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[Capt Worley PE]

Sorry Roadwreck, but I just don't have the stamina to change ignorance.

I'm not sure I'd call it ignorance, it is just a different acceptance level that you guys tolerate in so called morality levels.

Not having kids, I'm not sure how I'd really feel. I think DV was right in that for higher level classes, say 6th grade and above, she may not be effective due to folks knowing her past. And, she did remove herself.

 

[goodal]

Okay, I've edited my first response, because it just won't do any good. Let me just say, badal, your righteous hatred of millions of people scares me.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

come on that is a joke...

 

[MA_PE]

Okay, I've edited my first response, because it just won't do any good. Let me just say, badal, your righteous hatred of millions of people scares me.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

come on that is a joke...

Trust me, I am.

of both the general moral decline and of the fanatics that vehemently campaign against it by whatever means possible in favor of diametrically opposite views.

and that's no joke.

 

[Capt Worley PE]

Okay, I've edited my first response, because it just won't do any good. Let me just say, badal, your righteous hatred of millions of people scares me.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

come on that is a joke...

Trust me, I am.

of both the general moral decline and of the fanatics that vehemently campaign against it by whatever means possible in favor of diametrically opposite views.

and that's no joke.

The ends are being played against the middle, so to speak.

 

[FLBuff PE]

So, the impass between us is that you do not know right from wrong and I have a set standard for them. I'm afraid there is no getting past that.
Have a nice life.

You're free to set what you call "standards for right and wrong" (morals, yeah?) ... but surely you don't think you, personally, should be setting morals for the public?

Thanks for the "have a nice life", especially if it's really heartfelt. Somehow, though, you don't come off as a live-and-let-live kind of guy. Which I'm sure works just fine if you're sufficiently insulated.

Sorry, that was my lame attempt to end the argument. I should have tried a more amicable approach. This is no use in us arguing for the reasons I will list below. I plan on this being my last comment on the matter.

This went from discussing the hiring practices of a school board to, spatting about moral preferences. You and I can not discuss this without a benchmark (to use an engineering term) and we have none. It would be like me trying to talk to an ancient egyptian. We don't speak the same language. Without somewhere to start (a belief in right and wrong) there will never be an end to this conversation. As to your last point, I am not a live and let live kind of person, which I'm sure you will crucify me for. That will only point to hypocrisy on your part. I should be more tolerant but you won't tolerate me, please tell me you see the irony in that. Americas moral decline is partly due to the "live and let live" attitude that is so prevalent today. I'm sure that kind of attitude, combined with no right and wrong, makes for a very convenient life, but I simply cannot ignore that there is right/wrong, judgment/reward. I regret to say that the extent of my actions to combat this are to sit behind this key board and type the occasional entry on a message board, but if you will look back through my past comments, even these are rare.

So as I said before, have a nice life. I hope it works out for you.

...and go UK!!!!

*America's

Sorry...can't help myself. My grammar is far from perfect, and therefore I will stop being the Grammar Nazi of the thread. Have a nice life, everyone!

 

[Capt Worley PE]

So, the impass between us is that you do not know right from wrong and I have a set standard for them. I'm afraid there is no getting past that.
Have a nice life.

You're free to set what you call "standards for right and wrong" (morals, yeah?) ... but surely you don't think you, personally, should be setting morals for the public?

Thanks for the "have a nice life", especially if it's really heartfelt. Somehow, though, you don't come off as a live-and-let-live kind of guy. Which I'm sure works just fine if you're sufficiently insulated.

Sorry, that was my lame attempt to end the argument. I should have tried a more amicable approach. This is no use in us arguing for the reasons I will list below. I plan on this being my last comment on the matter.

This went from discussing the hiring practices of a school board to, spatting about moral preferences. You and I can not discuss this without a benchmark (to use an engineering term) and we have none. It would be like me trying to talk to an ancient egyptian. We don't speak the same language. Without somewhere to start (a belief in right and wrong) there will never be an end to this conversation. As to your last point, I am not a live and let live kind of person, which I'm sure you will crucify me for. That will only point to hypocrisy on your part. I should be more tolerant but you won't tolerate me, please tell me you see the irony in that. Americas moral decline is partly due to the "live and let live" attitude that is so prevalent today. I'm sure that kind of attitude, combined with no right and wrong, makes for a very convenient life, but I simply cannot ignore that there is right/wrong, judgment/reward. I regret to say that the extent of my actions to combat this are to sit behind this key board and type the occasional entry on a message board, but if you will look back through my past comments, even these are rare.

So as I said before, have a nice life. I hope it works out for you.

...and go UK!!!!

*America's

Sorry...can't help myself. My grammar is far from perfect, and therefore I will stop being the Grammar Nazi of the thread. Have a nice life, everyone!

 

[Master slacker]

So, the impass between us is that you do not know right from wrong and I have a set standard for them. I'm afraid there is no getting past that.
Have a nice life.

You're free to set what you call "standards for right and wrong" (morals, yeah?) ... but surely you don't think you, personally, should be setting morals for the public?

Thanks for the "have a nice life", especially if it's really heartfelt. Somehow, though, you don't come off as a live-and-let-live kind of guy. Which I'm sure works just fine if you're sufficiently insulated.

Sorry, that was my lame attempt to end the argument. I should have tried a more amicable approach. This is no use in us arguing for the reasons I will list below. I plan on this being my last comment on the matter.

This went from discussing the hiring practices of a school board to, spatting about moral preferences. You and I can not discuss this without a benchmark (to use an engineering term) and we have none. It would be like me trying to talk to an ancient egyptian. We don't speak the same language. Without somewhere to start (a belief in right and wrong) there will never be an end to this conversation. As to your last point, I am not a live and let live kind of person, which I'm sure you will crucify me for. That will only point to hypocrisy on your part. I should be more tolerant but you won't tolerate me, please tell me you see the irony in that. Americas moral decline is partly due to the "live and let live" attitude that is so prevalent today. I'm sure that kind of attitude, combined with no right and wrong, makes for a very convenient life, but I simply cannot ignore that there is right/wrong, judgment/reward. I regret to say that the extent of my actions to combat this are to sit behind this key board and type the occasional entry on a message board, but if you will look back through my past comments, even these are rare.

So as I said before, have a nice life. I hope it works out for you.

...and go UK!!!!

*America's

Sorry...can't help myself. My grammar is far from perfect, and therefore I will stop being the Grammar Nazi of the thread. Have a nice life, everyone!

* , and ; therefore,

<Taking grammar-nazism to new levels>

 

[Capt Worley PE]

So, the impass between us is that you do not know right from wrong and I have a set standard for them. I'm afraid there is no getting past that.
Have a nice life.

You're free to set what you call "standards for right and wrong" (morals, yeah?) ... but surely you don't think you, personally, should be setting morals for the public?

Thanks for the "have a nice life", especially if it's really heartfelt. Somehow, though, you don't come off as a live-and-let-live kind of guy. Which I'm sure works just fine if you're sufficiently insulated.

Sorry, that was my lame attempt to end the argument. I should have tried a more amicable approach. This is no use in us arguing for the reasons I will list below. I plan on this being my last comment on the matter.

This went from discussing the hiring practices of a school board to, spatting about moral preferences. You and I can not discuss this without a benchmark (to use an engineering term) and we have none. It would be like me trying to talk to an ancient egyptian. We don't speak the same language. Without somewhere to start (a belief in right and wrong) there will never be an end to this conversation. As to your last point, I am not a live and let live kind of person, which I'm sure you will crucify me for. That will only point to hypocrisy on your part. I should be more tolerant but you won't tolerate me, please tell me you see the irony in that. Americas moral decline is partly due to the "live and let live" attitude that is so prevalent today. I'm sure that kind of attitude, combined with no right and wrong, makes for a very convenient life, but I simply cannot ignore that there is right/wrong, judgment/reward. I regret to say that the extent of my actions to combat this are to sit behind this key board and type the occasional entry on a message board, but if you will look back through my past comments, even these are rare.

So as I said before, have a nice life. I hope it works out for you.

...and go UK!!!!

*America's

Sorry...can't help myself. My grammar is far from perfect, and therefore I will stop being the Grammar Nazi of the thread. Have a nice life, everyone!

* , and ; therefore,

<Taking grammar-nazism to new levels>

Well, as long as we're all goose stepping around in our jackboots, Egyptian should be capitalized.

 

[Capt Worley PE]

So, the impass between us is that you do not know right from wrong and I have a set standard for them. I'm afraid there is no getting past that.
Have a nice life.

You're free to set what you call "standards for right and wrong" (morals, yeah?) ... but surely you don't think you, personally, should be setting morals for the public?

Thanks for the "have a nice life", especially if it's really heartfelt. Somehow, though, you don't come off as a live-and-let-live kind of guy. Which I'm sure works just fine if you're sufficiently insulated.

Sorry, that was my lame attempt to end the argument. I should have tried a more amicable approach. This is no use in us arguing for the reasons I will list below. I plan on this being my last comment on the matter.

This went from discussing the hiring practices of a school board to, spatting about moral preferences. You and I can not discuss this without a benchmark (to use an engineering term) and we have none. It would be like me trying to talk to an ancient egyptian. We don't speak the same language. Without somewhere to start (a belief in right and wrong) there will never be an end to this conversation. As to your last point, I am not a live and let live kind of person, which I'm sure you will crucify me for. That will only point to hypocrisy on your part. I should be more tolerant but you won't tolerate me, please tell me you see the irony in that. Americas moral decline is partly due to the "live and let live" attitude that is so prevalent today. I'm sure that kind of attitude, combined with no right and wrong, makes for a very convenient life, but I simply cannot ignore that there is right/wrong, judgment/reward. I regret to say that the extent of my actions to combat this are to sit behind this key board and type the occasional entry on a message board, but if you will look back through my past comments, even these are rare.

So as I said before, have a nice life. I hope it works out for you.

...and go UK!!!!

*America's

Sorry...can't help myself. My grammar is far from perfect, and therefore I will stop being the Grammar Nazi of the thread. Have a nice life, everyone!

* , and ; therefore,

<Taking grammar-nazism to new levels>

Well, as long as we're all goose stepping around in our jackboots, Egyptian should be capitalized.

I should be more tolerant but you won't tolerate me,; please tell me you see the irony in that.

Deutchland, Deutchland....

 

[navyasw02]

The "moral decline of America" is the biggest crock of shit excuse I've ever heard for justifying extreme conservative views. Since this country was founded, we've had slavery, genocide, violent racism and homophobia, segregation, greed, incivility, and continuous inequality. The only reason everyone is spouting about moral decline now is because every continuous news feed believes in old newspaper selling philosophy of "If it bleeds, it leads". You think parents and people are any worse today? No, there's just more of the idiots by population expansion and they're more prone to breeding.

 

[Capt Worley PE]

The "moral decline of America" is the biggest crock of shit excuse I've ever heard for justifying extreme conservative views. Since this country was founded, we've had slavery, genocide, violent racism and homophobia, segregation, greed, incivility, and continuous inequality. The only reason everyone is spouting about moral decline now is because every continuous news feed believes in old newspaper selling philosophy of "If it bleeds, it leads". You think parents and people are any worse today? No, there's just more of the idiots by population expansion and they're more prone to breeding.

But doesn't that prove his point that moral value is declining? More stupid/immoral people due to more rapid breeding of that subset of the population?

Not saying I agree; just sayin'. Enjoy playing the devil's advocate.

 

[MA_PE]

The "moral decline of America" is the biggest crock of shit excuse I've ever heard for justifying extreme conservative views. Since this country was founded, we've had slavery, genocide, violent racism and homophobia, segregation, greed, incivility, and continuous inequality. The only reason everyone is spouting about moral decline now is because every continuous news feed believes in old newspaper selling philosophy of "If it bleeds, it leads". You think parents and people are any worse today? No, there's just more of the idiots by population expansion and they're more prone to breeding.

But doesn't that prove his point that moral value is declining? More stupid/immoral people due to more rapid breeding of that subset of the population?

Not saying I agree; just sayin'. Enjoy playing the devil's advocate.

Damn straight it proves the point. Watch the movie Idiocracy. This is one of the most prophetic movies I've ever seen. Mike Judge is a present day Nostradamus. I was watching WebSoup last night and they aired a sequence of video clips from the web. I thought I was watching "Ow, my balls".

We are living it now.

I'm waiting for Starbucks to try a new direction of business as the high-end coffee business slows down.

 

[Dexman PE]

I've sat on the sidelines on this one because I have a hard time coming up with the words to concisely describe my feelings on the subject, but heres a shot:

Back to the original subject: I would expect her to get fired. Not that I want her to be, or that because I dont like the choices shes made, or because I think shes a bad role model, or even because she may no longer be able to control her classroom. I would expect her to get fired because of the knee-jerk reaction that typically occurs by those in the decision making capacity of the school board. They wont fire her because they want to fire her, or because of the choices shes made, or if they think shes a bad role model, or even if she can no longer control her classroom. They will fire her because its easy and convenient. They wont look into her teaching experience, they will disregard awards and credentials, and they certainly wont look into her capacity to maintain a quality learning environment. Its the easy way to deflect the blame of hiring an ex porn star, they wont have to defend the fact that maybe she is actually a good person/teacher who made a questionable (although legal) decision a decade and a half ago. They will do it and set their reelection platform on top of her by showing how they're "protecting our kids from the filth of the world."

By no means am I condoning the decisions she made in the past. She did it, she needs to live with those consequences.

I understand there would be challenges in maintaining respect and order in a high school environment, and I would expect that those involved take the time to dissect the situation and tackle those challenges accordingly. I would also expect that because high school students are young adults, that they be treated as such and not "sheltered" from such an experience. People have sex. They have done so FOREVER. Pretending it doesnt exist, especially around these young adults would be a huge diservice to them. I understand there is a time and a place to discuss sex and its consequences, and that many parents prefer to handle it on their own, but to sweep it under the rug at any potential "flare-up" is just asinine.

Would I want her teaching my kids? I can honestly answer "I dont know". I realize this is taking the high road, but how can I truly make a decision on something that is only presented to me via a single news article? How can you make a decision on something you dont have to truly make a decision on? Its easy to throw around judgements and hypotheticals on the limited info we have, its difficult for those who really have to make this decision.

A couple questions that Ive compiled while sitting on the sidelines: What if she is a devout Christian, someone who goes to church regularly, who has confessed her sins to the Lord, participates at the annual bake sale, and teaches sunday school? Would she still be the filth as presented by some?

 

[Dexman PE]

BTW, I am fully aware there are multiple spelling and grammatical errors in my above post, I just dont care. Its difficult enough to get things typed on this damn droid phone as it is.

 

[willsee]

What if she was teaching elementary school? An age where (you hope) kids aren't viewing pornography and would know nothing of her past therefore should could effectively maintain control.

 

[Dexman PE]

A quick google search for "christian porn star" yielded the following article from last year:

http://coedmagazine.com/2009/04/27/10-porn...ir-bods-to-god/

(site appears to be safe for work, but be cautious).

It appears a couple even went as far as to take jobs WITH their respective churches...

But I guess some people just arent open to change.

 

[Capt Worley PE]

BTW, I am fully aware there are multiple spelling and grammatical errors in my above post, I just dont care. Its difficult enough to get things typed on this damn droid phone as it is.

You vill not divert ze Grammar Nazis so easily, Herr Dexman.

 

[Master slacker]

BTW, I am fully aware there are multiple spelling and grammatical errors in my above post, I just dont care. Its difficult enough to get things typed on this damn droid phone as it is.

Since you weren't aware of this post, I'll help.

* don't

* It's

* Droid[SIZE=8pt]®[/SIZE]

 

[Road Guy]

Ive never voted for a democrat. And I admit I like Porn and Teachers

and I think thats an impressive post for a droid / iphone / etc... I can barely bring myself to post on my ipod

 

[goodal]

Whoa, whoa, whoa lets keep them above the belt guys! I leave the office for a day and am accused of being an ignorant, violent bigot with righteous hatred of all 'em difrnt 'n me. I try to avoid philosophical email/thread debates because I guess I don't come across very well, it keeps me tore up for days and I'm not sure I do any good. I tried to bow out of this a couple times already but I can't let those go Major. The few times I have gotten in a debate such as this, two things happen, every time. First, I'm accused of being ignorant or some form of that word, quickly followed by dismissing me as an extremist. I guess that makes it easier to ignore what I'm saying if I'm a stupid extremist. But what if I said you are the extremist and started accusing you of being a danger to society because of your views? I haven't and wont because I have no proof of either, but what if? I can't speak to the first accusation of being ignorant. I don't guess a person can be very objective about their own intelligence, but I am not violent and don't believe in unnecessary violence (in fact I said DON'T burn her in oil). Also, I hate almost no one (except for the '92 Duke Basketball team). Please, if you're going to accuse me of something, base it in fact or at least something I've implied. Now, if you would have called me a gun-totin', bible thumpin', tea part member you would have been closer to the truth.

You said you grew up believing as me but have since learned better. Whenever I hear someone say that, I think of the scene in a myriad of movies that the enlightened teenager lets her parents know that she has learned better and is now a vegetarian [flips hair back], while they just look at her with a blank stare and slowly move on. Ok, so you now know "better" than the rest of us and accept everybody for who they are. Thanks for making the world a better place. Now back to the real world that has absolutes. You can't be "fairly liberal and fairly conservative". That's like saying your fairly tall and fairly short Pick one and own it.

Navyasw said it right "Parents should be your children's role models, not teachers, athletes, or actors". But we all know that there are a lot parents out there aren't and aren't trying to be. Navy also said there hasn't been a moral decline because people have always done bad things. Yes, this is true. Sin/wrong/bad has been around for a long time. The only thing that makes now different is that 1) it is more accepted and 2) more accessible.

I'm sticking to the disqualified remark. If she has become a Christian (which we don't know either way), has confessed and made it right with God and herself, that's great. If she is now a saint (as I am thanks to navyasw) and if this hadn't come out in the news and only she and her preacher/priest knew about her past, it might be ok for her to teach. But it is out and will be a topic forever on around her and children don't need to hear more about porn. What's she going to say to little billy when he [raises hand] "Teacher what's a porn star" [sits down]. I don't believe she is filth. Actually I don't know her at all, she may be, but I guess that's beside the point. She is just not qualified in my opinion.

Oh, thanks for being my advocate Capt Worley.

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