October 2021 Post Exam Wait Period - Welcome to the Suck

[steel]

The poster said they were denied entry at 7:10 am. Here is a link to the post

No way that someone should be denied entry at 7:15 AM, regardless of what their exam authorization stated. Unless they were an hour or more late, ridiculous.

 

[Orchid PE]

nah, it's pretty normal

I don't think I ever once had an exam dream. That sounds like some serious anxiety issues.

 

[Be-n]

The poster said they were denied entry at 7:10 am. Here is a link to the post

The only outcome that I would be satisfied with is that NCEES organizes another exam for this group in the next week or so and pays them for their travel and hotel. These exams require months of commitment, thousands of dollars for prep courses, time off, traveling, hotel... They can't just tell those people sorry, come back in 6 months (for SE exam takers) or come back in January to take a completely different exam (CBT for PE).

 

[ABHIJ]

Somebody in my office said that since this is the last paper based exam for PE Civil, the results are more likely to be released sooner than the usual time. Is this something might happen?

 

[steel]

Somebody in my office said that since this is the last paper based exam for PE Civil, the results are more likely to be released sooner than the usual time. Is this something might happen?

Unreasonable to expect this. Sure, it might happen early, but do not rely on that, We don't know what the cut score is, what the process needs to be, what can and will go wrong between when NCEES releases to states and when states decide to authorize the release to the examinees, etc.

I know Texas and one other state completely redefine how the passing and failing results are presented, so there's that too.

tl;dr - Too many variables to just assume this time will be any different than previous exams.

 

[DLD PE]

nah, it's pretty normal. It's happened to me a few times over the years. I just quickly remember that I already passed the exam and then change the dream.

This is exactly what happened a few months ago. I dreamt I was taking the exam, but called out in my dream I already passed it. That's when NCEES stepped into the dream and changed the rules to make us all take it annually to keep our license.

 

[steel]

That's when NCEES stepped into the dream and changed the rules to make us all take it annually to keep our license.

Sounds like a true nightmare.

 

[RBHeadge PE]

The poster said they were denied entry at 7:10 am. Here is a link to the post

ughh that's a sucky situation. I *think* I understand why they won't administer another exam, but I still feel awful for those that got robbed of the opportunity to take the test in October. I would hope that NCEES finds some way to make things right for those candidates. It's little consolation that whatever temp-agency-like subcontractor administered the exam may lose future contracts or get penalized.

To answer the question on everyone's mind: no I would not expect this to delay the release of the results for everyone else. At least not directly. People in the past have heard me talk about how NCEES has to investigate incidents surrounding the exam, and this is sort of an example of that. Usually they're looking at incidences of potential cheating: cell phones and electronics; writing in books, non-bound notes, general belligerence, etc. I suspect those investigations are one of the longer poles in the schedule and since NCEES has limited staff they can't easily crash the effort. One would think that the number of investigations is proportional to the number of exam sites and number of examinees.

No way that someone should be denied entry at 7:15 AM, regardless of what their exam authorization stated. Unless they were an hour or more late, ridiculous.

Inclined to agree, but with the caveat that I don't know what the exam authorization stated. If it said be in line be 6:45, and the line was empty at 7:10, then yeah everyone after 7:10 should be SOL. But it doesn't read like that was the situation here.

Somebody in my office said that since this is the last paper based exam for PE Civil, the results are more likely to be released sooner than the usual time. Is this something might happen?

No way! Maybe this is the first time a release happens in November, but if it is it'll be on Nov 30 (Day 39); and it would be an artifact of the way the calendar fell this year. And to be clear: I'm not predicting a Nov 30 release.

January's release was an outlier with special circumstances that won't ever get repeated. April 2021 was a normal April administration, and this looks to be a typical October too. They still have to do all the normal work and documentation that they would in any other administration, e.g. see above on investigations.

I know Texas and one other state completely redefine how the passing and failing results are presented, so there's that too.

Texas is the only State that gives candidates their score if they passed. We don't actually know if it's Texas or NCEES that prepares that score. What we do know if that it's hard to derive the cut score from the Texas passing scores. The curve or formulation does not appear to be completely linear.

There are a few States (I think Georgia and Alabama) that per State Law give bonus points to vets and/or disable vets, but I've never seen how this works in practice. And I'd be scared to consider how that works when a licensed PE who barely failed the exam tries to apply via comity to a third State. Seems like a recipe for disaster.

 

[RBHeadge PE]

This is exactly what happened a few months ago. I dreamt I was taking the exam, but called out in my dream I already passed it. That's when NCEES stepped into the dream and changed the rules to make us all take it annually to keep our license.

You need better lucid dreaming skills.

 

[Tmanwatery PE]

so is this the last official suck with everything going virtual after this?

 

[civilrobot PE etc etc]

I don't think I ever once had an exam dream. That sounds like some serious anxiety issues.

I had a couple of exam dreams leading up to the exam. It's pretty common.

 

[civilrobot PE etc etc]

The only outcome that I would be satisfied with is that NCEES organizes another exam for this group in the next week or so and pays them for their travel and hotel. These exams require months of commitment, thousands of dollars for prep courses, time off, traveling, hotel... They can't just tell those people sorry, come back in 6 months (for SE exam takers) or come back in January to take a completely different exam (CBT for PE).

You're right - they should...but they probably won't.

 

[civilrobot PE etc etc]

This is exactly what happened a few months ago. I dreamt I was taking the exam, but called out in my dream I already passed it. That's when NCEES stepped into the dream and changed the rules to make us all take it annually to keep our license.

that's not a dream, that's a nightmare!

 

[civilrobot PE etc etc]

so is this the last official suck with everything going virtual after this?

It doesn't have to be. Perhaps, we can keep an open thread for rolling results. I think the CBT results take 2 weeks (Wednesday to Wednesday?). So, maybe we can help the folks who have to wait 14 agonizing days.

We have to do it in the most non-cynical way possible though...Some of us had to wait 40+ days for our results.

 

[civilrobot PE etc etc]

Whoa! That's craWere they like 7:16 late or 7:55 late?

I seem to recall having to show up around 7:15, but they didn't even open the doors until that time. It was probably another 20-25 minutes before they got everyone through the doors. They didn't turn away anyone who was in line. They started pretty late both times too.

The more I read about these stories, the more thankful I am to have tested in MD. I didn't experience anything nearly as stressful as this. The proctors in MD gave you a reasonable number of chances to correct any issues. When I saw something go left at the exam, I felt zero remorse because the proctors went over a specific rule like 10 times. Like no hoodies... no stapled papers... no smart watches/watches that make noise, etc. There were times when they didn't even put you out, just confiscated the contraband mid-exam and let you keep taking the exam.

 

[steel]

It doesn't have to be. Perhaps, we can keep an open thread for rolling results. I think the CBT results take 2 weeks (Wednesday to Wednesday?). So, maybe we can help the folks who have to wait 14 agonizing days.

We have to do it in the most non-cynical way possible though...Some of us had to wait 40+ days for our results.

I like this idea. Like just make a 2022 CBT WTTS, then a 2023, then a 2024, and so forth.

Could still do ones like these for the last few SE exams, though.

 

[CivilPE2022]

Does anyone know when is the last day to sign up for the 1Q 2022 Civil PE exam? I know registration starts on November 1st, but when is the lady day?

 

[DLD PE]

I'm just so glad I don't have to take or worry about this thing anymore, unless it's in one of my lucid dreams.

 

[DoctorWho-PE]

Does anyone know when is the last day to sign up for the 1Q 2022 Civil PE exam? I know registration starts on November 1st, but when is the lady day?

I think it just sort of stays open. I have never done a CBT so have no idea how it actually works. It seems like you go online and pick a date that works for you from the available appt times.

 

[steel]

In case anyone is still dumb enough to try the whole "register for the next exam" tactic, here's what it will show you. I was curious what it would say now that the next exam is CBT, so I took a brief look:


Probably won't change until the day that your state gives NCEES approval to release your results.