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I just don't know how you "engineers" (so called) buy vehicles that you can't disassemble easily

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Just being able to take the doors off and fold the roof down doesn't count.

 
technically I have to get 2 of my 3 teenagers to lift up and remove the top (its not just fold down) ;)

 
I very nearly bought a used Cadillac DTS just for this reason after I had one as a rental.  Nothing beats getting out of a leather seat after a 3 hour drive and having your bits feeling so fresh.
Why can't any cars nowadays that are NOT the bare bones trim have cloth seats?  I love cloth seats.

 
Because of kids. In which case cloth seats is an exercise in futility. :thumbs:
Shhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttt... I have melted crayon in my wife's car from when our boys were younger.  Don't care.  Seats are still comfy as can be.  Keeping up with leather is a pain in the ass (pun intended) and is hot as fug in the summer.

 
Shhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttt... I have melted crayon in my wife's car from when our boys were younger.  Don't care.  Seats are still comfy as can be.  Keeping up with leather is a pain in the ass (pun intended) and is hot as fug in the summer.
Are you kidding?  All the milk my kids spilled would still be there if it weren't for the leather.

 
Leather definitely helped when the kids were young

I don’t have it them on the jeep and I have been meaning to get some type of seat covers since I mainly spill my coffee and beer while driving around..

My daughter just got her drivers license yesterday. So now I have two extra drivers in the house!

I am trying to find her an old (like 90-94) Jeep wrangler for her, mainly I liked that model and can work on pretty easily..

Insurance for her was only an extra $500 a year (compared to the boy who was like an extra $900 a year almost) – GD discrimination!

But they are both paying most of their insurance…

 
We won't buy a car without leather because of the kids. Cloth just sucks trying to keep clean.

Why that timeframe for the Jeep? If I remember correctly, those were still rocking carburetors and weren't always reliable. If you look at a 94+, then you get the fuel injected 4.0 which was one of the greatest engine blocks ever created. 

 
Leather definitely helped when the kids were young

I don’t have it them on the jeep and I have been meaning to get some type of seat covers since I mainly spill my coffee and beer while driving around..

My daughter just got her drivers license yesterday. So now I have two extra drivers in the house!

I am trying to find her an old (like 90-94) Jeep wrangler for her, mainly I liked that model and can work on pretty easily..

Insurance for her was only an extra $500 a year (compared to the boy who was like an extra $900 a year almost) – GD discrimination!

But they are both paying most of their insurance…
The YJ Jeeps were 87-95. All the parts are interchangeable. Personally I think they are the best ones. Plenty of parts still available at good prices. Plus, like you said they are very easy to work on. I had an 88. Loved that jeep but the 14 miles per gallon sucked when I had a 50 mile commute. Sold it and bought a Corrola for the gas mileage. 

 
^^^ If you make the kids buy their own gas, shitty gas mileage will limit how much "cruising" they'll be able to do.

 
Will defin look for the 4.0.

I had a 94 and that was a favorite of mine - I liked it way better than the TJ.

They have a limited radius of how far they can go so they will generally go a while on a tank of gas...

 
I changed the oil in our cars yesterday and in checking the air filters I found sunflower seed shells in the airbox of the Jeep, lots of maple seeds in the airbox of the Aveo, and the airbox of my wife's Versa was stuffed with chewed up napkins, string and mouse fur.  The intake manifold of the Jeep had a bunch of mouse droppings on it too.

The good news is I saw a feral kitten hanging out under my Jeep this morning, so hopefully it'll take care of the problem.

The bad news is we have feral kittens now.

 
I changed the oil in our cars yesterday and in checking the air filters I found sunflower seed shells in the airbox of the Jeep, lots of maple seeds in the airbox of the Aveo, and the airbox of my wife's Versa was stuffed with chewed up napkins, string and mouse fur.  The intake manifold of the Jeep had a bunch of mouse droppings on it too.

The good news is I saw a feral kitten hanging out under my Jeep this morning, so hopefully it'll take care of the problem.

The bad news is we have feral kittens now.
All of those things are also in my washer after the kid does laundry. 

 
If I owned some property I would definitely have some cats around, just feed them barely enough to hang around but not enough so that they're not too full to eat mice!

 
There was a coyote in the back yard last night, so I'm not sure how long the kittens will be around.

 
unrelated to this - but a woman my daughter rides horses at keeps a donkey around because she said they keep away the coyotes and mountain lions.

I had asked her how she kept all her "free range" chickens and cats around being so close to the foothills and that's when she said he got the donkey, just thought it was interesting (not advocating you get an ass!)

 
That is interesting. I'd never heard that!  I wonder if they'll keep bears away?

 
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