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3 minutes ago, bflem said:

Yeah thanks. I've learned to deal with it. FE took me 5 times, Military advancement exams multiple times. I really am a crappy test taker. That said, I've found that I eventually get it and am not going to give up.

I hear ya. FE took me four times to pass and that fourth time it seemed super easy. Blew right through it. Hopefully the next PE for us will be the same. 

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2 minutes ago, smrob said:

I probably used it for all but 5 of the questions.  The binder is an excellent resource.  I've now got it on my shelf at work and pulled it out last week to refresh myself on some pump curve info.

And that's for both sessions? See that right there is great. And were you confident in your answers on all those questions? If so, it would seem like you will pass with flying colors! 

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I saw this on the Texas board.  Does that mean I will have to resubmit SERs and other application info if I don't pass the third time in April?  Looks like its a sign to take the EET course.

In the standard application system, I get 4 consecutive attempts to take the exam. If I start taking them early, will that still be the case?
No, the system of accounting of permitted exam attempts has changed. Previously, once approved for the PE exam, an applicant received four consecutive exam attempts to pass the exam. If a person was sick, was late to the exam, opted to not take the exam, or had another issue, that counted as one of the four attempts.

The new model is that each approved applicant / EIT will receive three total attempts to take the PE exam. That means three times that you actually sat for the exam and received some sort of result (pass / fail / invalidated, etc) So, if you are sick or miss an exam, that will not count against you. However, once you have taken the first exam, you must use the three attempts in a four year window.

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8 minutes ago, caychanh said:

I saw this on the Texas board.  Does that mean I will have to resubmit SERs and other application info if I don't pass the third time in April?  Looks like its a sign to take the EET course.

In the standard application system, I get 4 consecutive attempts to take the exam. If I start taking them early, will that still be the case?
No, the system of accounting of permitted exam attempts has changed. Previously, once approved for the PE exam, an applicant received four consecutive exam attempts to pass the exam. If a person was sick, was late to the exam, opted to not take the exam, or had another issue, that counted as one of the four attempts.

The new model is that each approved applicant / EIT will receive three total attempts to take the PE exam. That means three times that you actually sat for the exam and received some sort of result (pass / fail / invalidated, etc) So, if you are sick or miss an exam, that will not count against you. However, once you have taken the first exam, you must use the three attempts in a four year window.

Yep correct.  I am in Texas too so have one more shot.

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7 minutes ago, CivilGuy00 said:

And that's for both sessions? See that right there is great. And were you confident in your answers on all those questions? If so, it would seem like you will pass with flying colors! 

I only took the EET WRE Depth course, so didn't have their AM binder.  So, I used my SOPE binder for a good portion of the AM and the EET binder for all of the WR in the AM and then almost all of the PM. 

You know...it's hard to tell you how confident I feel.  If I knew a problem, I knew it, ya know? There were certainly those that I struggled on.  The concept problems are by far the hardest to me.  I don't have my results yet.  I've wavered between confidence and the feeling of failure a million times at this point.

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I took EET WR Depth too and would highly recommend it. I did the on demand course because I felt that it worked best for my study schedule. The binder alone is worth the $500 - there are a bazillion questions to work through which I found worked for me. I didn’t necessarily find the lectures that helpful except when I was really unsure with a topic (mainly water treatment for me) but that’s probably just me. I found it so much easier to work through problems than watch a video late a night (when I could fit in the studying). Nazrul is a massive help and is so responsive, he really seems to care about you as an individual.

So, I’m still in the dark (thanks Colorado) but I know there’s no way I could have even attempted WRE without EET.

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1 hour ago, CivilGuy00 said:

Man sorry to hear it. Fail number 2 for me yesterday. This thing is a brutal SOB. What does your state say about the number of times you can take it?

In California, at least for Mechanical, I haven't seen a limit, but as a personal goal I'd like to keep it in the single digits :D.. if.. IF I decide to put myself through this again.

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31 minutes ago, bflem said:

Yeah thanks. I've learned to deal with it. FE took me 5 times, Military advancement exams multiple times. I really am a crappy test taker. That said, I've found that I eventually get it and am not going to give up.

My hat off to you sir... I just found out yesterday that I failed the Mechanical MDM for the third time and find myself really thinking about whether I want to do this again or not. Being that this is more of a personal goal and not required by my government employer, I'm having a hard time justifying it.... ugh...good luck to you next time!

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32 minutes ago, bflem said:

Yeah thanks. I've learned to deal with it. FE took me 5 times, Military advancement exams multiple times. I really am a crappy test taker. That said, I've found that I eventually get it and am not going to give up.

My hat off to you sir... I just found out yesterday that I failed the Mechanical MDM for the third time and find myself really thinking about whether I want to do this again or not. Being that this is more of a personal goal and not required by my government employer, I'm having a hard time justifying it.... ugh...good luck to you next time!

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32 minutes ago, bflem said:

Yeah thanks. I've learned to deal with it. FE took me 5 times, Military advancement exams multiple times. I really am a crappy test taker. That said, I've found that I eventually get it and am not going to give up.

My hat off to you sir... I just found out yesterday that I failed the Mechanical MDM for the third time and find myself really thinking about whether I want to do this again or not. Being that this is more of a personal goal and not required by my government employer, I'm having a hard time justifying it.... ugh...good luck to you next time!

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Came across this thread with a lot of discussion from dejected test takers who are yet to succeed in the exam...I failed the FE and PE multiple times but one saying kept me going and I hope it helps others out to...it said that failure IS an option..what is not an option is giving up.. I allowed myself the room to feel miserable after failing...but gave myself say 'until the next Tuesday' where I told my self I would allow myself to sulk...but Wednesday onwards...Im going to start all over again...when I eventually passed, I realized one major flaw in my preparation for the times I failed...I just did not do enough questions..so my 2 cents are..if you want to pass...hit the questions..HARD. And go tame that beast..if you cant...try and try again ...success will ultimately be yours...I promise. 

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1 hour ago, caychanh said:

Thanks that's a very in-depth review for EET WRE and sounds helpful I think I'll sign up.  Do they have referral discount :rolleyes:?

It seems like I'm just missing something that is keeping me from doing well on the exam.  The exams are so different each time, even the way the questions are worded are different.  I'm still having headaches when I think about those depth questions.  The April 2017 PM portion was much better worded and easier to understand.

1 hour ago, btkist said:

I just signed up for the EET Breadth and WR Depth webinar courses.  Here's hoping that the third time in April 2018 is the charm.  Getting married the weekend of the October 2018 test, so that option is out.

51 minutes ago, bflem said:

I did the EET review for civil/structural and cannot praise them enough. And just in case you need to feel better about how you did, I just failed for the fifth time. I'm a horrible test taker.  I am going to keep taking it until I pass or NCEES tells me I can't take it anymore (ha, not really). Keep your head up!

the difference for me from fail to pass was literally just my approach to taking the exam. doing 3-4 passes instead of just 1-2. I'm terrible at studying/foccusing, so I really only honestly studied for about 16-24 hours between the two.

reading every question completely, but only answering the ones that had super fast easy answers, 

going back through and reading every remaining question completely, and answering the ones with short calculations or a quick definition look up,

going back through and reading every remaining question completely, and answering the ones with more complicated questions but I was confident that I could figure out,

then going back through and working the rest of the problems. marking an answer even if i wasn't sure, but making a tick next to that number on the answer sheet. at 15 mins I filled them all in and cleaned up my answer sheet. 

My first try, the proctor didn't give us our 5 and 1 minute warnings, so I just started wrapping up at the 15 min mark. maybe leave one more problem to solve, but you don't want to leave anything blank. And having the wind-down time to decompress before you're filed out like lemmings for lunch was beneficial to me. 

I would say, if you have practice exams, keep doing them with different approaches and see what feels most efficient to you. (you can do this in your last few weeks when you're going through practice exams anyway) 

 

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42 minutes ago, caychanh said:

I saw this on the Texas board.  Does that mean I will have to resubmit SERs and other application info if I don't pass the third time in April?  Looks like its a sign to take the EET course.

In the standard application system, I get 4 consecutive attempts to take the exam. If I start taking them early, will that still be the case?
No, the system of accounting of permitted exam attempts has changed. Previously, once approved for the PE exam, an applicant received four consecutive exam attempts to pass the exam. If a person was sick, was late to the exam, opted to not take the exam, or had another issue, that counted as one of the four attempts.

The new model is that each approved applicant / EIT will receive three total attempts to take the PE exam. That means three times that you actually sat for the exam and received some sort of result (pass / fail / invalidated, etc) So, if you are sick or miss an exam, that will not count against you. However, once you have taken the first exam, you must use the three attempts in a four year window.

34 minutes ago, txjennah said:

Yep correct.  I am in Texas too so have one more shot.

I would email the board and ask what that means as far as applying. In WA you have to reapply, but it's basically just saying you intend to test again, and they use all your previous credentials. basically paying the application fee again. we didn't get 3-4 tries before having to reapply, it's every time. hopefully neither of you have to test this system out, though!

 

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19 minutes ago, tj_PE said:

I would email the board and ask what that means as far as applying. In WA you have to reapply, but it's basically just saying you intend to test again, and they use all your previous credentials. basically paying the application fee again. we didn't get 3-4 tries before having to reapply, it's every time. hopefully neither of you have to test this system out, though!

 

My understanding is that once you get those 3 tries, you need to resubmit your SER with an additional year of experience.

I'm glad to hear what the process is like in WA; my fiancé is applying for a job there so if he gets it, I'll probably do the next round there.

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1 hour ago, YL-2017 said:

I think you are already aware that all the wrong choices are designed to trick you if you have made a mistake.  You may have fell for many of those traps.  My advice is to study the material much slower but more careful this time.  

I 100% agree with this, because I am fairly certain it happened to me. Granted, I took the civil structural PE exam three times, but I'm pretty sure I fell into easy traps several times on my first two attempts. Heck, I probably did on my third attempt too, but just on not as many questions.

The exam is not trying to trick you. It is just trying to make sure you are understanding the questions correctly and solving them with the correct assumptions and procedures.

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I just emailed the Texas board to ask for clarification.  It would be disappointing to wait a year or two until I can retake the exam, especially after the decoupling rule change.  Once the required experience is met, we should be able to continue to take the exam until we pass.  

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42 minutes ago, txjennah said:

My understanding is that once you get those 3 tries, you need to resubmit your SER with an additional year of experience.

I'm glad to hear what the process is like in WA; my fiancé is applying for a job there so if he gets it, I'll probably do the next round there.

WA is the best! I hope you come join us up here! 

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21 hours ago, mlavanway said:

I took the exam last April and got 54% and this time I got 44%. I studied much more this past time and even when going through the exam, I felt very confident in my answers. I did the test booklet first and then transferred it over the Scranton. Remembering back to the test, I feel like I did go back and check to make sure both sheets matched up. Is it possible I could have been off by a line? I know I got the geometrics stuff right, but got 0/3 this time.

Should I retake this test a 3rd time or just give up? I feel like I should give up.

Don't give up, you made it this far. You need to really exam your test taking strategies and figure out what is going wrong. For example, my biggest problem is that I have a tendency to breeze through a question and jump right in. This would sometimes cause me to start figuring out something I either didn't need to or might be wrong and waste time. I just force myself to read each question slowly and ask myself what it's asking and how I'm going to approach it. 

I doubt you went into the exam the second time with a poorer grasp of the material. Just do a lot of practice exams under simulation conditions and see what's causing you problems. You can absolutely do it.

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3 minutes ago, samopuddles said:

Don't give up, you made it this far. You need to really exam your test taking strategies and figure out what is going wrong. For example, my biggest problem is that I have a tendency to breeze through a question and jump right in. This would sometimes cause me to start figuring out something I either didn't need to or might be wrong and waste time. I just force myself to read each question slowly and ask myself what it's asking and how I'm going to approach it. 

I doubt you went into the exam the second time with a poorer grasp of the material. Just do a lot of practice exams under simulation conditions and see what's causing you problems. You can absolutely do it.

I appreciate that! People who have not been in my situation trying to make me feel better but I know people on this board can make me feel better because they have been in the same situation I have which is why I simply created an account to come here looking for help and support. My wife told me the same thing that there was no way I knew less this time. I am thinking about the EET stuff because I have massive amounts of notes already and a review course is the only thing I have not done and I've heard amazing things about this particular one! I have just been considering stopping my career and not getting that license or going for it another time. Mostly just not to have to deal with the stress with my wife and son and new daughter here born this February.

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8 minutes ago, mlavanway said:

I appreciate that! People who have not been in my situation trying to make me feel better but I know people on this board can make me feel better because they have been in the same situation I have which is why I simply created an account to come here looking for help and support. My wife told me the same thing that there was no way I knew less this time. I am thinking about the EET stuff because I have massive amounts of notes already and a review course is the only thing I have not done and I've heard amazing things about this particular one! I have just been considering stopping my career and not getting that license or going for it another time. Mostly just not to have to deal with the stress with my wife and son and new daughter here born this February.

Yeah like I said it's possible you may know the material pretty well but are not passing because your test taking strategy is bad. Also this is an exam that takes anywhere from probably 100 hours to 300 hours of effective studying to pass. I know I had at least 200 in it, but I don't do much design work compared to most so it was a lot more work for me.

What made the test click finally for me was taking each and every practice exam I had (4 of them) over and over again until I could get a 100% under test simulation conditions. Just keep at it. 

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Well for Texas Board below is the response I got.  It makes me nervous to try to take the exam a third time.  Basically sit out two exams (1yr) before trying again.  I've heard some people go to other states that didn't have this rule to take the exam.  I was so close this round, I can't imagine waiting another year to take the exam.  I might forget everything by then :(.  

"The one additional year of experience begins after you are notified of the last failure of the exam.  You would be required to sit out two exams if the final exam is not passed."

 

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15 hours ago, caychanh said:

Well for Texas Board below is the response I got.  It makes me nervous to try to take the exam a third time.  Basically sit out two exams (1yr) before trying again.  I've heard some people go to other states that didn't have this rule to take the exam.  I was so close this round, I can't imagine waiting another year to take the exam.  I might forget everything by then :(.  

"The one additional year of experience begins after you are notified of the last failure of the exam.  You would be required to sit out two exams if the final exam is not passed."

 

Oh no, this rule is dumb! I will definitely go to other states instead of sitting out for a year! 

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21 hours ago, smrob said:

I did SOPE for the April 2017 exam, then EET WRE Depth for the Oct 2017 Exam.  EET's WRE depth course is far superior.  Hands down.  The EET binder is also in order of the test specifications - making it quicker and easier to find the info you're looking for.  The EET binder includes equation sheets at the beginning of each section, too.  So, you don't have to dig through piles of pages to find the equation you're looking for.  SOPE's course materials weren't as organized and some of the equations were scattered in the notes.  SOPE also references the CERM a lot and tells you to go there for further study (instead of just reviewing the material).  I found that pretty annoying.  Anyway, I highly recommend EET's WRE Depth review!!

I second this one! I took school of PE and passed at my first attempt this round but I understand why ppl taking this course cannot pass! It is just refreshed notes and you need to use cerm all the time to hunt for the answer in the exam day! Depth is terrible and thank god I used manuals a lot so I didn’t depend on the notes from SOPE! There is no way I can pass just by using the damn notes! 

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20 hours ago, CivilGuy00 said:

@smrob I am super close to doing EET Depth WRE. The binder alone seems to be a great resource for the test. Would you say you used that EET binder for the majority of the exam? 

I used almost nothing else. Granted, I still failed, but I'm planning to take EET WRE depth again (for free since I failed) and pay for the breadth section this time which I didn't take last time. 

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