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I'm still waiting to hear that all of the rescuers have gotten out of the cave safety. One already died during operations so it's not a sure thing that everyone will get out.

1 hour ago, txjennah said:

 I can't imagine what 2+ weeks trapped in a cave will do for the psyche. 

Really bad things.

16 minutes ago, Szar said:

So with all said an done... was this just media over-hyped?  

 

but the efforts actually required to save them were all pretty low tech, strait forward, and rapidly advanced.  

Over-hyped, no. I didn't really see it as top line coverage anywhere, or if it was it got pushed down fast. It wasn't covered much until they found the survivors.

16 minutes ago, Szar said:

but the efforts actually required to save them were all pretty low tech, strait forward, and rapidly advanced.  

K.I.S.S.

 

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Saw this graphic of the escape set up - pretty cool and a great idea to not make the kids have to deal with the tank on their back.

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The news pics showed a ton of gear brought into help the boys - lights, blankets, etc I assume and hope they wait till after the rain season ends before going back for any of that shit..

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sure the graphic is great plan until you get to that restriction that's only ~20 inches wide......

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but this way the kid doesn't have to take his BCD / Tank off and push it through - only the professional

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Honestly, this is just another example of a lot of arm-chair social media quarterbacking of a situation that none of us were really "in the know."  Yes, the media may have given us a good general idea of what was going on, but the fact that a professional rescue diver died leads me to believe this ended up being a lot more complex than any of us will ever understand. 

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And I think we can all agree the rescue divers must normally carry their balls in a wheelbarrow

 

And again where is the go fund me for hookers and blow for the wild boars!

 

Being that young and faced with - stay here and die or try and escape and probably die...

 

They deserve it!

 

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2 hours ago, Road Guy said:

but this way the kid doesn't have to take his BCD / Tank off and push it through - only the professional

absolutely just the arm-chair QBs will say "look how easy it is".  It's my understanding that the dives had to remove their stuff individually to traverse the small passages as well as pass the kid off to each other and no-doubt keep him calm too.  Nothing short of a miracle that no one was lost (except the unfortunate happening with the one rescuer).

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2 hours ago, MA_PE said:

absolutely just the arm-chair QBs will say "look how easy it is".  It's my understanding that the dives had to remove their stuff individually to traverse the small passages as well as pass the kid off to each other and no-doubt keep him calm too.  Nothing short of a miracle that no one was lost (except the unfortunate happening with the one rescuer).

I think part of it is most people don't have any experience or ability to relate to this incident.  Its Scuba Diving, in a dark cave, narrow passages, with with fast currents.  As I understand it from you guys, that's difficult and a very niche experience.

Personally speaking, my only comparison is snorkeling in a pool.  I just though they they could strap a mask on them and pull them through the tunnel with a winch, so its probably best I deal with Electricity and not people as my job.  :)   

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I think any sort of rescue attempt in a wilderness / cave setting is going to be extremely difficult, no matter how it may look from the outside. Having been involved above-water in a very difficult and traumatic wilderness rescue, I can say that getting someone out who is unable to help themselves is something that can seem impossible from the ground-level/responder view, and ultimately ends up just like it did here, with a lot of pretty simple carrying of people out, but under great difficulty and duress. It's very different to be the one on the ground who has to move someone who is injured and/or helpless through a rugged obstacle vs. someone watching from a TV set. At least these kids weren't incapacitated, that would have made this virtually impossible.

 

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There are now reports that they were heavily sedated, and carried and swam through and out of the cave via stretchers. There were earlier reports that they were given medication to reduce anxiety and keep them calm, but not to the point of knocking them out. The trouble is that those medications tend to also dull the senses or make people drowsy, which isn't a great combination for a physically and mentally challenging task. Taking them out via stretcher probably reduced risk by removing the kids unpredictable behavior from the equation. My guess is that they did some practice runs with mannequins on stretchers to see if it was viable. And once they proved it would work they implemented it.

It's all starting to make sense now why they took out the weaker first. If they were sedated and carried out, then they can't accidentally cause disruptions to later rescues.

 

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On ‎7‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 12:46 PM, Road Guy said:

Cave diving in clear yet dark water scares the shit out of me (only stuck my head in a few) can't imagine a kid who can't swim dealing with that - they may have to force the regulator in their mouth for a long swim

Almost like they need to make them unconscious and put a full face mask regulator on each one and tow them out

^- that semi pro- arm chair QB to you ;)

 

I saw a video on LinkedIn - haven't seen it anywhere else and it showed the kids strapped to a gurney type thing - it looked a little big to fit through some of the 20" holes they mentioned - but I don't honestly think anyone except those that did it really knows what happened - but just glad they are out and hopefully recovering.

I am glad stories like this exist - most of humankind is still fairly awesome (not "glad' the kids had to be in this situation - but "shit happens")

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The sedation makes sense - it is easy to panic with scuba gear and panic is by far the most dangerous thing in a situation like that. 

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On ‎7‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 12:44 PM, Dleg said:

The sedation makes sense - it is easy to panic with scuba gear and panic is by far the most dangerous thing in a situation like that. 

I still remember when I got my certification.  First time you actually go in the water they made you do it in the shallow end of the pool in case someone freaks out the first time the go underwater.

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they do and its usually just pop your head under water a few minutes..

I got certified around age 15 but the wife didn't get hers until mid 30's - she went through the pool and open water dives (FLA Springs) really good but the first time in the ocean she freaked out after a few minutes under water - went immediately up, got on the boat and said FTS (in my head I was counting the thousands of dollars I had wasted)

luckily some 20 year old Fabio looking boat "1st mate" calmed her down and took her back under on the next dive and has since then been okay & now has no issues doing dives that push the boundaries of recreational diving - but for a minute I was like, damn. this was a waste of time and money!

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Yeah, I was one of those people who was telling them "get out of my way, I'm going down to the deep end".

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First time I did the pool dive, in maybe 15 feet, I freaked when we did the breath without the mask thing. 

I was fine in the ocean except on one dive where we started inside a big cave and went out into the ocean, and then down to 110 feet or so. I started feeling a little panicky at 60 feet and tried to signal to my buddy (ex GF) that I wanted to return, but she pretended she didn't understand so i sucked it up - there was really no way out at that point. When we got down to around 90 feet I started narcing (?) and was then totally relaxed. 

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