposed to have a killer deli, too.
http://zygmapolishdeli.com/
knight1fox3
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You drove yourself. And those were good wings!And you took me to a dive bar for wings instead?! I feel cheated!!!
knight1fox3
Jedi MASTER & Friend of Capt. Solo
They were indeed good wings. But I didn't know pierogies were also on the table as a meal alternative. Next time though!
Everything does happen for a reason.
Two days ago, my paper recycling bin was almost full. I just needed a couple more things to stick in it before taken it to the recycling drop off down the street (I refuse to pay the extra $25/mo. to get curbside recycling). I come home from work and find a "yellow pages" on my front porch. I took it straight my bin and off to the recycling center it goes (I had no idea they still printed yellow pages).
There had to be a reason why a yellow pages was waiting for me on the front porch, to fill the recycling bin. Obviously it was not to actually open it and look for the name and phone number of a plumber or a personal injury attorney.
Two days ago, my paper recycling bin was almost full. I just needed a couple more things to stick in it before taken it to the recycling drop off down the street (I refuse to pay the extra $25/mo. to get curbside recycling). I come home from work and find a "yellow pages" on my front porch. I took it straight my bin and off to the recycling center it goes (I had no idea they still printed yellow pages).
There had to be a reason why a yellow pages was waiting for me on the front porch, to fill the recycling bin. Obviously it was not to actually open it and look for the name and phone number of a plumber or a personal injury attorney.
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