CBS airs a complete BS story

[Capt Worley PE]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57362397/s.c.s-new-controversial-unemployment-rules/?tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea#comments

Under the new rule, after a month of collecting benefits, the unemployed must now accept any offer for a job that pays at least 90 percent of what they used to earn. After 5 months, workers must accept a job that pays minimum wage, or $7.25 an hour.

Completely untrue.

How do they get away with airing such utter cowflop? Do they even fact check their stories?

 

[Master slacker]

How dare you question mainstream media. Go away and sulk in your backwards-thinking closet, you reasonably minded individual.

 

[Capt Worley PE]

The thing is, think how many saw it and believed it. SC has maybe 4 million people out of a country of over 300 million, and I'd bet 75% of the people in SC that saw it probably believed it.

1984 is here.

 

[mudpuppy]

But, but, but it was on fox news too, so it MUST be true! They're FAIR and BALANCED!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/12/sc-makes-it-harder-to-get-unemployment-benefits/

 

[IlPadrino]

What's the real "new law"? How completely untrue is the story?

 

[Capt Worley PE]

There is no 'new law.' The closest thing is that the governor said a few weeks ago that people over 6 months should donate 16 hours a week to community service, and that was roundly criticized and never was brought up formally.

That stuff I quoted is a complete fabrication.

Even if they tried something like that, the feds would shut them right down.

 

[Capt Worley PE]

But, but, but it was on fox news too, so it MUST be true! They're FAIR and BALANCED!

http://www.foxnews.c...yment-benefits/

That article was a bit more in depth. Sounds like the head of the SC Unemployment commision wants changes, but the legislature isn't letting them be even bought up. I had heard that they were trying to cut benefits if you were fired for cause, which I already thought was the case.

 

[csb]

Phew! I thought csb ran a BS story and I thought, "WHAT DID I SAY?!"

 

[IlPadrino]

There is no 'new law.' The closest thing is that the governor said a few weeks ago that people over 6 months should donate 16 hours a week to community service, and that was roundly criticized and never was brought up formally.

That stuff I quoted is a complete fabrication.

Even if they tried something like that, the feds would shut them right down.

What about http://www.scstateho.../bills/1049.htm and http://www.southcarolinaradionetwork.com/2012/01/10/legislators-look-to-toughen-rules-for-unemployment-benefits/?

 

[Capt Worley PE]

That's the proposed 16 hours of community service thing. 'In commitee' basically means its a dead issue. I dodn't realize it had even gotten that far.

Campbell is the son of an ex-governor who is just trying to make political hay with this.

 

[snickerd3]

There is no 'new law.' The closest thing is that the governor said a few weeks ago that people over 6 months should donate 16 hours a week to community service, and that was roundly criticized and never was brought up formally.

That stuff I quoted is a complete fabrication.

Even if they tried something like that, the feds would shut them right down.

16 hrs a week might be little harsh, but something closer to 6-8hrs a month might not be a bad idea...if they are getting money why not give back a little time...they will feel better about themselves too. If they get food stamps or other financial help i think community service is a great idea. We have a couple volunteers at the food pantry that volunteer to sort of give back since they need the food the food pantry provides.

 

[Capt Worley PE]

16 hrs a week might be little harsh, but something closer to 6-8hrs a month might not be a bad idea...if they are getting money why not give back a little time...they will feel better about themselves too. If they get food stamps or other financial help i think community service is a great idea. We have a couple volunteers at the food pantry that volunteer to sort of give back since they need the food the food pantry provides.

If it was voluntary, I'd agree. But forcing someone to volunteer is akin to slave labor. Then you have the issue of workers comp insurance and who pays for it for the volunteers, as well as transportation issues. It is one of those ideas that sounds good until you start getting into the mechanics of it.

Interesting article (and comments...lots of comments) on that proposal: http://www.thestate.com/2012/01/10/2107688/sc-bill-would-require-unemployed.html

 

[Wolverine]

Also, my experience has been that if these (admittedly straw-) people had the kind of work ethic it takes to go do community service, they wouldn't be unemployed. Not for long at least.

Of the unemployed people I knew & know, they hold out for the job they think they deserve, not the one they can get.

By living example: one person I know looked for over a year, which was fine because she was getting $330/wk unemployment.

Another living example has been out of work 3 years but is "hopefully getting a job soon." She lives off her ex-husbands child support.

I'm not knocking unemployment, child support, or looking for a better job, I'm just saying that starving can be a strong motivational force for lazy, arrogant unemployed people; community service is not.

I'm a little spoiled because I've always been blessed with a solid career and portable job skills, but then again that's because I made it so.

 

[goodal]

Boy are you fixin to get it for that post...

 

[mudpuppy]

Also, my experience has been that if these (admittedly straw-) people had the kind of work ethic it takes to go do community service, they wouldn't be unemployed. Not for long at least.

Of the unemployed people I knew & know, they hold out for the job they think they deserve, not the one they can get.

By living example: one person I know looked for over a year, which was fine because she was getting $330/wk unemployment.

Another living example has been out of work 3 years but is "hopefully getting a job soon." She lives off her ex-husbands child support.

I'm not knocking unemployment, child support, or looking for a better job, I'm just saying that starving can be a strong motivational force for lazy, arrogant unemployed people; community service is not.

I'm a little spoiled because I've always been blessed with a solid career and portable job skills, but then again that's because I made it so.

Wow, and you're the one talking about arrogant?

Hope your mom ends up unemployed for 5 years like mine did, through no fault of her own, other than having to raise a family on her own for 10 years so she couldn't go back to school, and ending up being laid off in her 50s, hardly getting any call backs despite applying for jobs left and right because she's too old and they want young good-looking women for the type of work she has experience in. Because I'm sure your mom had plenty of time to "make it so" that she has portable job skills and a solid career while she was raising you.

 

[Master slacker]

opcorn:

 

[IlPadrino]

Hope your mom ends up...

You don't really mean this, do you?

 

[Wolverine]

Hope your mom ends up unemployed for 5 years like mine did, through no fault of her own, other than having to raise a family on her own for 10 years so she couldn't go back to school, and ending up being laid off in her 50s, hardly getting any call backs despite applying for jobs left and right because she's too old and they want young good-looking women for the type of work she has experience in. Because I'm sure your mom had plenty of time to "make it so" that she has portable job skills and a solid career while she was raising you.

It's clear to see that you are/were very frustrated with your mom's situation and I know the economy up there has been difficult.
Unfortunately, I have nothing to relate to since - and this is in defense of my position - my parents were in and out of jobs for several years, but never stayed unemployed long, and that's how I was brought up. Mom took on some crappy jobs, jobs that nobody else wanted, dealt with criminally idiotic bosses, and went back for new certifications, all with (faux) optimism until she found her niche teaching in a small rural school for many years until she retired. My parents actually uprooted, packed up, and left the country for a while when a much needed job opportunity came open overseas. I'm not intending to suggest that my-mom-could-beat-up-your-mom, only that my personal experience has been that the few times in life I was out of work was because I was not doing the right things to get the work I wanted. I take full responsibility for that and don't understand why everybody doesn't. I don't believe it's the government's job to dole out jobs or unemployment checks or declare how many hours of community service someone has to do to get their check. Still I can sympathize with your experience; it's just not something I can relate to.

 

[cdcengineer]

During the great depression they had people build walls and things like that for public projects rather than just hand out free money. The city I grew up in had tons of beautiful stone walls surrounding the cemetery, beach, etc.

Today we let those jobs got o illegals while the lazy sit and collect while suckling the tit'

Stories like your Mom's are tough, and we have welfare and unemployment for these situations. However we have many more socialist moochers in line at the trough.

 

[Capt Worley PE]

During the great depression they had people build walls and things like that for public projects rather than just hand out free money. The city I grew up in had tons of beautiful stone walls surrounding the cemetery, beach, etc.

Yeah, we have a bunch of WPA built cabins around here and in the upstate. I think that was probably a better way to handle it.

... If it was voluntary, I'd agree. But forcing someone to volunteer is akin to slave labor. ...

I didn't think slaves got paid. :screwloose:

You're right!