I had never heard of it prior to your post. It seems like it might be useful, but I would make sure you know how to do the type of problem from the NCEES practice exams before branching out into that. As a bonus, it looks like it is available for only 17 bucks or so. Compared to other references that is pretty cheap.Hey everyone, I'm new to this forum; and have been preparing for the April ME-TF exam for April 16. I have a question. Has anyone found the Schaum's TF or Fluids manual helpful for preparation or during the exam?
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I have some great advice for you - if you show up on April 16th you won't do very well. You'll do much better if you show up on April 15th......Hey everyone, I'm new to this forum; and have been preparing for the April ME-TF exam for April 16. I have a question. Has anyone found the Schaum's TF or Fluids manual helpful for preparation or during the exam?
Thanks
I took TF exam and passed. Exactly same as you. I expected AM problems would be easy, but felt harder than expected. Hence I was so disappointed and during lunch time I called my wife and said "I think I would fail because normally PM problems are harder. But my wife told me "never give up!". I was little bit surprised as I felt so comfortable with PM problems and just went through. Finally I found only 2 problems are left blank on answer sheets!I was so nervous in the morning. First couple of questions threw me off but after that I remember I answered next 28 questions straight and came back to solve the questions I missed, found some of the problems were so simple I missed those just being paranoid. Finished 30 minutes early and stayed till the end to check my answers and made sure I filled all the bubbles correctly Anyway I was not overly satisfied with my AM performance. I thought I could do better. Plus common consensus is that AM is easier than PM, so I thought I was in trouble.
I expected PM to be harder, but I felt more comfortable with PM. I just flew through most of the problems. Definitely the problems were longer and requires more steps to solve but the solution path were easy to see. After my first round I just had 3 or 4 problems left to answer. Finished the exam 20 minutes early and did recheck everything within the timeframe. After the exam I felt pretty good about passing.
Sounds like you need to work more problems. Work them until you get faster at them.October 2016 will be my 3rd time taking the TF exam. 58% the first time and 69% the second. I've never been a strong test taker so I'm hoping 3rd time is the charm. I have taken Houston Testmasters class twice now, I felt this prepared me well for the AM portion but none whatsoever for the PM. I have the 2001, 2008, and 2011 NCEES practice exam, MERM, Lindbergh unit conversion book, SMS. Time was the biggest factor for me, I am slow at reading and solving problems!!! Any tips on how to get faster? I'm hoping to get started studying again after vacation I have planned end of July. Thanks everyone for all the insight.
For the alternate route on the MSM 6MS, I think I misworded my intentions earlier. I would NOT advise doing the 6MS without utilizing the MERM. I simply would not read over the MERM prior to starting the 6MS, start cold with both books but definitely use the MERM to help solve the 6MS problems. The 6MS helps you to use the MERM index to locate the formulas you need, much more so than doing the MERM companion problems which follow the MERM chapter by chapter.6. Begin by working the 6MS book. Do not be afraid to look at the answers if getting stuck the first time through. While working the 6MS, find the formulas in the MERM, highlight them AND record them in notes. If unsure how to work the question, read the solution, find all the equations, and work through it using the solution. Highlight equations in the MERM and in notes for easy reference. Work through the 6MS until getting 100% correct under 8 hours. Bonus points for working through the 6MS in about 4 hours and getting 100%. A lot of it at that point will seem like memorization, it’s OK. While working through the problems, read and understand the methodology. Work the problems over and over again.
a. Alternate route – Work the MSM 6MS book 3 times without opening the MERM. Take the time to learn and understand the approach of every problem. Don’t’ need to take it to mastery, but passing the 6MS in 8 hours is the goal. Flag mistakes and move on. Realistic times per pass = 35 hrs for 1st, 21.5 hrs for 2nd, and 8.5 hrs for 3rd.
As if an 8 hour exam weren't punishment enough! :wacko:Test Day:
Nail it, and then, as one of my Professors used to say, ‘Go pound some Budweisers’.
Good luck!
Hello Tom,Ok, just got word I passed and wanted to write a thank you to Mr. Ram PE for writing this post. I followed this outline with a few tweaks and an added class but I am VERY glad I found this at the beginning of my studies. Anyways, below is my thoughts and changes to the outline. This was my first try at this exam and it proved successful.
My start Date was mid August sometime. Total time was between 150 to 170 hours.
One additional study tool I used was School of PE for the Mechanical PE exam. It was a great refresher for those morning topics but don't expect it to be much help for the afternoon, that is where the below write up kicks in."Here's what worked for me:1. Based on the work I've done daily, as well as the subjects I've studied in Grad school, I knew in advance that I would be taking the Thermal/Fluids. Decide what afternoon session you want to take and focus on that. Do not waste time trying to master all three major disciplines. Thermal and Fluids is my discipline as well, no brainer for me.2. Once I applied and got my letter of approval, I purchased the MERM, Thermal/Fluids Six Minute Solutions, NCEES 2008 practice exam, and NCEES 2001 practice exam. The 2008 exam was updated in 2011. The actual content is the same. The 2008 exam contained all three disciplines. The 2011 book simply split them apart and sold them individually. The NCEES 2001 exam is very difficult to get hold of but well worth the effort and money.
Was not able to get the 2001 exam, but got the rest of these books. One additional MUST have in my opinion was the Lindburg Unit conversion book (2nd most used book at my exam desk). Get it early so you use it during your studies,3. I prepped for this exam with the attitude that it was a one-or-none deal. I was only going to take this exam once. At the time I started prepping for the exam I had a one-year old son to deal with AND I was pursuing a second MS degree. Why am I telling you this? You need buy-in from your spouse/significant other. My wife and parents spent countless hours while I studied late into the night and all day on weekends.
Extremely important, it just became business as usual during the week, home from work, dinner, then books/class until sleep, rinse and repeat. Buy-in from spouse a must.4. I did not read the MERM. I skimmed through the MERM to get a general idea where the sections were located and what information was in the Appendix.
Same5. Copy the MERM appendix and have it bound separately. It will save you a lot of time during the exam and make it much easier during practice. It will also save the life-time of your MERM binding. Print and bind the Index also.
Didn't do the appendix, but did do the index (it was downloadable from PPI). 3rd Most Used Reference at my exam desk. Appendix would have been nice, but I was too lazy to scan it all in.6. I began by working the Six Minute Solutions book. Do not be afraid to look at the answers if you get stuck the first time through. As I was working the SMS, I would find the formulas in the MERM and highlight them AND record them in my notes. If I didn't have a clue how to work the question, I would read the solution, find all the equations, and work through it using the solution. Highlight your equations in the MERM and in your notes for easy reference. I worked through the SMS 7 times before I got 100% correct under 8 hours. In fact, by the time I was at the end of my preparation, I was working through the SMS in about 4 hours and getting 100%. A lot of it at that point will seem like rote memorization, don't be scared of it. As you're working through the problems, read and understand the methodology. Work the problems over and over again.
Agree 100% with this! I worked it about 5 times, by the final time you can almost do every problem in your head. It makes you remember pages in the MERM and what sections will combine with each other for a particular type of problem. I have read a lot of hate about the SMS, it has it's flaws, but I think it is an excellent source for problems that use the equations and chapters that are relevant for the exam.7. Once I completed the SMS, I moved on to the NCEES 2008/2011 exam. Again, I worked this using the same methodology as above. I got 100% correct, under 8 hours after my 5th attempt or so. Use the same method of writing down the equations you did not know and reading the methodology.
Worked this so many times I would know what the next problem was and start solving before a flipped the page. Really helped with memorizing the MERM locations and the problem types.
8. Worked the NCEES 2001 exam using the same approach described in (6) and (7) above. You'll see a lot of posters saying keep an exam to test yourself the last week or so. I found that working as many problems as possible with as much time left to prep was the best strategy.
Did not have this exam, but I would have gotten it if it wasn't 3,000 dollars on the internet. Maybe you can pick one up off this forum.9. Now I moved on to the MERM. I worked all the main sections noted on the NCEES breakdown. Skip the math, project management, plant engineering, statics etc. I worked the Fluids, Heat Transfer, Thermo, HVAC, Machine Design sections. I did NOT work any of the 1-hour time limit problems. I was able to work all the problems in those sections twice. Do not be afraid if you get stuck and need to read through the solutions.
I didn't order the MERM Problems Book until the last 2 weeks before the exam. I went through the sections that pertain to the T&FS and used the solutions a whole lot. Never reached the confidence level that I did with the SMS and the NCEES practice exam because I felt the problems were a little harder. But, do them anyways, at least once. 10. By this time, I had approximately 10 days left before the exam. I worked the SMS and each of the NCEES exams the first three days. I re-worked the MERM problems in the Fluid, Heat Transfer, and Thermo sections.
My last week I worked the SMS and NCEES, Only worked the MERM once.
11. I went through the MERM, using the notes that I made as I studied (here's where the highlighting comes in handy) and tabbed what I felt was important. At this point I knew the MERM and the bound appendix intimately so I didn't feel the need to tab that much. I certainly tabbed the major sections of the MERM and a few diagrams. Follow the now famous Shaggy tabbing method on this site.
I waited until the last week to tab my MERM, but I didn't over-tab, only the most used pages. I wish I did it sooner so I would have been really comfortable with the tabbing for the test but the last week work of studying was sufficient for me to get used to most of the tabs. 12. I took Thursday (the day before the exam) off. I was up early (normal time I leave for work 0500) and did one run through of the SMS, NCEES 2008, and NCEES 2011. I drove to the exam site and ensured I knew where the building was. Then I drove home and packed my bag. I took a back-pack. I took the MERM, the MERM appendix I bound, Steam Tables, Lindeburg conversion book, sample exams, 2 calculators, and ear-plugs. I put my money, approval letter, and ID cards in a zip lock bag. Then I did absolutely nothing exam related the rest of the day. I took my son to play-time, watched a few movies etc.
I worked the SMS & NCEES until about 2pm on Thursday. Packed it up and had a nice afternoon and dinner with the wifey. I took everything mentioned above except the steam tables, used the steam tables in the MERM for my entire prep. In bed by 930, which was terrible because the Patriots were playing thursday night that week...13. Exam day I was up early and went to the site. I finished both sections (AM and PM) with over an hour to spare. I did NOT go through and rate questions etc. I simply worked the questions in order. If I didn't feel satisfied with an answer, or if I had to guess, I put a mark next to it and moved on. At the end, I came back and re-worked the questions I had doubts on. I still left the exam room very early both sessions. I felt that leaving the AM session early and giving myself extra time for lunch allowed me to clear my head and prep for the PM session.
I finished the morning with about 1.5 hours to spare but I stayed in the test center until the end just reassuring that my bubbles were filled in correctly. Felt really good when i went for lunch break, but then used the entire 4 hours for the afternoon section, I wouldn't say it was much harder but there were several problems that I struggled to find the solution path too. I didnt rate questions either, just went one by one, if I spent more than 30 seconds on one and didnt have an idea of a path forward, I starred it and moved on and went back at the end. 14. Went through the now well known process of self-doubt and anger at the lack of timely results.
This was terrible but glad it is over!
Ram's outline is excellent and I would recommend it to any T&FS test taker. If you need the structure to get through the morning exam prep, I would highly recommend the School of PE class. Stick to it and I'm sure you will have a successful career as a PE! Good Luck!
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