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^Your "time to time" has been pretty much constantly since you joined last July. That's being whiny in my book.
But we all know I'm just :deadhorse:
Yea thats ok though, as long as you enjoy beating a dead horse. Thats why you dont kill the horse you just turn a bottle of compressed air upside down and spray it in the eyes, then you have a good time, the JT effect should get it pissed.

 
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What world are you living in? I don't know of any engineers with your experience making $200K. I don't know of any engineers with 20 years experience making $200K (as an engineer). I don't even think the head of my business unit or President of my division is making $200K.
I promise I'm not trying to encourage RP, but I feel like I should say that I know several (20-year) engineers in my industry making that kind of money. HOWEVER, I work in a very specialized industry, and those guys that make that kind of money are generally more willing to travel and work OT than others I know. I'd say Flyer knows some folks in that pay range as well. I'm just trying to say that when RP says that kind of money is out there, he's not wrong, but I do think it is limited (in general) to some specialized fields, and there are some sacrifices (travel, lots of OT) necessary to make it.

 
^Your "time to time" has been pretty much constantly since you joined last July. That's being whiny in my book.
But we all know I'm just :deadhorse:
Yeah thats ok though, as long as you enjoy beating a dead horse. Thats why you don't kill the horse; you just turn a bottle of compressed air upside down and spray it in the eyes. Then you have a good time. The JT effect should get it pissed off.
Corrected.

 
What world are you living in? I don't know of any engineers with your experience making $200K. I don't know of any engineers with 20 years experience making $200K (as an engineer). I don't even think the head of my business unit or President of my division is making $200K.
I promise I'm not trying to encourage RP, but I feel like I should say that I know several (20-year) engineers in my industry making that kind of money. HOWEVER, I work in a very specialized industry, and those guys that make that kind of money are generally more willing to travel and work OT than others I know. I'd say Flyer knows some folks in that pay range as well. I'm just trying to say that when RP says that kind of money is out there, he's not wrong, but I do think it is limited (in general) to some specialized fields, and there are some sacrifices (travel, lots of OT) necessary to make it.
Agreed. Most of the guys I know in that range are not even PE's. They are highly experienced (20+ years) and still like working the typical 6-12s that goes with the refuel outage schedule or plant recovery. They are also very mobile. The two most often heard terms for them are "road warrior" and "road whore". It's a hard life and they are compensated accordingly. I don't envy them one bit.

 
I am only posting this for people that might stumble upon this thread. I know most of you are licensed so you understand these laws perfectly well:
All the drawings and calculations you do (at least in every state I am familiar with) need to have at the minimum a stamp on them. States differ somewhat, but say you make a preliminary drawing for review, strictly following the rules means you add your stamp, but it would not need to be signed and dated. And really this is a good thing for us licensed engineers, the more a stamp becomes the standard for every design and drawing the better it is to have a license. It effectively raises the bar on engineering work and mostly I agree with it.

However, all record drawings would need a stamp and signature/date.

BUT, if you did not do the design work on a drawing you do not need to stamp it, in fact most states have laws that specifically forbid you to stamp any work that isn't your own. So if you refuse to stamp something you did not do, I can't see the State Board trying to take away your license.
I have never seen anywhere in the statues that requires you to stamp drawings that you worked on (just because I work on a drawing does not mean im ready to stamp it when a project manager says so, I may need time which = a huge fatty raise before the drawings can go forward or someone else can stamp them), I worked on all kinds of drawings as an EIT and obvously I never stamped them. Also the need for more stamping is only good if the stamping engineers are in very short supply and are getting HUGE fatty near 200k wages for it, otherwise its just a liability you are taking on for free so your company can rake it in.

I have never heard of someone loosing there licence for NOT stamping something, I have heard of people loosing there licence FOR stamping something that was unsafe/incorrect/etc. The stamp is there to protect public safety so no stamp no construction no public saftey at risk but more important its leverage over your employer (as long as stamping engineers are more rigourusly required by states AND in short supply).

I would like to hear more about people loosing there licence for NOT stamping something irregardless if they worked on it or not. I will also contact my state board becuase thats a pretty heavy statement.
I mostly disagree, rppearso.

Most state boards are taking the following stance: All engineering drawings need a stamp even preliminary ones. Just like 20 years ago in many states you could have a company providing Engineering services but were not required to have a Licensed Engineer on staff, they changed that in most every state to my knowledge. It is becoming the same with stamped drawings.

There are drawings I have stamped, where I did not do 100% of the design -as I did my part then the EE did his and so therefore we BOTH stamp. I was basically stamping the mechanical portion and him the controls stuff. We do agree however that if you don't design it you don't stamp it. People do this, but it seems epically shortsighted.

And finally if I was your boss, and you tried to weasel a raise out of me before you would stamp a set of drawings (which you designed) I would give your precious money then can you a week later.

 
I am only posting this for people that might stumble upon this thread. I know most of you are licensed so you understand these laws perfectly well:
All the drawings and calculations you do (at least in every state I am familiar with) need to have at the minimum a stamp on them. States differ somewhat, but say you make a preliminary drawing for review, strictly following the rules means you add your stamp, but it would not need to be signed and dated. And really this is a good thing for us licensed engineers, the more a stamp becomes the standard for every design and drawing the better it is to have a license. It effectively raises the bar on engineering work and mostly I agree with it.

However, all record drawings would need a stamp and signature/date.

BUT, if you did not do the design work on a drawing you do not need to stamp it, in fact most states have laws that specifically forbid you to stamp any work that isn't your own. So if you refuse to stamp something you did not do, I can't see the State Board trying to take away your license.
I have never seen anywhere in the statues that requires you to stamp drawings that you worked on (just because I work on a drawing does not mean im ready to stamp it when a project manager says so, I may need time which = a huge fatty raise before the drawings can go forward or someone else can stamp them), I worked on all kinds of drawings as an EIT and obvously I never stamped them. Also the need for more stamping is only good if the stamping engineers are in very short supply and are getting HUGE fatty near 200k wages for it, otherwise its just a liability you are taking on for free so your company can rake it in.

I have never heard of someone loosing there licence for NOT stamping something, I have heard of people loosing there licence FOR stamping something that was unsafe/incorrect/etc. The stamp is there to protect public safety so no stamp no construction no public saftey at risk but more important its leverage over your employer (as long as stamping engineers are more rigourusly required by states AND in short supply).

I would like to hear more about people loosing there licence for NOT stamping something irregardless if they worked on it or not. I will also contact my state board becuase thats a pretty heavy statement.
I mostly disagree, rppearso.

Most state boards are taking the following stance: All engineering drawings need a stamp even preliminary ones. Just like 20 years ago in many states you could have a company providing Engineering services but were not required to have a Licensed Engineer on staff, they changed that in most every state to my knowledge. It is becoming the same with stamped drawings.

There are drawings I have stamped, where I did not do 100% of the design -as I did my part then the EE did his and so therefore we BOTH stamp. I was basically stamping the mechanical portion and him the controls stuff. We do agree however that if you don't design it you don't stamp it. People do this, but it seems epically shortsighted.

And finally if I was your boss, and you tried to weasel a raise out of me before you would stamp a set of drawings (which you designed) I would give your precious money then can you a week later.
Hey 200k to stamp some drawings I could afford to be laid off for a little while, if I had to extort the raise I would want it all up front or I would just walk out without stamping them. Of course in reality I would tell you up front if I were being paid enough to perform the function of a stamper or not and if we agreed that I would not stamp but would be acting as an EIT and someone else would stamp thats fine. If after everything was done you wanted me to stamp then there would be a problem and I would defer to the top sentence, in that case it would be your fault though.

 
If you "extort" your employer, then you will be walking out of a lot of places. If you plan on "selling your stamp", I see a non-pleasant run-in with your state licensure board in the not too distant future. What you are talking about is not only unethical, it is also illegal in several states. Regardless of whether you designed what was on the drawing yourself, oversaw the design, or just reviewed it after it was done, it is illegal to get paid solely for putting your stamp on a drawing.

 
Bottom line. This guy is a joke. No one can be so arrogant and ignorant at the same time.
If that were the case (keep in mind that is just your opinion), but if your statement were true that means that a computer would have to be generating these posts without any human input.

 
Bottom line. This guy is a joke. No one can be so arrogant and ignorant at the same time.
If that were the case (keep in mind that is just your opinion), but if your statement were true that means that a computer would have to be generating these posts without any human input.
Dude, you are a trip. I can't understand about half the stuff you write. I have no idea what this comment means. But I have to admit it is entertaining.

 
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I enjoy rppearso's posts. Without them, there wouldn't be half the entertainment this Board is currently offering.

I usually understand what he is trying to say, too. That's a little scary. I don't agree with it at all, but I understand it.

(must be from all my time working with all those "third world engineers". LOL)

 
I enjoy rppearso's posts. Without them, there wouldn't be half the entertainment this Board is currently offering.
I usually understand what he is trying to say, too. That's a little scary. I don't agree with it at all, but I understand it.

(must be from all my time working with all those "third world engineers". LOL)
There are acutally some really good 3rd world engineers but they usually dont go back if they are in fact good. The last post was a joke, if there are no people this dumb and this arrogant then that means that no human person could be typing these messages therefore some sort of AI/automated software must be generating these messages. Anyways I have to get back to advanced engineering math.

 
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Yah no sh!t! The trolling downriggers were singing yesterday!

2) The engineer has multiple personalities and some other personality did the design. it would be unethical to stamp another personality's work, since it isn't yours.
I've wondered this lately...if you have mulitiple personalities, would you necessarily know? and thus if you did, wouldn't you be able to count the other pesonality's area of expertise avoiding 'working outside of your area'? but then would you know where the other personality keeps his stamp....or would you use your own...?

 
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I have never seen anywhere in the statues that requires you to stamp drawings that you worked on (just because I work on a drawing does not mean im ready to stamp it when a project manager says so, I may need time which = a huge fatty raise before the drawings can go forward or someone else can stamp them), I worked on all kinds of drawings as an EIT and obvously I never stamped them.
I would wholeheartedly terminate you for that before you could even start with any BS excuse of why you're not ready to stamp your work.

As a EIT, yes you did plans, specs, etc... then passed it on to your PE to stamp and take responsibility for those stamped plans, specs, etc... When you passed on your work as an EIT you were passing on work that had been completed to your best ability and to your knowledge, was stamp worthy.

Now your a PE and can stamp your work. Are you now telling me that the work you do now is not stamp worthy, or you don't know what stamp worthy is, or that it's not your best effort, any excuse that you pull from your bag of tricks can be considered as a regression in your ability to do your job as per your work description (even if your description says nothing about you stampnig your own work), and a regression in your ability to do your work per your job description is legal grounds for termination in any state, unless of course the regression is due to being legally impaired/disabled... which now that I think about it all the PEs I've worked with could be considered legally retarded so I guess you can't get fired.

 
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a huge fatty raise

For some reason, every time rppearso talks about getting a "huge fatty raise" I imagine he's talking about pot....

Which if that were the case, at least he'd have an excuse for his nonsensical ramblings.

 
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