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On 1/3/2020 at 10:27 AM, daydreambeliever said:

I have mixed feelings on that book as well. It does contain a lot of information in a fairly condensed format but I feel that EngPro Guide gives me more bang for my buck. It's been a while since I've looked at it but if I recall correctly I found the motor section in the Graffeo very helpful. I don't think i ever made it through the whole book though. I do remember working one of the theory examples and getting super frustrated. It was something I couldn't wrap my brain around at the time. I will definitely be going back through those examples.

I think on @ItsStudyTime! website below a ToC was posted for that book that may be more useful than what it currently contains. Depends on the version you have though. A good job was done of sectioning that book off by NCEES topic.

Thanks for that by the way @ItsStudyTime!

https://spreadsheetdirtbags.com/howtopassthepeexam/pe-exam-resources-electrical/

 

hey! no problem! I made the ToC for myself to use, so no reason not to share it! I have had a few people reach out about an 'updated version' of that ToC for the newer book version...but I haven't been able to help with that since I don't own the newer version (I have no need to own it). Hopefully someone else decides it's worth their time to update the ToC to the newer book version and can share it? I also (think?) I added a note on my website to message me through that 'contact me' thing and I can reply to that message and send the excel version of the ToC (instead of the PDF which is the downloadable file on the site) for easier editing. 

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As a note to all of you studying: Either build yourself in some breaks, or don't be too hard on yourself when you need a break. If you're feeling burned out and sluggish, take a half day or a day off

Everyone, I've seen a lot of posts all over the place from people studying for the upcoming exam. I thought it would be a good idea to get an April 2020 thread started for everyone to ask qu

Wasim is garbage for the PE so dont waste your time

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On 1/3/2020 at 10:30 AM, squaretaper LIT AF PE said:

I ran out of reactions today. So, thank you!

Edit: Homagah this website is great! Thanks @ItsStudyTime!

I'm glad you like it! It was somewhat cathartic to write it all out after sitting for the exam. It felt like taking a giant pile of chaos out of my brain into a (hopefully) useful/understandable format. I get a little spark of joy every time someone finds it useful 😃 Best of luck on your studies!

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Awful.  I took two full-timed practice exams (School of PE and Complex Imaginary) and got 80% and 79%.  Not great and those are easier problems compared to others I have.  Then last weekend I took the Eng Pro Guides full exam and scored 58%.  

I went back to look at some drill problems I worked on a week ago and I honestly couldn't remember doing some of them.  

I think I just need to keep working through more problems and just keep going but honestly I don't feel good about the whole thing at the moment.

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2 hours ago, Chattaneer PE said:

How's the studying going?

I'm going through Glover right now and working some of those problems. I was happy with how much I was remembering after taking a year long break. The plan is to complete one of the Complex Imaginary exams on Sunday so I have a better gauge of where I'm at.

FINGERS CROSSED!!! 

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3 minutes ago, MEtoEE said:

I took two full-timed practice exams (School of PE and Complex Imaginary) and got 80% and 79%.

Those aren't bad scores.

3 minutes ago, MEtoEE said:

Then last weekend I took the Eng Pro Guides full exam and scored 58%.

58% Really isn't that bad. What sort of stuff got you caught up? Was it missing little errors?

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3 minutes ago, daydreambeliever said:

I'm going through Glover right now and working some of those problems. I was happy with how much I was remembering after taking a year long break. The plan is to complete one of the Complex Imaginary exams on Sunday so I have a better gauge of where I'm at.

FINGERS CROSSED!!! 

Good luck. Are you going to do it timed?

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2 minutes ago, MEtoEE said:

Awful.  I took two full-timed practice exams (School of PE and Complex Imaginary) and got 80% and 79%.  Not great and those are easier problems compared to others I have.  Then last weekend I took the Eng Pro Guides full exam and scored 58%.  

I went back to look at some drill problems I worked on a week ago and I honestly couldn't remember doing some of them.  

I think I just need to keep working through more problems and just keep going but honestly I don't feel good about the whole thing at the moment.

Were you consistently having trouble in certain topics or was it all over the board? If it is certain topics maybe you need to spend some time studying those. 

I'm typically all over the board and get overwhelmed with the amount of topics that i feel I'm struggling with. This time around I'm going to try to reel it in. My plan is to make lists of the topics I need to work on once I do a practice test then work on them one at a time. This is something you may already be doing. I tried last time but I like I said I would get overwhelmed and jump from one topic to the next too quickly I think.

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4 minutes ago, Chattaneer PE said:

Are you going to do it timed?

That's the plan. I don't remember the Complex Imaginary Practice Exams ever taking a full 8 eight hours. Last time around when I finished all the problems I would just stop and check solutions. This time if I finish early I'm going to spend time looking for errors and checking work like I would do on test day.

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I have the solutions manuals to Chapman and Saadat (and main book) if anyone needs them.

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6 minutes ago, Chattaneer PE said:

Those aren't bad scores.

58% Really isn't that bad. What sort of stuff got you caught up? Was it missing little errors?

Just now, daydreambeliever said:

Were you consistently having trouble in certain topics or was it all over the board? If it is certain topics maybe you need to spend some time studying those. 

I'm typically all over the board and get overwhelmed with the amount of topics that i feel I'm struggling with. This time around I'm going to try to reel it in. My plan is to make lists of the topics I need to work on once I do a practice test then work on them one at a time. This is something you may already be doing. I tried last time but I like I said I would get overwhelmed and jump from one topic to the next too quickly I think.

I would say it was a little bit of everything.  It was similar to what I went through last year.  I did well on codes and a few items actually came back to me.  There are a few problems where I thought I understood the concept but I wasn't using the right formulas (using line voltage instead of phase voltage, for example).  One problem I actually did correctly but was making a calculator error, and I mean a simple one.  I didn't finish the test in time to back and make the correction.  

I'm scheduled to take another timed exam on Saturday (CI #2), but I'm wondering if I should go back through the Eng Pro Guides exam, index all the problems I missed and see which sections I did poorest on and do some more review work instead of a timed exam on Saturday.  

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2 minutes ago, daydreambeliever said:

That's the plan. I don't remember the Complex Imaginary Practice Exams ever taking a full 8 eight hours. Last time around when I finished all the problems I would just stop and check solutions. This time if I finish early I'm going to spend time looking for errors and checking work like I would do on test day.

Yes.  CI doesn't usually take 8 hours, but Eng Pro Guides took 8 hours and I didn't finish it with enough time to check a simple mistake I made.

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1 minute ago, MEtoEE said:

using line voltage instead of phase voltage

I would work drill after drill after drill on this. 

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2 minutes ago, MEtoEE said:

but Eng Pro Guides took 8 hours

Yeah Eng Pro Guide goes way deeper than CI. I have written in my schedule (that I left on my desk at home) when I'm going to do the Eng Pro Guide Exam, I think it's a few weeks out.

 

5 minutes ago, MEtoEE said:

I'm wondering if I should go back through the Eng Pro Guides exam, index all the problems I missed and see which sections I did poorest on and do some more review work instead of a timed exam on Saturday. 

I know everyone has different studying techniques but that's what I'm going to try to do when I know I need to work on something. Getting all the references I have and YouTubing anything I can on the topic.

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16 hours ago, Chattaneer PE said:

How's the studying going?

Okay.

Saturday was a wash since I got called into work, but Im making some good progress though Zach's course. It's taking longer than I expected, but I've been taking pretty detailed notes, and hit a few havent-seen-in-a-decade topics this week. 

I feel a bajillion times better about phasor diagrams than I did last week, so that's a win!

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How are you guys doing? Are you taking breaks to let your brain digest new information? If you're feeling burned out, take a day or two off - it's better for your brain. 

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I'm doing ok.  I took a break from doing a timed practice exam and just went back through the Eng Pro Guides Full Exam.  I went over stuff I missed, but also took an index sheet (Zach Stone calls it an index sheet.  Really it's a list of problems/sections you've missed so you can go back and review) and wrote down WHY I missed the problem.  That way I can keep track of not only what I'm missing, but why.  For example, the following may be a few reasons why I missed a problem.

1.  Calculator error.  The WORST mistake.  Not only is it careless and preventable, but I actually knew 100% how to do the problem, but not having my answer match any the choices so I started doubting my knowledge of the topic.  Went around in circles before finally giving up on the problem.  I wasted time as well as got the problem wrong. I guess slowing down a bit helps but hard to do sometimes under pressure.

2.  Completely not knowing where to begin or understand what the question is asking.  This is where I need to review a topic from multiple sources (class notes/videos or even YouTube videos).  The diode/rectifier problems and some of the economics problems were this way at first.

3.  Understanding the problem and knowing how to go about the solution, but getting one thing wrong, like mutliplying or dividing by sq rt 3, adding or subtracting 30 degrees for leading or lagging, etc.  These kind of issues I"m finding it's helpful to do drill problem after drill problem to ingrain the right habits and learn how to make the right phasor or single circuit equivalent diagrams to keep everything straight.

4.  A qualitative question in which 3 answers all seem to make sense, or none of them do.  One trick is finding two answers that are opposites so you can at least narrow it down to 50-50.  In the past (during review) I would write down not only the right answer, but why the others were wrong.  This helped me on the last actual exam, just not as much as I would have liked.  

I have 4 days where I study (one of them being a timed 8-hour practice exam) and 3 days where I don't.  I never take two days off in a row and I never study more than 2 days in a row.  I think this is good for balance. 

Going on these boards and looking at other problems people post helps too.  I have others who PM me problems and that helps.  I greatly appreciate everyone's help on here.  

 

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I completed CI practice exam 1 yesterday. I scored a 70. I was happy with how much I was remembering but nervous about some of the simple errors I made. Those are really the first problems I've worked outside of circuits so I'm hoping that once I really start digging in I make some big strides. I know that if I would have taken EngPro Guide, Zach's or the NCEES practice exam it would have been disastrous!

I made the well known sq. rt. 3 error on one problem 

Had my calculator in rads instead of degrees at one point

There was a TCC problem. I found the correct multiple of pickup but as I was following the line up my eyes skipped to the neighboring line which gave me the incorrect time dial setting. 

I didn't replicate testing conditions exactly. I got a late start and wanted to get home for dinner so I finished up a couple hours early. I'm hoping that if I would have spent time checking my work I would have found some of the simple errors. 

I'm also notoriously bad about reading a problem, then immediately start punching numbers in my calculator, finding an answer and writing it down without showing my work. In order to go back and check myself I need to get out of that habit.

Plan is to study around 2 hours Mon-Wed., have a long study session on either Friday, Saturday or Sunday. It's all on the calendar so now it's time to just dig my heels in for the next few months. 

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Had my calculator in rads instead of degrees at one point

Last summer I was doing a timed practice exam, and my calculator literally "froze".  I have the Ti-36X Pro and it has a factory default "reset" button on the back.  A simple press with the pencil and I was back in business.  However, it defaulted to radians and took me a while to get it back to all the settings I wanted.  Would have cost me a few mins and possible error on the actual exam.  I ended up buying a backup calculator and making sure both were set to identical preferred settings.  

I'm also notoriously bad about reading a problem, then immediately start punching numbers in my calculator, finding an answer and writing it down without showing my work. In order to go back and check myself I need to get out of that habit.

This can happen with simple ratio problems such as finding turns ratio on a CT, or being asked what the current reading is on a CT.  Easy to do.  Best to flag the problem, come back to it later and re-read the problem.  

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33 minutes ago, MEtoEE said:

I ended up buying a backup calculator and making sure both were set to identical preferred settings. 

I use the Casio fx-115es plus and I have a backup as well. When I took the FE I needed to use the integrate function for a problem. It was taking the calculator a VERY long time to compute. I started freaking out then remembered I had a back up. I was able to get through 2 different problems with my backup before my other calculator finished the integration. My heart was racing for a quick second. I will never take this exam without a backup!!!!

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1 hour ago, daydreambeliever said:

I use the Casio fx-115es plus and I have a backup as well. When I took the FE I needed to use the integrate function for a problem. It was taking the calculator a VERY long time to compute. I started freaking out then remembered I had a back up. I was able to get through 2 different problems with my backup before my other calculator finished the integration. My heart was racing for a quick second. I will never take this exam without a backup!!!!

I've literally had dreams where one of the following happens:

1.  I start the exam and my calculator is nowhere to be found.

2.  My alarm doesn't go off and I wake up at exactly 8am, too late to get to the exam site.

3.  I go somewhere for lunch after the morning session and some altercation happens (the restaurant gets robbed, I run out of gas, my car breaks down, I fall asleep and wake up two hours later) to where I can't take the second part.

4.  Someone from this board actually knocks on my car door during the halftime break and gets in the passenger side and starts to draw circuit diagrams to help me with a potential problem.

Because of #1, one of my calculators is ALWAYS in the side pocket of the backpack I use to carry around stuff.  That way whatever happens I will always have one calculator with me. The other is in my study room or at work.

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15 hours ago, MEtoEE said:

1.  I start the exam and my calculator is nowhere to be found.

I think I posted this in a thread the last time I took the exam. I was in a fairly small room (maybe 50-75 people) and a guy realized he left his calculator at his apartment. He talked quietly to a proctor about it and left. He didn't make it back in time. All of his references sat there the whole day. Nobody knew that's why he left. Someone would have let him borrow a calculator.

 

11 hours ago, lost4ever_again said:

Any good reference for variable frequency drives and ladder logic?

I know EngPro Guide has a section on ladder logic and VFDs. It's been a while since I've gone through those sections so I'm not sure how deep into the topic he goes. It's a really good reference so if you don't have it already you should definitely get it.

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