Star Wars! The "only open if youve seen the movie or want spoilers" Thread

[DVINNY]

I really liked the newest movie.

I think it was well put together, now I can't wait for the next one to come out.

 

[knight1fox3]

The stand-alone Rogue-Squadron movie is supposed to be pretty good as well.  And that is up next. :thumbs:

 

[Audi Driver P.E.]

While I agree (one of my favorite SW villains), keep in mind he was an apprentice.  As was Kenobi, but he had focus and determination on his side due to the recent death of his mentor.  While Maul was distracted by his taunting.  Kenobi was also at the top of his class in saber skills.  

One of mine too.  Second only to Darth Vader.

 

[knight1fox3]

 

[Patrick1441 PE]

Oh great. That's all we needed. A Druish princess.

 

[roadwreck]

I finally went to see Star Wars today.  Having a 10 month old limits your opportunities to go to the movies, not that we went all that often before having kids.  My wife and I both took the afternoon off work and went to see it.  There were only two other people in the entire theater, so that was kind of nice.  

All in all it was a good movie, but I regret not seeing it earlier.  Over the past month I've heard how great the movie was, it's hard for a movie to live up to that sort of hype.  Some aspects of the plot seemed a little forced but I can live with most of them.  The one thing that really bothered me though was the light saber duel at the end.  I guess they felt they needed a light saber duel in the film?  It doesn't make a lot of sense that someone with no training could "beat" a trained jedi.  Luke had some training when he faced Vader at the end of Empire and got his ass handed to him.  Kylo can apparently stop blaster fire but can't beat someone who had never wielded a light saber before?  That's a pretty lame villain, even if he had just killed his own father moments before. 

I do wonder what peoples feelings towards this film would have been if the prequels had never been made.  The movie was good, and much better than the prequels, but I don't think it can stand up to the originals. 

 

[Ken PE 3.1]

How bad would this movie have had to been in order to make the prequels look good?

 

[MetsFan]

I finally went to see Star Wars today.  Having a 10 month old limits your opportunities to go to the movies, not that we went all that often before having kids.  My wife and I both took the afternoon off work and went to see it.  There were only two other people in the entire theater, so that was kind of nice.  

All in all it was a good movie, but I regret not seeing it earlier.  Over the past month I've heard how great the movie was, it's hard for a movie to live up to that sort of hype.  Some aspects of the plot seemed a little forced but I can live with most of them.  The one thing that really bothered me though was the light saber duel at the end.  I guess they felt they needed a light saber duel in the film?  It doesn't make a lot of sense that someone with no training could "beat" a trained jedi.  Luke had some training when he faced Vader at the end of Empire and got his ass handed to him.  Kylo can apparently stop blaster fire but can't beat someone who had never wielded a light saber before?  That's a pretty lame villain, even if he had just killed his own father moments before. 

I do wonder what peoples feelings towards this film would have been if the prequels had never been made.  The movie was good, and much better than the prequels, but I don't think it can stand up to the originals. 

I thought this was a funny explanation to why he loses:

Source: http://imgur.com/7EhqwbF

People keep complaining about the fact that Finn and Rey beat Kylo at the end of TFA.

"He's so weak!"
"Beat by two nobodies!"
"Bitch got rofl-stomped by newbs!"

Did you watch the movie?

Did you pay attention at all?

Let's rewind a bit, and talk about something that comes up over a dozen times; Chewie's bowcaster.

The movie is like a freaking infomercial for the epic tons of fuck you and everything around you for the next twenty feet that this badass piece of weaponry dishes out like second helpings of your grandma's world famous mashed potatoes.

We see time again Chewie dealing heaping truckloads of fuck that guy and his entire lineage with this death-dealing weapon of pure carnage. He hits a Stormtrooper in the breadbasket and sends that poor sod flying twenty feet back into a wall as his armor shatters on the ground.

Han makes a point of asking Chewie if he can try it out, and then proceeds to obliterate five (two*) troopers with one easy shot.

Let's not mince words here. Chewie's Bowcaster is like the unholy love child of the original fucking crossbow and a howitzer. The Empire should have just strapped this piece of weaponized fuck you to the front of an asteroid, aimed it Alderaan, and saved themselves the trouble of housing a giant space station.

So...after being shown the pure unadulterated hell that spews forth from this hand-held death cannon in a deluge of destruction and demise, we can all agree that being shot with this thing tops a long list of things you don't want to happen to you.

Well, it happens to Kylo Ren.

And, what does he do? Well, he doesn't get thrown through the air like every other fucking thing that gets hit by this murder machine. In fact, he just kind of takes a knee for a minute. He doesn't get instantly wrecked while careening through the air hoping for the sweet release of death. He gets up, and proceeds to walk it the fuck off.

But, he doesn't just quit there. He doesn't just walk off what everything else in the universe instantly dies from. He goes out to find a couple bitches, and tear them apart.

The amount of control, the amount of pure Force power to stay standing after taking a shot like that is mind-bending. But, he doesn't just stay standing. He goes out and fights. He should have been dead right there, or at least screaming in pain as his insides fought to be outside his body. But, he fights. He's using untold amounts of pure Force energy to keep his insides inside, to keep himself conscious, to keep his legs, arms, and body moving, all while fighting two people who, until this point, haven't really been spending a ton of energy. They're practically fresh. And, no training? Finn's a STORMTROOPER. He's been combat trained since childhood. You bet your ass he can handle himself in a fight. And, Rey? Rey's been kicking ass hand-to-hand since before she can remember. Sure, it's an unfamiliar weapon, but you give someone, with an inkling of how to fight, a stick and they'll hold their own.

Of course two people beat Kylo at the end. Dude's nursing a gut wound that would put down a Rhino on steroids. The question shouldn't be how did Finn and Rey beat him.

It should be this:

If Kylo Ren could do all of that after taking that kind of hit...how in the fuck are they going to stop him when he's at one hundred percent?

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FP edit: Holy...I go to sleep for a little while, and I wake up with delusions of grandeur. You guys rock!

 

[Patrick1441 PE]

If Finn can beat this guy, he's no pushover!

 

[kevo_55]

Can't believe that a lightsaber can't cut right through that thing.

 

[MetsFan]

Talk about a big FU

 

[Road Guy]

Illinois plates?

 

[knight1fox3]

And, what does he do? Well, he doesn't get thrown through the air like every other fucking thing that gets hit by this murder machine. In fact, he just kind of takes a knee for a minute. He doesn't get instantly wrecked while careening through the air hoping for the sweet release of death. He gets up, and proceeds to walk it the fuck off.

But, he doesn't just quit there. He doesn't just walk off what everything else in the universe instantly dies from. He goes out to find a couple bitches, and tear them apart.

The question shouldn't be how did Finn and Rey beat him.

It should be this:

If Kylo Ren could do all of that after taking that kind of hit...how in the fuck are they going to stop him when he's at one hundred percent?

THIS.  Not sure what fight scene RW was watching, but he only took a few good hits from a full-blown storm trooper who has professional training in martial arts in addition to weapons combat.  So while he may not have realized how to actually harness a saber using the powers of the force, he simply treated it like a blunt weapon.  And in the end, paid dearly (read: saber slash up the length of his spine) for choosing that course of action.

Can't believe that a lightsaber can't cut right through that thing.

It was a modified energy baton.  And that same type of energy is similar to that generated by the force crystal in a saber hilt.  Which is why it wasn't able to cut right through it.

 

[Road Guy]

you all realize this didn't really happen right?

#onlyamovie

 

[MetsFan]

Of course it did, a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

 

[roadwreck]

THIS.  Not sure what fight scene RW was watching, but he only took a few good hits from a full-blown storm trooper who has professional training in martial arts in addition to weapons combat.  

I understand that Kylo was wounded, but I think it is firmly established that jedi can cut through storm troopers like swiss cheese.  And don't try to argue that these first order troopers are far superior to previous version since General whats-his-face alluded to switching back to the clones.  So even hurt, I don't think Fin would have been much of a problem and Rey has had no combat training, she has had to fend for herself for 20+ years (?) so I'm sure she has some skills, but not the same as any formal training.  Maybe I'm more disappointed that Kylo turned out to be a sniveling whiner.  The start of the movie made him out to be pretty bad ass and he just got more and more disappointing as the movie went on, culminating with being defeated in a light saber duel by a storm trooper and a novice. Pretty big let down in my book.  

 

[roadwreck]

Also, didn't Fin indicate that the raid on Jakku was his first time in combat?  So he may have been trained, but he had no combat experience.  

 

[knight1fox3]

I understand that Kylo was wounded, but I think it is firmly established that jedi can cut through storm troopers like swiss cheese.  And don't try to argue that these first order troopers are far superior to previous version since General whats-his-face alluded to switching back to the clones.  So even hurt, I don't think Fin would have been much of a problem and Rey has had no combat training, she has had to fend for herself for 20+ years (?) so I'm sure she has some skills, but not the same as any formal training.  Maybe I'm more disappointed that Kylo turned out to be a sniveling whiner.  The start of the movie made him out to be pretty bad ass and he just got more and more disappointing as the movie went on, culminating with being defeated in a light saber duel by a storm trooper and a novice. Pretty big let down in my book.  

No, I don't think you do actually.  This wasn't just some flesh wound from a run of the mill CDEF or DL-44 blaster.  This was a bowcaster.  Which generally, is a one-shot KILL.  And Ren took it like a champ and THEN went to fight two rebels not knowing if they were made of anything.  And let me ask you this, how many books/comics have you read on the First Order?  If none/not many then there isn't much else to say other than that F.O. troopers are in fact much more lethal than the conventional clone trooper.  It was decided after the destruction of the 2nd Death Star that most of the large trooper battalions were deemed inferior.  The First Order sought to rectify this with a "new" regiment.  I'd also like to point out another flaw in your statement.  How can you say with 100% confidence "Rey has had no combat training."  Do you know something we don't?  Rey is a wild card here and no one knows her history.  Sure there is speculation, but nothing yet for sure.  From what we saw on Jakku and in the force vision, she has had some form of combat training, even if not anything force-related.  And if she is related to who I think she is, then she is extremely force sensitive which only acted as a catalyst to what she already knew.  In my opinion, it was helpful to watch the movie multiple times to pick up on certain details that may have been missed during the initial viewing.

 

[Road Guy]

If were going to analyze it to this level, how could he have survived a blaster shot from a "laser crossbow"?  (Was it a Compound Bow)  I bet $10 that was added in after the first internal screening of the movie to make him not look like the pussy that some private and jedi underling made him look like  & shouldn't he have been able to "sense" the compound laser bow shot?

Martial Arts doesn't help you in a bayonet fight

 

[knight1fox3]

shouldn't he have been able to "sense" the compound laser bow shot?

Perhaps.  But keep in mind he was still an apprentice AND he had just killed his father.  Probably wasn't really focusing like he should have been.  The same could be said for Darth Maul and how Kenobi ended him.

Martial Arts doesn't help you in a bayonet fight

Tell that to Bruce Lee.  I have a movie for you that contests that claim. :thumbs: