I hope u r seeing OK since I look couple of posts above yours and I see the Water Resources depth diagnostic (though wrongly sent to the person). The diagnostic is still valid, with a raw score of 47/80 and scaled score of 68.
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I talked with the state board today, she said many others have called in with the same problem and she's not sure exactly what happened but somehow a lot of diagnostic reports got mixed up and were sent to the wrong people, apparently the one I got was someone elses. She did inform me though that the grade on the cover sheet was correct, which means I still failed.
She said they were working on getting it all straightened out and they should be sending the new (correct) reports out this week...more waiting...very frusterating...
I dont know what are you talking about the wait, at least you know ur score. in california we are still waiting for our results. THATS frusterating.
I agree, I really shouldn't be complaining, you guys have it much worse having to wait this long just for your pass/fail information...good luck, and i'll stop complaining...at least for a little while!
I didnt pass but my diagnostic says:
BREADTH:Basic engineering practice : 33%
BREADTH:Mechanical SYstem and Materials: 38%
BREADTH:Hydraulics and Fluids: 71%
BREADTH:Energy and Power Systems: 50%
HVAC and Refrigeration:57%
HVAC Thermodynamics:0%
HVAC Psychrometrics:33%
HVAC Heat Transfer:40%
HVAC Fluid MEchanics:100%
HVAC Compressible flow:0%
HVAC Energy Balances:50%
HVAC Equipment and Components:50%
HVAC Systems:43%
HVAC supportive Knowledge: 33%
This is such a bummer.
BREADTH:Basic engineering practice : 33%
BREADTH:Mechanical SYstem and Materials: 38%
BREADTH:Hydraulics and Fluids: 71%
BREADTH:Energy and Power Systems: 50%
HVAC and Refrigeration:57%
HVAC Thermodynamics:0%
HVAC Psychrometrics:33%
HVAC Heat Transfer:40%
HVAC Fluid MEchanics:100%
HVAC Compressible flow:0%
HVAC Energy Balances:50%
HVAC Equipment and Components:50%
HVAC Systems:43%
HVAC supportive Knowledge: 33%
This is such a bummer.
Diagnostic report for Civil/Structural depth, I failed with a grade of 68.
Breadth - Construction - 63
Breadth - Geotechnical - 88
Breadth - Structural - 62
Breadth - Transportation - 62
Breadth Water Resources and Environmental - 62
Loadings - 40
Analysis - 60
Mechanics of Materials - 20
Materials - 60
Member Design - 50
Design Criteria - 60
Other Topics - 40
Looks like I need to brush up on everything a little or Mechanics of Materials a lot!
Breadth - Construction - 63
Breadth - Geotechnical - 88
Breadth - Structural - 62
Breadth - Transportation - 62
Breadth Water Resources and Environmental - 62
Loadings - 40
Analysis - 60
Mechanics of Materials - 20
Materials - 60
Member Design - 50
Design Criteria - 60
Other Topics - 40
Looks like I need to brush up on everything a little or Mechanics of Materials a lot!
Could you provide your final score? Could someone else provide the thermal diagnostic report?
you only had 19 correct in evening, which is kinda low. and u r right, u need to brush up a lot of things, especially loading, analysis, mechanics of material an member design. if you practice structural engineering, these should be pretty basic for u.Diagnostic report for Civil/Structural depth, I failed with a grade of 68.
Breadth - Construction - 63
Breadth - Geotechnical - 88
Breadth - Structural - 62
Breadth - Transportation - 62
Breadth Water Resources and Environmental - 62
Loadings - 40
Analysis - 60
Mechanics of Materials - 20
Materials - 60
Member Design - 50
Design Criteria - 60
Other Topics - 40
Looks like I need to brush up on everything a little or Mechanics of Materials a lot!
IlPadrino
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I haven't been paying attention lately, but are those grades reported or calculated? If reported, are they raw? I ask because the average of the breath is just under 68 and it's half the total. I don't know what the distribution of your depth is, but with no score above 60, you couldn't be above 64.Diagnostic report for Civil/Structural depth, I failed with a grade of 68.
Breadth - Construction - 63
Breadth - Geotechnical - 88
Breadth - Structural - 62
Breadth - Transportation - 62
Breadth Water Resources and Environmental - 62
Loadings - 40
Analysis - 60
Mechanics of Materials - 20
Materials - 60
Member Design - 50
Design Criteria - 60
Other Topics - 40
Looks like I need to brush up on everything a little or Mechanics of Materials a lot!
I haven't been paying attention lately, but are those grades reported or calculated? If reported, are they raw? I ask because the average of the breath is just under 68 and it's half the total. I don't know what the distribution of your depth is, but with no score above 60, you couldn't be above 64.Diagnostic report for Civil/Structural depth, I failed with a grade of 68.
Breadth - Construction - 63
Breadth - Geotechnical - 88
Breadth - Structural - 62
Breadth - Transportation - 62
Breadth Water Resources and Environmental - 62
Loadings - 40
Analysis - 60
Mechanics of Materials - 20
Materials - 60
Member Design - 50
Design Criteria - 60
Other Topics - 40
Looks like I need to brush up on everything a little or Mechanics of Materials a lot!
Here is what it says below the diagnostic report I originally posted...I don't fully understand what your meaning by reported, calculated, and raw...I guess the ones I posted would be "reported" because that's what they "reported to me, but they had to have been calculated by someone as well so I guess they could be considered calculated also?...or raw maybe, not sure, again I don't understand what your definitions of those three words are. Hope the following paragraph clears things up.
"The diagnostic provided to candidates that fail a NCEES multiple-choice exam is provided to assist the failing candidates in evaluating their performance. It only provides relative performance on the knowledge areas listed on the exam's specification. It is not intended to provide scoring information. NCEES only provides pass/fail information and no longer provides a scaled score to the failing candidates.
IlPadrino
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I meant to ask how you could come up with an overall 68 when the details imply less than a 64. What do the details imply about a raw score? How does such a raw score compare to 68?
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u may find a lot of threads related to the raw score (what you can calculate based on the percentages in each subsection) and the reported (scaled) score. for the above report, the raw score is 46 (27 morning, 19 evening) and the scaled score is 68 as the guy told. there is no direct correlation, but u need a scaled score of 70 to pass.
dneva
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How could there not be a direct correlation between the scaled score and the raw score? If there was no direct correlation how would you come up with a scaled score. That means that everyone that failed would receive a score of 69. Makes no sense. 70 is passing. I believe that anywhere in the range from 48-50 for the civil-structural was the passing score since a scale score of 68 resulted in 46 proplems correct. Texas and Virginia results would give you a good educated guess on what number of problems were needed in order to pass the exams. Other states either give you the scaled score or a diagnostic report where one can determine the number of problems answered correctly.
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Looking at the numbers, the scores in the morning look like they may be multiples of 12.5% whereas the depth scores are multiples of 20 except for Member Design where it's a multiple of 10. Looking at the test plan, all of the depth topics cover 12.5% of the exam except for Member Design which is 25%. So no once can be certain if the scores are raw or scaled. Also, how can a score of 68% be achieved unless the scores provided were raw and then scaled to 68%. But as anyone who's taken the exam knows that the questions are not equally distributed. Out of 40 questions in the breadth exam, there may not be an equal number of questions for each topic (8 per topic) and I'm sure the same circumstance applies for the depth exam, so the scores may be weighted differently.
So the true question is "How much of an improvement would be required to pass the exam?" If the SMITHRJ40 answered 3 or 4 more questions correctly for the entire exam, would he/she pass the exam?
The other question would be "How confident was SMITHRJ40 after taking the exam?"
Anyway, the diagnostic should be enough to determine areas of improvement. In CA, they don't reveal the scores, but give qualitative remarks for each topic and just a "pass" or "fail" when you receive the letter.
This is the report on my 2nd exam on Oct. 23, 2009. Score 64/70, and I was pregnant with my 2nd child, so not a lot of effort in studying, and I missed the 3rd attempt since I gave birth just a month before the test given. If I don't pass the April test, I have to wait at least a year before giving permission to take the exam again, with more paperwork, of course.
Diagnostic Report on Power:
General Power Engineering: 42% correct
Circuit Analysis: 50%
Rotating Machines & Electromagnetic Devices: 62%
Transmission & Distribution: 54%
Diagnostic Report on Power:
General Power Engineering: 42% correct
Circuit Analysis: 50%
Rotating Machines & Electromagnetic Devices: 62%
Transmission & Distribution: 54%
benbo
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I think he meant "64" (not 64%). That is the old scaled score, which is still provided in Texas and Virginia. It is not a percentage, and as far as I know has no linear relationship to percentage. 70 (not 70%) would be passing. A "64" could mean 55%, or it could mean 67%, nobody knows. If you aren't in Texas or Virginia it won't make sense, so don't worry about it.
Once again, it's like an SAT test. A 600 obviously doesn't mean 600%. It means a different percent each time the test is administered, and it is not a linear relationship.
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