You may not think it's okay but it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.
What point?
Not here. And if you have one master electrician you can still have 20 other un licensed people on the jobsite performing work.
You can also show quite a bit of work by licensed professional engineers that resulted in a loss of human life.
Now there is something we can agree on.
What about them?
It's been seen in back-alley abortion clinics, so, yes, I think some "idiots" (your word... not sure why you're being so demeaning) would. Sure, it's Darwinism at work, but we're better than the monkeys, so that just helps to prove my point. If you want a world where only the fittest survive, you'll need to live elsewhere than the First World.
You're just building more Straw Men that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. In your fairy-tale word, there's no need for deterrents from acting poorly other than customers, self-preservation, and personal pride. I find that quite ridiculous even with your "there may be other factors" because bad things seem to keep happening in the world. Licensing isn't the panacea, but it's a useful framework that serves the public's interest.
Whether it happens or not has nothing to do with my point.
That non-engineers, by and large, aren't sufficiently educated to be able to "decide what is accurate and what isn't". Requiring that an expert witness be a licensed engineer protects the legal system from opportunists. Do you think my previous example was OK, where the casino could collect damages from a parking lot designer for leaky windows?
Glad I'm not there, then.
The great state of Mississippi, better than South Carolina.
I didn't go to State. But I think all the engineering schools in the south produce good engineers - I'd pick Georgia Tech as the best (didn't go there either).
opcorn:
Nah, I left and came back. SC is pretty dang good in my book.
i graduated from Penn State with an 'Engineering Technology" Degree. Went 4 1/2 years, took all the usual pre-engineering classes and spent my Junior and Senior yr taking MASSIVE amounts of very specific classes in my field of study. PLEASE don't sell us "technology" degree holders short. OF COURSE our curiculum is ABET accredited. IMO Penn States Technology program is better then the typical "Engineering" degree.
opcorn:
First of all, there is a HUGE difference between an ABET accredited engineering technology degree from a college or university and a "print-your-own" degree from the likes of ITT and DeVry. Second, here is the NSPE's take on the differences between engineering and engineering technology. I think it sums things up quite nicely.
It's not that I distrust you, ROBIAMEIT, it's just that I find it unfortunate that you did all that work and ended up with a degree that has a stigma attached to it. In engineering circles, people with any kind of engineering technology degree are looked down upon. The fact that you have gotten your PE (you have, haven't you?) should lift most of that stigma.
honestly - I think you sold yourself short getting the ET degree rather than the real thing. Penn State is a great school too. I can imagine the frustration at having your degree being pegged as "inferior", the only thing I can say is that you should have done a little more research before investing the time and money.
I am not discrediting your work, but according to what Penn State lists as the curriculum for that program, the highest math course required is Calculus II. Penn State. From my ABET accredited BS in Mechanical Engineering program, I recall having at least 2 or 3 higher math courses beyond Calculus II.
Not too sure about the money issue. While it may differ in other fields (civil, structural, etc), my starting salary in the welding field was very much in the mix or more so than the starting salaries of many ABET-accredited grads. Granted, welding is a bit of an odd-man out, but I definitely wouldn't get carried away with a salary-based blanket statement. Quite a few of the guys working for us don't even have a college degree, and are making well over $100k before per piem based on construction knowledge and experience alone.
That is an awfully bold statement and I know that I can dispute you. Both of my degrees (BS ans MS) are in Civil. Even before my masters, I had taken more calculus, linear algebra and ordinary differential equations. I took partial differential equations in grad school for fun. I believe that up to ODE was a requirement for Civil.
