Protecting the PE License

[knight1fox3]

The only training we get around here is safety and diversity.  Those are the only things that matter any more.

Essentially my point. There's usually SOME sort of training that a company performs. The safety training might qualify since it relates to your job function. Assuming it is 30 min. or greater in length.

 

[Supe]

Damnit, @csb, what have you done now?

http://jalopnik.com/talking-about-how-traffic-light-timing-works-will-get-y-1794666308

 

[Audi Driver P.E.]

From the link to WA state:

"the proposed bill... places limits and burdens on when a given regulatory board can engage in rulemaking and other standard state executive agency activities "

this is a threat to licensure?  How?  I fail to see how capriciousness is at all desirable.

 

[kevo_55]

And to think I thought this thread had something to do with simply wearing a cup.

 

[Dexman PE PMP]

The sales pitch of PDH's is that they help ensure engineers remain current.

The real motive is typically from some training institution's lobby trying to boost business.

In the end, several politicians are richer, training companies grow, engineers get 20+ hours of paid nap time, and the government body stacks more workload on a skeleton crew.

 

[knight1fox3]

Join the government when you first get the chance. pay might be lower but health,retirement, basically no merit raises for the first 5 years, and continuing education benefits all are worth it and add up to being the same, if not more (false). Not to mention union (LOL!!!!!) protections (depending on the state) which has priceless benefits when it comes to being home at the same time of day to spend time with the family. priceless, but breeds poor work ethic.

Fixt.

PDH's are not really intended to "keep you up to date" they are more of a result of someone who sells those classes takes the right politician / government schmuck to the right vacation / dinner until they convince them that we all "need" to buy their worthless PDH / CEU classes, books, etc..  Its basically welfare...

Then you likely aren't taking courses relevant to your profession. Obviously it's easy enough to cut corners and take something "just to take it". But that's not really doing yourself any favors. Also, development hours/continuing education was a requirement well before any of the marketed training class providers were around. It was only until recently people noticed there was a pretty good market for such services. I have yet to engage in any development course/training that I would consider to be worthless. Because if I did, it would be just that, a waste of my time. Something that is a commodity as of recent.

 

[Road Guy]

At this point in my career there is very little I can learn from someone who likely has never worked outside of some academic world.

Now I spent some time with an old guy who built Glenwood canyon a few weeks ago and I actually learned some things.

But PDH's are worthless unless you just feel you need them... If you are still working on relevant work you will be kept up to speed. If you are doing home inspections as a structural engineer then you may need to keep abreast of the latest..

 

[knight1fox3]

At this point in my career there is very little I can learn from someone who likely has never worked outside of some academic world.

I can appreciate this given that the type of work you do is heavily experienced based. 

If you are doing home inspections 

Don't we know someone on EB who does this?

 

[goodal]

IMHO PDH's are a complete waste of time.  The only ones I have gotten anything out of was from visiting a manufacturing facility.  The tours, hands on experiences and talking to the guys that make grilles, roof top units, fans, etc. was pretty beneficial.  All the other ways to get PDH are pointless and only exist to generate income.  It's a good idea in theory (like socialism), but doesn't work in the real world.  In a perfect world you would learn something, but when you can spend a couple hours online getting 30 hours of worthless credits, any usefullness goes out the window.

 

[thekzieg]

Do brewery tours count towards PDHs?

 

[Voomie]

I have gotten some gotten some stuff out of PDHs. I tend to go to research conferences and I am still young in my career.

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[knight1fox3]

All the other ways to get PDH are pointless and only exist to generate income.

So graduate school is pointless??? Because that is yet another avenue to acquire PDHs. Again, you're speaking only to the marketable resources (those that "sell" development hours) to obtain PDHs (which I agree tend to be rather pointless). I don't think you're looking at the big picture though.

In a perfect world you would learn something, but when you can spend a couple hours online getting 30 hours of worthless credits, any usefullness goes out the window.

I'm not sure about your state requirements, but in WI, the amount of PDHs you can allocate from online resources is capped. Where one must be proactive to find other avenues of PDHs (including ethics, which I find extremely valuable) and some must be classroom/field based.

 

[youngmotivatedengineer]

Graduate school is not pointless.  In New Jersey they are looking into making a masters degree a requirement for getting your PE license.  If I'm not mistaken, I think ASCE was trying to push for something like this also for all states. 

 

[TWJ PE]

Graduate school is not pointless.  In New Jersey they are looking into making a masters degree a requirement for getting your PE license.  If I'm not mistaken, I think ASCE was trying to push for something like this also for all states. 

They've tried this multiple times in different states. Keeps getting shot down...

 

[matt267 PE]

Graduate school is not pointless.  In New Jersey they are looking into making a masters degree a requirement for getting your PE license.  If I'm not mistaken, I think ASCE was trying to push for something like this also for all states. 

Now that I have my PE, I think this is a great idea.

 

[Voomie]

I have my masters and PE so I second this as well. Lol

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[goodal]

I guess I'm looking at practical ways for PE's to get PDH's.  Going back to school for some credits isn't practical for me.  Neither is trying to get an article published.  

 

[thekzieg]

So graduate school is pointless???

Yes.

-thekzieg, B.S., M.S., P.E.

 

[thekzieg]

I guess I'm looking at practical ways for PE's to get PDH's.  Going back to school for some credits isn't practical for me.  Neither is trying to get an article published.  

In WA we had some 6-hr and 8-hr seminars on code changes and disaster preparedness that weren't entirely useless. 

 

[Audi Driver P.E.]

In WA we had some 6-hr and 8-hr seminars on code changes and disaster preparedness that weren't entirely useless. 

And no PDH requirement to boot :beerchug: