Global Warming is a Lie

[cement]

http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=C...ims_documentary

 

[Hill William]

Great title for the thread. How long do you think it will be before someone calls someone else an *****???

 

[cement]

lusone: the devil was in me when I started this one. nobody is taking the bait though. This type of talk is high treason in many circles. Maybe I should start it on :"the other board": ?

 

[Guest]

Actually, I think it is great that there are people willing to express counter-point views. I just hope it is not a bunch of senseless, uninformed hype like the 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

Separate point ... and I know this is high-jacking your thread, but maybe we can milk this a little.

I am known for dropping bread crumbs myself to see what people will pick up - I am sure that comes as a shock to all. lusone: So much so, I was recently referred to as the "master baiter" by one of my colleagues.

JR

 

[Hill William]

I am known for dropping bread crumbs myself to see what people will pick up - I am sure that comes as a shock to all. :th_rockon: So much so, I was recently referred to as the "master baiter" by one of my colleagues.

JR

Are you sure they weren't calling you a *******?? lusone:

 

[frazil]

It was too obvious cement. You have to post something about the evolution of the modern bikini under the same subject line and watch the scientific debate ensue.

 

[Guest]

Are you sure they weren't calling you a *******??

I didn't give the backdrop to the comment, but it turns out it was a younger female colleague who knows I can handle a joke. Essentially, she was delighting in the fact that she could hoist me on my own petard.

Not a problem for me .. I can take it as well as I dish it.

JR

 

[MetroRAFB]

I posted a rant of sorts on this subject in another thread last week. I think there's way too much hype about global warming or climate change or whatever you want to call it. The Earth has been warming and cooling for about 4 billion years with no help from we puny humans, I think it's a bit presumptious to blame it on us. I don't think it's impossible that we have some effect on the Earth, but I think the matter deserves much much much more unbiased research before filling the radio and TV airwaves full of commercials saying that it's all our fault. I just feel like we're getting beaten about the head with only one side of the story.

My biggest problem about it is that it really doesn't matter what is causing it. Humans will continue to consume fossil fuels at ever increasing rates until they're all gone. It's as simple as that. Does anyone disagree with that statement? Unless some magical clean energy source presents itself sometime soon I'm not sure it makes a whole lot of sense to talk about the matter as though we could solve it somehow.

 

[Dleg]

Metro - I think we can both agree that humanity will use up whatever resources are available, and to hell with the consequences. At least as long as society is ruled by economics, which I think will be pretty much forever, or at least until New York, London, Tokyo and Hong Kong are submerged after Greenland melts.

And as long as money still speaks louder than science, there will be an endless supply of contrary "scientific" opinions designed to sway people away from an ugly truth.

 

[udpolo15]

Metro - I think we can both agree that humanity will use up whatever resources are available, and to hell with the consequences. At least as long as society is ruled by economics, which I think will be pretty much forever, or at least until New York, London, Tokyo and Hong Kong are submerged after Greenland melts.
And as long as money still speaks louder than science, there will be an endless supply of contrary "scientific" opinions designed to sway people away from an ugly truth.

Dleg, I think you are wrong about the economics and using up all the resources. We are at a beginning of the sustainability movement in big business. This is not because of government regulations, but because companies are finding it economically profitable. Furthermore, supply and demand dictates that as a resource becomes more scarce the price will go up driving innovation in alternatives.

As for the whole global warming issue, I am not 100% sold on it. I think there are valid points on both sides of the issue, though I'll admit I have never dug in to far. I don't think is any debate that the earth is warming, but I think there are valid questions to the cause and more importantly the effects. Climate modeling is in its infancy so models that predict catastrophic impacts are questionable in my eyes.

That still begs the questions as to can we afford to be wrong about this? I think there is enough evidence out there that says we should be doing something, but how much is something I can't answer. Any reductions in US or other developed nations will be dwarfed by the increases in the developing nations. The lb removed/$ will be much higher in developing nations than developed nations and that should be were much of the focus is. Regardless of the developing countries ability or desire to regulate emissions there are ways to encourage the multi-national companies who do business in these countries to reduce their emissions. The easiest would be to allow companies to earned removal credits that can be used in developed nations for reductions in developing nations. As for the developed nations, companies are beginning to find it profitable to become more sustainable. The history channel had a great program on the environment that highlighted such examples.

 

[cement]

^^ that is a good point.

I really do think that the science of global warming is flawed, that the sample group is too small for the projections made.

But here is a really well reasoned speech, long but worth the read, about the science of consensus:

http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/...es_quote04.html

 

[Road Guy]

I have no doubt we are doing more harm than good to the planet, but did anyone see that report out a few weeks ago that said Mars was also undergoing a dramatic climate change? (a similar global warming).

But I dont think it would kill anyone to use those flourecent lightbulbs in the house (those damn things do last 4 ever....) and or take some painless measures to reduce the dependency.

I fully believe that if we could put a man on the moon (something no other nation has come close to doing) we can find a way to have a car that runs off something other than oil as well.

 

[MetroRAFB]

^^^I agree completely. There's no question that we could develop that technology, ethanol, hydrogen, etc. There's just too much money in oil at the moment. Using alternative fuels would sure solve many of our foreign policy problems. Most of the Middle East would cease to be a civilized part of the world if nobody had to buy their oil.

 

[Road Guy]

that would also be a nice by product .