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How many VP's have field dressed a Caribou?

I knew about her being pushed over a year ago through powerful people at hunting retriever competitions. If you look on www.orangepower.com on VEEPS, I called the shot back in June publicly on the political threads. She may be our first female president.

 
Yeah, but has she shot any of her hunting partners in the face yet?

 
How many VP's have field dressed a Caribou?
I knew about her being pushed over a year ago through powerful people at hunting retriever competitions. If you look on www.orangepower.com on VEEPS, I called the shot back in June publicly on the political threads. She may be our first female president.
Woah, lets not drink too deeply of the kool-aid here. She's 44, had 6 yrs as Mayor of Wasilla AK (pop. 7,000+-) and barely 2 yrs as governor. . . her lack of experience is hard too ignore, even as VP. She's a little too hard-line for my comfort, makes Huckabee look like Kerry. IMO, if McCain wins, he damn well better make it till 2012.

 
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When the US gets attacked and we're forced to live off the land, it will be comforting to know that some high ranking government officials will still be around to answer the calls for assistance.

her lack of experience is hard too ignore
you mean the hunting and fishing doesn't count for experience?

 
When the US gets attacked and we're forced to live off the land, it will be comforting to know that some high ranking government officials will still be around to answer the calls for assistance.
you mean the hunting and fishing doesn't count for experience?
Heh. her skills in that department are atypical of the bulk of Michigan's population at large. Da Yoopers would memorialize her in song probably, along with their fabled 'Tirty Point Buck'

 
Woah, lets not drink too deeply of the kool-aid here. She's 44, had 6 yrs as Mayor of Wasilla AK (pop. 7,000+-) and barely 2 yrs as governor. . . her lack of experience is hard too ignore, even as VP.
Then what's that say about Obama? From my perspective, I'd rather have a young and inexperienced VP behind (I almost said under!) an experienced President than the other way around. I think she does a good job of balancing McCain, even if some would say she pulls the combo to the right.

 
^ agreed, to a point. Comparing Palin's inexperience & background to Obama's is akin to comparing Wasilla to Chicago - not in same league

 
^ agreed, to a point. Comparing Palin's inexperience & background to Obama's is akin to comparing Wasilla to Chicago - not in same league
Correct. And Obama has never had to run Chicago either. He lived there, was a 'community organizer'

So where's his leadership experience?

It's a valid point.

 
I am really torn with this pick. I had been a McCain supporter, but am having some doubts. Given his age, McCain's pick has a lot more relevance than the VP typically holds.

My votes doesn't matter anyway since I live in Illinois.

 
Here is an article about Palin. Obliviously one sided and I am sure similar articles could be written about the others.

The anti-Palin e-mail

I've received some 50 copies of a long e-mail from a woman named Anne Kilkenny of Wasilla, and it may be the most potent attack on Sarah Palin out there, bouncing around the Internet at the viral speed of an Obama-Muslim rumor.

The Anchorage Daily News confirms its authenticity and describes her as a "stay-at-home mom, letter-to-the-editor writer and longtime watcher of [Mat-Su] Valley politics" who has been deluged with e-mail as she become's Palin's leading local critic.

She says she clashed with Palin over her 1996 "attempt at censorship," a reported suggested to ban books at a local library, which Palin later said wasn't a serious proposal.

The letter mostly contains undisputed facts, and while it's occasionally positive — "she's smart" — it offers a bit of an alternate, and mostly hostile, history to the campaign biography.

A sample: "They call her 'Sarah Barracuda' because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness."

In any case, the full, viral anti-Palin e-mail after the jump.

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Dear friends,

So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the last 2 days that I decided to write something up . .

Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in common: their gender and their good looks. :)

You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . .

Thanks,

Anne

ABOUT SARAH PALIN

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe".

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.

She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or B) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.

CLAIM VS FACT

*"Hockey mom": true for a few years.

*"PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since.

*"NRA supporter": absolutely true

*social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).

*pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.

*"Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation

*"Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.

*political maverick: not at all

*gutsy: absolutely!

*open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.

*has a developed philosophy of public policy: no

*"a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.

*fiscal conservative: not by my definition!

*pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.

*pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents

*pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.

*pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

CAVEATS

I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor) from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.

Anne Kilkenny

August 31, 2008

 
The thing that I find the most disappointing ... about this 'letter' or any of the characterizations of the candidates comes down to what does a label tell me?

Conservative? Liberal? Fiscally responsible? Tough on immigration? Pro-life? Political maverick?

What in the fuck does any of those lines mean?? It is mere dribble to allow people who BELIEVE they are of similar mind to cling on to what they think that candidate will do while in office.

You would think with all of the money that is used in developing these campaigns somebody could actually sit down and evalute the budget or conduct a policy analysis for the platform they are running. Apparently, it is just a lot easier to come up with catchy phrases like, "Change you can believe in" and "Straight talk".

So, in the spirit of this thread, I am closing by saying .. I agree with Dvinny - obviously someone is pissed off about a Palin is hot comment! :GotPics:

JR

 
hmmm, and if the letter had been written by a man. . .would it be because she wouldn't give him the time of day? Y'all need to step back and shake the Palin kool-aid out of your eyes. IMO, she had to be a bottom-barrel pick out of the vetting process - unfortunately, i think McCain really f'd up with his choice, but we shall see. . .

 
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^ no i didn't actually. . .and i was speaking metaphorically - Look, I'm not pro-Obama and why critiques of this Palin person seem to draw retorts towards Obama stupifies me. IMO, Palin is an incredibly ballsy selection by McCain, but one that i greatly dislike. I like John McCain and who he is as a candidate. . . seeing his mom at 96 yrs young at the convention is encouraging - but his "fragile-ness" is certainly present, and having Palin in the "on-deck" circle scares the bejeebers out of me. Lets just say her selection has me worried. . ..and its pushed this voter more towards the fence than before her being selected - but hell, i got a test to worry about anyways first & foremost

 
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If you don't like Palin's positions (for example you are more of a moderate and that's why you liked McCain) that's a good reason to reconsider McCain's judgement. Or if you think shes too inexperienced to be VP (she doesn't have any lot of national experience) that's another possible reason. Frankly, I'm not sure I know what all of Obama's accimplishements are, but everyone has to evaluate that. My personal opinion is that experience is overrated for a president. But I will point out that she is running for VP, and McCain isn't dead yet. I don't know what evidence anybody has that he is more "fragile" than anyone else, say Biden for example.

But to base your vote in any way on a campaign email (that's what this is now) by a life-long Democrat is a little ridiculous. And it is fairly obvious this lady is a low level Wasilla activist with a personal bone to pick about Palin. Since at one time I was registered in both parties I receive emails on both sides. I would always independently verify each and every fact if I was concerned about it.

 
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