NFL 2017

[Ble_PE]

Then they'll just think he's a crazy old Roy Moore fan...

I highly doubt anybody will remember Roy Moore in 40 years.

 

[Dexman PE PMP]

I highly doubt anybody will remember Roy Moore in 40 years.

Fair enough. I doubt anyone will remember him in 40 days...

 

[Ble_PE]

Fair enough. I doubt anyone will remember him in 40 days...

We probably will because he'll still be refusing to concede.

 

[knight1fox3]

@csb, I seriously think that someone from the league office has put a bounty out on Davante Adams. :blink:

What a cheap shot...<smh>

 

[Ble_PE]

^The linebacker in me loves that type of hit because I know that receivers were always quick to crack block down on me any chance they got back in the day, but you can't hit like this any more. It won't be long until football as we grew up knowing it is gone.

 

[MA_PE]

did any of you guys watch the Pats/Steelers game yesterday....wow what an unbelievable finish.

 

[akwooly]

@csb, I seriously think that someone from the league office has put a bounty out on Davante Adams. :blink:

What a cheap shot...<smh>

Seriously?  But that was a cheap shot. 

 

[csb]

@knight1fox3 This is the second hit like this on Tae Adams this year and it's awful to see. He's my favorite player on the team this year and he's really coming into his own and then this happens...again. At least in this instance the offending player looked genuinely sorry about what had happened. 

 

[Road Guy]

for the record I would have handled the 1st down call the same way the ref did last night in the Steelers / Cowgirls game, straight edge and a piece of paper!

 

[Ble_PE]

@knight1fox3 This is the second hit like this on Tae Adams this year and it's awful to see. He's my favorite player on the team this year and he's really coming into his own and then this happens...again. At least in this instance the offending player looked genuinely sorry about what had happened. 

Thomas Davis (the guy who hit Adams) is a stand up guy. He's been with the Panthers his whole career and I have never heard a bad thing said about the guy. He made a mistake on this play leading with his head and like you said, you can tell it upset him. It's so easy to criticize these guys from the stands or from our couches at home, but in reality you don't have much time to judge how you're going to hit somebody when you're both running at each other like that, especially at the speed that NFL players play at. That's not to say that there aren't dirty players out there that look for opportunities to hurt people because there always have been and there always will be. TD is not one of these.

 

[csb]

Thomas Davis (the guy who hit Adams) is a stand up guy. He's been with the Panthers his whole career and I have never heard a bad thing said about the guy. He made a mistake on this play leading with his head and like you said, you can tell it upset him. It's so easy to criticize these guys from the stands or from our couches at home, but in reality you don't have much time to judge how you're going to hit somebody when you're both running at each other like that, especially at the speed that NFL players play at. That's not to say that there aren't dirty players out there that look for opportunities to hurt people because there always have been and there always will be. TD is not one of these.

Yeah, I don't think a Walter Payton Man of the Year would purposefully take a dirty hit. It's just the second of it's kind to Adams and the first one was definitely dirty. 

 

[knight1fox3]

Thomas Davis (the guy who hit Adams) is a stand up guy. He's been with the Panthers his whole career and I have never heard a bad thing said about the guy. He made a mistake on this play leading with his head and like you said, you can tell it upset him. It's so easy to criticize these guys from the stands or from our couches at home, but in reality you don't have much time to judge how you're going to hit somebody when you're both running at each other like that, especially at the speed that NFL players play at. That's not to say that there aren't dirty players out there that look for opportunities to hurt people because there always have been and there always will be. TD is not one of these.

Yeah, I don't think a Walter Payton Man of the Year would purposefully take a dirty hit. It's just the second of it's kind to Adams and the first one was definitely dirty. 

While I can sympathize (only slightly) that he MAY HAVE NOT intended to hit the way he did, let's not put this guy up on the podium just yet. Let's remember that he is a repeat offender and has been fined by the league for other head-hunting attempts. There's incidental contact, and then there's intentional, unnecessary helmet-to-helmet injury. From the replay, I think it's pretty clear which decision DAVIS CHOSE. And if people claim he is such a stand-up player, then why does he continue to engage in tackling by leading with his head?! I'm sure I don't have to re-iterate that typically only ends one way. NOT GOOD!

 

[Ble_PE]

While I can sympathize (only slightly) that he MAY HAVE NOT intended to hit the way he did, let's not put this guy up on the podium just yet. Let's remember that he is a repeat offender and has been fined by the league for other head-hunting attempts. There's incidental contact, and then there's intentional, unnecessary helmet-to-helmet injury. From the replay, I think it's pretty clear which decision DAVIS CHOSE. And if people claim he is such a stand-up player, then why does he continue to engage in tackling by leading with his head?! I'm sure I don't have to re-iterate that typically only ends one way. NOT GOOD!

Honestly, to me it looks like a guy running up to make a block with his shoulder and instead making contact with his head first. Like I said, it's easy to judge these guys, but you saying that Davis chose to hit with his head just shows a complete lack of understanding of the speed that these things are happening. Trust me, you don't have time to think "I'm going to hit this guy in the head with my head" before making that play. You don't even know where that guys head is going to be by the time you meet up. You are making a judgement based on his movement and yours to determine where you are going to meet and you don't have time to change your position at the last minute. I know that people don't like to admit this day in age, but in football you're going to get hit in the head sometimes and sometimes you're going to hit someone else in the head. It doesn't mean you targeted them or that you were targeted, it just happens. 

 

[knight1fox3]

Like I said, it's easy to judge these guys, but you saying that Davis chose to hit with his head just shows a complete lack of understanding of the speed that these things are happening. Trust me, you don't have time to think 

Then I think you underestimate the power of the human mind, as I respectfully disagree. I played line backer in HS, and I absolutely had time to make a split decision as to the way I was going to hit a defender. And it certainly did not start with MY HEAD. Furthermore, there are sports analysts, most of which who are intimate with the game in some fashion, who are saying he had time to make a better decision and instead chose to make a dirty hit. And these are people who know FAR MORE about the game of football than either you or I do.

I know that people don't like to admit this day in age, but in football you're going to get hit in the head sometimes and sometimes you're going to hit someone else in the head. It doesn't mean you targeted them or that you were targeted, it just happens. 

Agreed. Hence my point above. There's incidental contact, and then there's intentional contact when it comes to head-to-head. 

 

[Ble_PE]

Then I think you underestimate the power of the human mind, as I respectfully disagree. I played line backer in HS, and I absolutely had time to make a split decision as to the way I was going to hit a defender. And it certainly did not start with MY HEAD. Furthermore, there are sports analysts, most of which who are intimate with the game in some fashion, who are saying he had time to make a better decision and instead chose to make a dirty hit. And these are people who know FAR MORE about the game of football than either you or I do.

Agreed. Hence my point above. There's incidental contact, and then there's intentional contact when it comes to head-to-head. 

I played LB in high school and Division 1 and let me tell you that you cannot appreciate the difference in speed between the two unless you actually play in both. The NFL is the same step up from college as college is from high school. I believe you give yourself way too much credit for how quickly you can make a decision. As I watched the slow motion replay earlier, I see Adams turn his shoulders toward the runner right when Davis is about to make contact, changing the area of the body that Davis had been going to hit. It opened up his head to the hit instead of his shoulder. Davis should have been lower than he was when making his contact, and that would have probably saved the helmet to helmet hit, but I still don't believe he was targeting and I don't believe he could have changed his hit. 

 

[knight1fox3]

Agree to disagree. Davis had a pretty good chunk of field before he even got to Adams. I see no reason he had to go airborne for that hit. I was taught to tackle by wrapping someone up. Not by launching myself through the air in hopes I make contact and the other guy goes down. I'd be more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt if he weren't a repeat offender and already reprimanded by the league for head-hunting.

 

[Ble_PE]

Agree to disagree. Davis had a pretty good chunk of field before he even got to Adams. I see no reason he had to go airborne for that hit. I was taught to tackle by wrapping someone up. Not by launching myself through the air in hopes I make contact and the other guy goes down. I'd be more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt if he weren't a repeat offender and already reprimanded by the league for head-hunting.

Except he wasn't tackling, he was blocking. Again, he hit him in the head illegally and is getting punished for it and that's fine, but he wasn't targeting in my opinion. 

 

[knight1fox3]

Except he wasn't tackling, he was blocking. Again, he hit him in the head illegally and is getting punished for it and that's fine, but he wasn't targeting in my opinion. 

That we can agree on, that I also don't think he singled out Adams specifically. Just too bad he couldn't have hit a differently/lower.

'Tis a rough sport...

 

[Audi Driver P.E.]

Yeah, I don't think a Walter Payton Man of the Year would purposefully take a dirty hit. It's just the second of it's kind to Adams and the first one was definitely dirty. 

Well, look at what that trashy Michael Bennett did in the final few minutes of the game against the Titans.  I have no idea how Bennett got nominated for that award.

 

[Supe]

Made it to my Fantasy Championship game.  Its me vs. my coworker/race partner's wife.  Both projected to be dead nuts even.  She has way better RB's, so I'm going to need some big games and a little luck to pull it off.