Capt Worley PE
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A county here in the midland had a similar proposal rejected two years ago, so this year, they are voting again on basically the same proposal (with, more than likely, similar results).
Voters reject transportation tax
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Charlotte? Dallas? One of those other cities that were mentioned in the T-SPLOST marketing material as destinations for all the business that isn't going to come here now?
Capt Worley PE
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Richland county is only spending $50K on 'voter education,' which, I must say, has a wonderful Orwelllian ring to it.
http://www.thestate.com/2012/08/01/2377859/richland-to-fund-sales-tax-information.html
http://www.thestate.com/2012/08/01/2377859/richland-to-fund-sales-tax-information.html
Capt Worley PE
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More than likely, if it is similar to what's going on here, the sentiment is, "We're tired of being asked for more and more money to fund public transportation."
Take that off the ballot, and I bet you'd see drastically different outcome.
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Doubtful. The people in-town voted the referendum down because it didn't have enough public transportation.
Capt Worley PE
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Each regional referendum had a different project list, to be honest I have no idea what the make up of the project lists outside the Atlanta area was. The Atlanta area list was 52% public transportation project, which folks in the in-town counties said wasn't enough and the folks in the suburban counties said was to much.
Capt Worley PE
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Public transportation is pretty much a failure unless there are conditions that make auto use onerous. And it takes a LOT of onerousness to get Americans out of their cars. As long as public transportation is thrown in the mix, generally speaking, the referendum will lose support.
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There are Much more people that live outside of Atlanta than inside atlanta. Cobb, Gwinnett, each have 1 million people, north fulton another half million people, there's 2.5 million that have no desire or need for public transit....
Was set to fail when they let the local politicians create the project list, it should have been done by the state DOT in my opinion..
I was on the inside of one county working on the list and was utterly disgusted with how the projects got on the list, things like Los F, and accident data were thrown aside for complete bullshit projects... There were still some decent projects on the list but they failed to try and give each region a reason to go vote for a project that would directly benefit them...
I hope I have anew Joni before I have to work on the list again.....
Was set to fail when they let the local politicians create the project list, it should have been done by the state DOT in my opinion..
I was on the inside of one county working on the list and was utterly disgusted with how the projects got on the list, things like Los F, and accident data were thrown aside for complete bullshit projects... There were still some decent projects on the list but they failed to try and give each region a reason to go vote for a project that would directly benefit them...
I hope I have anew Joni before I have to work on the list again.....
Completely off topic, but any idea why US-27 in south GA is being transformed from a 2-lane highway to a 4-lane divided highway? There is absolutely *NO* traffic on this road. I assume there is a lot of federal dollars going into this, which seems like a colossal waste to me.
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T-SPLOST? who picked that name?
marketing is pretty important, but you have to get the public trust. The Colorado democrat legislature ran a bill thru a few years ago that raised some money without a ballot intitiative by just raising motor vehicle registration fees. In an attempt to be transparent on that spending we have a boatload more paperwork and status updates monthly. We now have a republican legislature, not sure if there is a correlation there.
Colorado DOT decided that the time was not ripe for a new tax initiative, thanks for confiming that RG!
Regarding your project lists, if you look at the projects picked by the recent TIGER grants all have bicycle paths or unicorn fart powered transit included in them, it shows where the USDOT leaders have thier heads. and we all want to be like them.
marketing is pretty important, but you have to get the public trust. The Colorado democrat legislature ran a bill thru a few years ago that raised some money without a ballot intitiative by just raising motor vehicle registration fees. In an attempt to be transparent on that spending we have a boatload more paperwork and status updates monthly. We now have a republican legislature, not sure if there is a correlation there.
Colorado DOT decided that the time was not ripe for a new tax initiative, thanks for confiming that RG!
Regarding your project lists, if you look at the projects picked by the recent TIGER grants all have bicycle paths or unicorn fart powered transit included in them, it shows where the USDOT leaders have thier heads. and we all want to be like them.
Capt Worley PE
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LOST = Local Option Sales Tax, probably. Don't know what the other stuff is TranSPortaion?
Transportation Special Purpose Local Option Sales Tax
It just rolls off the tongue doesn't it?
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