To Vaccinate or Not To Vaccinate - that is the question

[Road Guy]

**** a tetanus shot also!

 

[wilheldp_PE]

**** a tetanus shot also!

I only get those if I step on a rusty nail (which happened when I was a kid).

 

[Dleg]

In my job we are required to respond to public health emergencies, yet all we are required to receive are the standard childhood and adult vaccinations. There are plenty more that are available, but required only if you are going in to a situation where that disease is prevalent or in an outbreak (typhoid, yellow fever, etc,) So I think it is not really a serious fear that "200" vaccines will be mandatory for children in the near future. There simply aren't that many pathogens that can't be controlled through standard public health practices (safe drinking water, sewage treatment, mosquito control, garbage collection) and are dangerous enough to warrant a mandatory vaccine. The 200-vaccines in the near future arguments are just smoke screens thrown up by the folks who would refuse even a single vaccine for their children, to make them appear less unreasonable.

 

[csb]

That was the argument the essential oils people were throwing up. You only need clean drinking water and lavender oil to be healthy.

 

[Dexman PE PMP]

 

[Road Guy]

But they blew up the CDC, so they'll never be able to get it approved.

I also heard that Pfizer has the vaccine but they just won't sell it to rick

 

[Dexman PE PMP]

http://boingboing.net/2015/02/08/having-the-brakes-removed-from.html

Scientists may say that brakes save lives, but virtually every car-wreck co-occurs with panicked braking -- did you know that in the old days, cars didn't have brakes?It's true: engine braking was once the norm. And back then, I've heard there were a lot fewer automotive fatalities (and there were none involving brakes, because there weren't any brakes!). Mechanics get paid to service our brakes; they make our cars sick (brakes can warp your rotors) and then charge us money to repair them. Everyone knows that mechanics, as a class, are crooked -- why wouldn't they do this if they could get away with it?

The government wants to force you to have brakes, but brakes or no brakes is a personal decision. Do your research and make your own decision, for you and your family.

So I talked to my Mechanic about taking the brakes off my car and I was disgusted by how poorly he treated me. He accused me of being ignorant, when I was the one that looked up how much rotational torque brakes can put on your rotors. He didn’t even know how much torque a rotor can take before being warped!!! He said “rotors are designed to be compressed, that it isn’t actually a problem” just completely dismissing me.

Then he had the NERVE to say that my personal choice had consequences, that I would affect everyone around me. Well I’ve had it with him, I’m looking for a new mechanic. The problem is that so many mechanics are bought and paid by the automotive industry that ALL of them are insistent about my car having brakes. Most of them won’t even look at my car for other reasons, saying that a brakeless car could cause damage to their shop and other cars. What a bunch of ********, they just don’t like those who believe in alternative braking techniques.

Now of course big government is getting involved, saying that I *MUST* have brakes. That this isn’t just about me, and that I could hurt people. What happened to personal freedom? What happened to liberty?

 

[engineergurl]

http://boingboing.net/2015/02/08/having-the-brakes-removed-from.html

Scientists may say that brakes save lives, but virtually every car-wreck co-occurs with panicked braking -- did you know that in the old days, cars didn't have brakes?It's true: engine braking was once the norm. And back then, I've heard there were a lot fewer automotive fatalities (and there were none involving brakes, because there weren't any brakes!). Mechanics get paid to service our brakes; they make our cars sick (brakes can warp your rotors) and then charge us money to repair them. Everyone knows that mechanics, as a class, are crooked -- why wouldn't they do this if they could get away with it?

The government wants to force you to have brakes, but brakes or no brakes is a personal decision. Do your research and make your own decision, for you and your family.

So I talked to my Mechanic about taking the brakes off my car and I was disgusted by how poorly he treated me. He accused me of being ignorant, when I was the one that looked up how much rotational torque brakes can put on your rotors. He didn’t even know how much torque a rotor can take before being warped!!! He said “rotors are designed to be compressed, that it isn’t actually a problem” just completely dismissing me.

Then he had the NERVE to say that my personal choice had consequences, that I would affect everyone around me. Well I’ve had it with him, I’m looking for a new mechanic. The problem is that so many mechanics are bought and paid by the automotive industry that ALL of them are insistent about my car having brakes. Most of them won’t even look at my car for other reasons, saying that a brakeless car could cause damage to their shop and other cars. What a bunch of ********, they just don’t like those who believe in alternative braking techniques.

Now of course big government is getting involved, saying that I *MUST* have brakes. That this isn’t just about me, and that I could hurt people. What happened to personal freedom? What happened to liberty?

While I get the point in this, it makes no sense. Owning a car is not the same as going to school. If you don't own a car, they won't throw you in jail. Therefor, the regulations are avoidable by choosing not to have car. I don't know, but aren't there laws that say you have to send your kid to school or show that they are being home schooled or something? So they are TELLING you that you HAVE to send your kid to school, but in order to fulfill the requirement, you HAVE to vaccinate your kid.

FYI- my dogs and cats are vaccinated, I am not anti-vax, just get annoyed by all this nonsense from both sides.

 

[csb]

If you don't want to be part of the herd, keep your cows at home.

 

[Dexman PE PMP]

http://boingboing.net/2015/02/08/having-the-brakes-removed-from.html

Scientists may say that brakes save lives, but virtually every car-wreck co-occurs with panicked braking -- did you know that in the old days, cars didn't have brakes?It's true: engine braking was once the norm. And back then, I've heard there were a lot fewer automotive fatalities (and there were none involving brakes, because there weren't any brakes!). Mechanics get paid to service our brakes; they make our cars sick (brakes can warp your rotors) and then charge us money to repair them. Everyone knows that mechanics, as a class, are crooked -- why wouldn't they do this if they could get away with it?

The government wants to force you to have brakes, but brakes or no brakes is a personal decision. Do your research and make your own decision, for you and your family.

So I talked to my Mechanic about taking the brakes off my car and I was disgusted by how poorly he treated me. He accused me of being ignorant, when I was the one that looked up how much rotational torque brakes can put on your rotors. He didn’t even know how much torque a rotor can take before being warped!!! He said “rotors are designed to be compressed, that it isn’t actually a problem” just completely dismissing me.

Then he had the NERVE to say that my personal choice had consequences, that I would affect everyone around me. Well I’ve had it with him, I’m looking for a new mechanic. The problem is that so many mechanics are bought and paid by the automotive industry that ALL of them are insistent about my car having brakes. Most of them won’t even look at my car for other reasons, saying that a brakeless car could cause damage to their shop and other cars. What a bunch of ********, they just don’t like those who believe in alternative braking techniques.

Now of course big government is getting involved, saying that I *MUST* have brakes. That this isn’t just about me, and that I could hurt people. What happened to personal freedom? What happened to liberty?

While I get the point in this, it makes no sense. Owning a car is not the same as going to school. If you don't own a car, they won't throw you in jail. Therefor, the regulations are avoidable by choosing not to have car. I don't know, but aren't there laws that say you have to send your kid to school or show that they are being home schooled or something? So they are TELLING you that you HAVE to send your kid to school, but in order to fulfill the requirement, you HAVE to vaccinate your kid.

FYI- my dogs and cats are vaccinated, I am not anti-vax, just get annoyed by all this nonsense from both sides.

The analogy goes back to owning the car. You don't have to have a car, just like you don't have to have kids. Having either means you have responsibilities.

 

[FLBuff PE]

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[Exengineer]

The only vaccinations I need are rabies--distemper--bordetella.

 

[Road Guy]

Mom flees with son to fight circumcision order

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/trending/jail-looms-for-heather-hironimus-florida-mom-who-fled-with-son-to-fight-circumcision_03062015_

 

[Road Guy]

I'd like to know the rest of the story on that link above

 

[matt267 PE]

They'll have to keep their heads hooded to get away.

 

[Dleg]

This month's National Geographic cover seems to cover this pretty well:

 

[SNAPE/SMOTT PE]

They'll have to keep their heads hooded to get away.

Omg, ha!!!!

 

[Dexman PE PMP]

The public wonders why the US is falling so far behind India and China, but then publicly shames/argues anything science based. It's cool to be a nerd, but apparently not cool to actually know what the f*ck you're talking about.

 

[engineergurl]

 

[Road Guy]

Smh