Flat Earthers

[Audi Driver P.E.]

Most conspiracy theories attempt to have at least some sort of well thought-out defense for their belief that might make for a good discussion/argument topic and might make a skeptic, at least for a moment, say 'Hmmmmm'. 

But a flat earth?  What is the defense for a flat earth theory?!  How do they explain boats disappearing over the horizon?  Night and day?  Seasons?  Aerial space images?  Eclipses?  Sailing/flying around the world?  Changes in star patterns?  Observing that all other moons and planets are spherical? 

If the earth is flat, where is the edge?  Why hasn't anyone discovered or been to the edge?  What's on the other side of the flat earth?  How thick is the earth? 

Seriously, do they have even one semi-compelling argument? 

No.

 

[ptatohed]

No.

Found this.  I actually read it.  Someone shoot me.    http://www.debate.org/debates/Scientific-evidence-overwellmingly-supports-a-flat-earth/1/ 

 

[aog]

The flat earth is the real reason global warming is such a problem.  If the earth warms too much, then Antarctica won't stay cold enough to keep the masses from discovering the truth.  Once Antarctica is warm, then any regular person can travel to the edge.  Right now it's so cold that only those who are insiders can get there.

 

[Exengineer]

Apparently Admiral Richard E. Byrd must have been deranged since he claimed that there is a land mass bigger than the United States beyond Antarctica.  How could this be possible if it is simply a continent?  If it really is the outer ring on a flat earth, then it makes sense.  I don't think Byrd was ever confined to an asylum for the mentally ill so he must have some credibility on this subject.   Of course everyone who denies what he said has never been to the South Pole, but Admiral Byrd has.  How can his words be explained?

 

[matt267 PE]

 

 

[DVINNY]

I don't see how this is even a topic of discussion.

My friend Donnie Baker says that the earth is flat.  He even proved it using a level, a football, and a Zima.   Cased Closed.

 

[DVINNY]

 

[Guest]

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[Audi Driver P.E.]

On 10/14/2017 at 8:33 PM, Exengineer said:

Apparently Admiral Richard E. Byrd must have been deranged since he claimed that there is a land mass bigger than the United States beyond Antarctica.  How could this be possible if it is simply a continent?  If it really is the outer ring on a flat earth, then it makes sense.  I don't think Byrd was ever confined to an asylum for the mentally ill so he must have some credibility on this subject.   Of course everyone who denies what he said has never been to the South Pole, but Admiral Byrd has.  How can his words be explained?

It's pretty disturbing to see this and discover the amount of stupid you have to be to believe this is the explanation for Byrd's statements.

 

[matt267 PE]

It's a special kind of stupid. 

 

[Audi Driver P.E.]

I blame auto-correct for the flat earth movement.

 

[matt267 PE]

I blame auto-incorrect for the flat earth movement.

Fixt. 

 

[Audi Driver P.E.]

Fixt. 

That just goes to prove how broken it is.

 

[goodal]

These people cannot be serious.  Can they?

 

[tj_PE]

These people cannot be serious.  Can they?

much serious. very wow.

 

[Audi Driver P.E.]

 

[Audi Driver P.E.]

 

[Dleg]

This man is about to launch himself in his homemade rocket to prove the Earth is flat

(Washington Post)

Seeking to prove that a conspiracy of astronauts fabricated the shape of the Earth, a California man intends to launch himself 1,800 feet high on Saturday in a rocket he built from scrap metal.

Assuming the 500-mph, mile-long flight through the Mojave Desert does not kill him, Mike Hughes told the Associated Press, his journey into the atmosflat will mark the first phase of his ambitious flat-Earth space program.

Hughes’s ultimate goal is a subsequent launch that puts him miles above the Earth, where the 61-year-old limousine driver hopes to photograph proof of the disc we all live on.

“It’ll shut the door on this ball earth,” Hughes said in a fundraising interview with a flat-Earth group for Saturday’s flight. Theories discussed during the interview included NASA being controlled by round-Earth Freemasons and Elon Musk making fake rockets from blimps.

Hughes promised the flat-Earth community that he would expose the conspiracy with his steam-powered rocket, which will launch from a heavily modified mobile home — though he acknowledged that he still had much to learn about rocket science.

“This whole tech thing,” he said in the June interview. “I’m really behind the eight ball.”

[Kyrie Irving believes the Earth is flat. It is not.]

That said, Hughes isn’t a totally unproven engineer. He set a Guinness World Record in 2002 for a limousine jump, according to Ars Technica, and has been building rockets for years, albeit with mixed results.

“Okay, Waldo. 3 . . . 2 . . . 1!” someone yells in a test fire video from 2012.

There’s a brief hiss of boiling water, then . . . nothing. So Hughes walks up to the engine and pokes it with a stick, at which point a thick cloud of steam belches out toward the camera.

He built his first manned rocket in 2014, the Associated Press reported, and managed to fly a quarter-mile over Winkelman, Ariz.

As seen in a YouTube video, the flight ended with Hughes being dragged, moaning from the remains of the rocket. The injuries he suffered put him in a walker for two weeks, he said.

[A Trump team member just compared climate science to the flat-Earth theory]

And the 2014 flight was only a quarter of the distance of Saturday’s mile-long attempt.

And it was based on round-Earth technology.

Hughes only recently converted to flat-Eartherism, after struggling for months to raise funds for his follow-up flight over the Mojave.

It was originally scheduled for early 2016 in a Kickstarter campaign — “From Garage to Outer Space!” — that mentioned nothing about Illuminati astronauts, and was themed after a NASCAR event.

“We want to do this and basically thumb our noses at all these billionaires trying to do this,” Hughes said in the pitch video, standing in his Apple Valley, Calif., living room, which he had plastered with drawings of his rockets.

“They have not put a man in space yet,” Hughes said. “There are 20 different space agencies here in America, and I’m the last person that’s put a man in a rocket and launched it.” Comparing himself to Evel Knievel, he promised to launch himself from a California racetrack that year as the first step in his steam-powered leap toward space.

The Kickstarter raised $310 of its $150,000 goal.

[The explorers who really disproved flat-Earth theories]

Hughes made other pitches, including a plan to fly over Texas in a “SkyLimo.” But he complained to Ars Technica last year about the difficulty of funding his dreams on a chauffeur’s meager salary.

A year later, he called into a flat-Earth community Web show to announce that he had become a recent convert.

“We were kind of looking for new sponsors for this. And I’m a believer in the flat Earth,” Hughes said. “I researched it for several months.”

The host sounded impressed. Hughes had actually flown in a rocket, he noted, whereas astronauts were merely paid actors performing in front of a CGI globe.

“John Glenn and Neil Armstrong are Freemasons,” Hughes agreed. “Once you understand that, you understand the roots of the deception.”

The host talked of “Elon Musk’s fake reality,” and Hughes talked of “anti-Christ, Illuminati stuff.” After half an hour of this, the host told his 300-some listeners to back Hughes’s exploration of space.

While there is no one hypothesis for what the flat Earth is supposed to look like, many believers envision a flat disc ringed by sea ice, which naturally holds the oceans in.

What’s beyond the sea ice, if anything, remains to be discovered.

“We need an individual who’s not compromised by the government,” the host told Hughes. “And you could be that man.”

A flat-Earth GoFundMe subsequently raised nearly $8,000 for Hughes.

By November, the AP reported, his $20,000 rocket had a fancy coat of Rust-Oleum paint and “RESEARCH FLAT EARTH” inscribed on the side.

While his flat-Earth friends helped him finally get the thing built, the AP reported, Hughes will be making adjustments right up to Saturday’s launch.

But he won’t be able to test the rocket before he climbs inside and attempts to steam himself at 500 mph across a mile of desert air. And even if it’s a success, he's promised his backers an even riskier launch within the next year, into the space above the disc. He told Ars Technica last year that the second phase of his mission might involve floating in a balloon up to 20,000 feet above the ground, then rocket-packing himself into outer space.

“It’s scary as hell,” Hughes told the AP. “But none of us are getting out of this world alive.”

This is true. And yet some hope to live to see its edges.

 

[tj_PE]

none of the reaction options are sufficient.

 

[Dleg]