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just be very very careful the first time you take the doors off, its like they don't want to come off and then as soon as you are not paying attention they come off, fall out of your hand and land on the driveway- didn't happen to me but I know several that did that something similar happen to them.

& are you getting the 4 door or the 2 door?

 
just be very very careful the first time you take the doors off, its like they don't want to come off and then as soon as you are not paying attention they come off, fall out of your hand and land on the driveway- didn't happen to me but I know several that did that something similar happen to them.

& are you getting the 4 door or the 2 door?
Duly noted.

I'm getting the 4 door. Still want to have some family hauling space and the ability to take it for a camping weekend with everyone in tow. Also going for the soft top because I live in the south and would probably not use the hard top that often. 

 
you will definitely want to get familiar with quadratec.com and jeepforum.com or wranglerforum.com - I think both of those forums sold out and are run by companies now (not individuals like they used to be) but tons of good info there, but like here over time forums are dying down and the response times to questions isn't what it used to be. they would save me a ton of time and money working on my older jeeps.

mine didn't come with a hitch but I bought one off quadratec for around 50 bucks that bolted on in about 10 minutes and then they will make sure you get a new catalog once a month.

did you go drive one? 

 
I drove one pretty much identical to the one I'm getting except it had the navigation radio in it and I'm not getting that. 

I've already joined wranglerforum.com and I'll look into the other sites you listed. Thanks!

 
you will definitely want to get familiar with quadratec.com and jeepforum.com or wranglerforum.com - I think both of those forums sold out and are run by companies now (not individuals like they used to be) but tons of good info there, but like here over time forums are dying down and the response times to questions isn't what it used to be. they would save me a ton of time and money working on my older jeeps.

mine didn't come with a hitch but I bought one off quadratec for around 50 bucks that bolted on in about 10 minutes and then they will make sure you get a new catalog once a month.

did you go drive one? 


I'll second jeepforum.com  it's saved me a ton of time with the cherokee on stupid crap rather than having to take it in

 
Coming from someone who has worked at a dealership for a few years: I would also highly suggest test-driving and inspecting the Jeep you're buying before you sign anything. With quality controls they way they are, you shouldn't have any problems, but once in a while the one they send has something wrong with it and was the reason the original dealership hadn't sold it yet.

Some vehicles have been on their lot for months and it shows. It may also have been their test-driver and have a ton of extra miles already on it despite the "new" tag.

I was fortunate enough to buy the Camaro straight off the truck. I bought it the day it arrived and was the only one to test drive it (not counting the service tech who did the delivery inspection).

 
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^Yea, my dad sold cars for a while and he's coming up to go over it with me. Based on what I've been told, the ship date of the Jeep was mid-July 2017, so it shouldn't have many miles on it from test driving, but you never know. I'll be making sure everything is good prior to signing anything.

 
Just please tell me you didn't pay extra to get a Rubicon.  Nothing wrong with them, they are great, but you're paying a lot more $$$ for stuff that is purpose built for off-roading.  I see them driving around here all the time and you know the extent of their "off-roading" is parking in the grass at their kids' soccer games or this:

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I agree and think most people that pay for that package regret it since you still have to throw away the wheels and tires to get a basic lift.  Except those that just like to throw $$ away..

 

The Dana 44 front axle is probably worth paying for but not the rest of the stuff IMO..

 

I’ve been looking at some of the newer lift kits and I do have to commend Jeep on making it much easier to install these, older models to add a suspension lift meant cutting parts off the frame, welding, etc, but really if you have a ½ socket set and some good jack stands (& the most important part TIME) it looks like they have made most of these bolt on.

 

Like everyone else these days all the shops are so busy they are charging $2000 to put on a $600 item..

 
What options come with the sahara package?  Ive never liked the trim on them and the way the hard tops match the color of the jeep so I never looked inside one? (just my personal taste).

I've got the cheapo unlimited :D

 
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I'm not sure about all the differences between the Sahara and the Sport, but it has body color fenders, side step rails, standard Uconnect, 18" wheels, etc. The body color hard top is now an upgrade and the standard hardtop is the black.

 
Test drove the Civic Si yesterday.  Seats are a bit snug on me, but in the lats and not the shoulders like those atrocious Focus ST recaros.  There is no mistaking that the car is a 1.5L down low, but that thing starts to boogie at about 3K RPM when the boost builds.  Enough that I was able to spin the tires through second gear (dealers should learn not to hand me keys for a test drive and then send me out unaccompanied).  Sport mode does a good job firming up the shocks.  It was surprising spacious inside - had about 4" of room between me and the door.  Back seat can fit human legs very comfortable, albeit tight on head room.  Trunk is where it gives up space to the Accord.  You can tell where they desperately tried to save weight in the car, though.  No tilt/adjust on the steering column, manual seat sliders, etc.  Still amazes me how nice even a "cheap" new car is these days.  

 
I test drove a Civic (not the Si), and it felt cheap to me. I liked the Accord Sport a lot.

 
The cloth interior leaves a lot to be desired, but at that price point, the only nicer interior fit/finish is in the Volkswagen which I have zero interest in owning.  

 
I'm leaning towards the VW Jetta. I test drove a stick, and really like it. The automatic has an acceleration lag off the line. Plus, there are some crazy good lease deals on the Jetta right now.

 
So my rental car this week is a Dodge Challenger.  "Challenger" is a good name because the driver can't see out of this damn tank.  Seriously, WTF?

 
My rental car last week was a 2016 Focus.  It had bluetooth, which was nice since I hadn't brought an AUX cable with me and surprisingly, also had a back-up camera.  We managed to fit 2 huge suitcases and a stroller too.  Power was weak, but we did get 30 MPG out of it.

edit: hatch, not sedan

 
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