October 2017 15K, or get Matt267 PE banned, SPAM thread

[DoctorWho-PE]

6 spams and I go home.

 

[DoctorWho-PE]

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[DoctorWho-PE]

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[DoctorWho-PE]

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[DoctorWho-PE]

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[DoctorWho-PE]

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[DoctorWho-PE]

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[DoctorWho-PE]

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[DoctorWho-PE]

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[DoctorWho-PE]

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[DoctorWho-PE]

Now I can go.

 

[knight1fox3]

Uhm, it was about 3%?    Smallest  COL increase in the 5 years I've been here.  I would think that in a civil field, where licensed professionals seal drawings regularly it would be more of a incentive to keep your newly minted Engineers at your company more than anything.  My issue is that I'm stuck at the level I am at until I get my PE.  And that burns.  Especially since I'm not in my 20's anymore, and I don't have 40 years of career left.  Partly my issue for later in life career change, but also have several years of experience in a related field.

That's generally the industry standard merit increase in just about every engineering field.

My issue is that I'm stuck at the level I am at until I get my PE.  And that burns.  Especially since I'm not in my 20's anymore, and I don't have 40 years of career left.  Partly my issue for later in life career change, but also have several years of experience in a related field.

And there's nothing stopping you from looking for employment elsewhere. You're never going to get that big pay day with merit/annual raises. Based the research I did back when I was job searching, a number of recruiters and talent acquisition companies indicated that you're going to get your biggest salary bumps by changing employers every 5-6 years. Now that can be difficult if living in a remote or lightly populated area. It can also be difficult if you really like what you do for a certain employer. In the last 12 years, I've changed jobs 3 times and have been able to secure a cumulative 50% increase from my out-of-school starting salary. If I were to do the same with merit increases (say at the nat'l avg of 3%), it would take 16 or more years assuming the same employer.

If they don't plan to reward you then they should not expect you to obtain it then.  It is an expectation that engineers be on a licensure track, so I think it should be an expectation that once said achievement is unlocked there should be SOME kind of incentive.

Agreed (from my statement above). But to say it is an expectation of all engineers is simply incorrect. I have plenty of engineering colleagues across a good number of disciplines who do very well with their respective employer and they have no need for licensure. As mentioned, only if there is some measurable added value for an employer, should there be some type of incentive. Otherwise the desire is simply not there.

 

[DoctorWho-PE]

That's generally the industry standard merit increase in just about every engineering field.  Agreed.

And there's nothing stopping you from looking for employment elsewhere. You're never going to get that big pay day with merit/annual raises. Based the research I did back when I was job searching, a number of recruiters and talent acquisition companies indicated that you're going to get your biggest salary bumps by changing employers every 5-6 years. Now that can be difficult if living in a remote or lightly populated area. It can also be difficult if you really like what you do for a certain employer. In the last 12 years, I've changed jobs 3 times and have been able to secure a cumulative 50% increase from my out-of-school starting salary. If I were to do the same with merit increases (say at the nat'l avg of 3%), it would take 16 or more years assuming the same employer.  At 5 years I am sitting at around the same, a bit less because it gets a bit fuzzy with internship rolled in... from internship to fulltime I got a 20% raise, and one year I got an 11% raise.  All at the same job. I think that is why the 3% burns a little.

I'm just grumpy today.  And that did not help.

 

[knight1fox3]

I'm just grumpy today.  And that did not help.

I can relate to having grumpy days. Sorry if I added to it. As mentioned above, this just happens to be a topic I'm quite passionate about. 

I can appreciate the level of sting given your 20 and 11% bumps from previous years. But as I probably don't have to tell you, consider yourself lucky with those, they come few and far between. And I can tell you once you get to the 6-figure level, you're unlikely to really ever see anything more than 5% on a good year. Unless transitioning to some type of executive level.

Ok, I'll shut up now. Hope you have a less grumpy evening. :thumbs:

 

[akwooly]

man this is heavy

 

[NJmike PE]

man this is heavy

Is there something wrong with the earth's gravitational pull?

 

[knight1fox3]

 

[CTOD]

Was it straight nothing or a small percentage as a merit increase? If so, what was the % if you don't mind my asking?

Engineers shouldn't automatically assume they deserve a raise for obtaining a PE license. Especially if it does not provide any extra value to the company. 

I worked for a company like that when I first got my PE. And I had to schedule a panel meeting and demonstrate why I felt a raise was deserved and what kind of additional responsibilities I would be taking on to warrant my request. In the end, I was able to negotiate a 10% raise. A couple years later I ended up leaving that company for consulting and a nice 20% bump.

In my opinion, you are only what you think you are worth to an employer. One cannot assume your employer will assume that you are automatically worth more. An employer will typically try to pay as little as possible for an employee. Especially if they can easily replace you. But if you demonstrate extreme value and an irreplaceable skill set, then you have bargaining power.

:2cents:

I never assumed I would get a raise for getting my PE, I knew that wan't on the table the day I decided to take it. I was simply stating that it's nice that the possibility is there for those in a field where a PE directly benefits the company. I agree with you.

More bird gifs please. 

 

[leggo PE]

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[txjennah PE]

11% raise?!!!! Can I work for whatever company you all do?