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2 hours ago, Nathan55 said:

I can also attest to nearly eschewing all actual calculations and getting an acceptable on an essay question. I have conversely done detailed and (what I felt were) accurate mathematical solutions for problems and felt really good about them, and gotten unacceptable. Additionally, my sources tell me that wrong citations/procedures get points deducted. This tells me the following:

1. The key to the afternoon is procedure. Follow the right one, and you're nearly guaranteed an "IR" or an "A".
2. Math is only semi-important. 
3. Present a complete solution. Don't miss checks...but this seems less important then item #1. A missed check/verification isn't as bad as using the wrong procedure.
4. Focus on the trick that is inherent in each question. Based on the data, 70% of people can't identify the tricks in the 4 afternoon problems if you're buildings.
5. Graders check if you are competent, that is, if you know what you're doing. It is objectively easier to say "someone doesn't know this" if you do the wrong thing, cite the wrong portion of the code, etc. It is far more difficult to do this if you use broad generalities in procedural list of steps. It will be easier to hide what you don't know in this fashion rather than a "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" approach. This isn't college.

I agree with this as well. Last time I took the test in April 2019, I received an A, A, IR, U on the lateral afternoon. I wrote the procedure and applicable code references for 50% of a problem and received an IR. Had to do the same on one half of another problem but couldn't note down the code references due to time and received an unacceptable. I think there is a good amount of credit for Correct procedure, Code references and Completeness (3 C's). I also listed what information the questions did not provide for other applicable code checks that were necessary and made a reasonable assumption to at least make sure I am covered in case those were the tricks the graders expected examine's to identify. I also provided alternate solutions in case the assumptions I made based on the missing information was something the graders might not be looking for/did not care (This took a lot of time I didn't have in my first try). I did not miss any opportunity to throw in sketches to supplement my solutions even though they were not required by the problem statement.

I work in a consulting firm where I have to deal with a variety of project types and design on a daily basis. Had quite a few projects in California with SDC D (SCBF, SMF, Wood, Special Concrete and masonry shear walls) within the last year which have helped a lot in preparing for this exam.

 

 

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I wanted to chime in a say that I completely echo taking the EET/AEI course. I did, however, fail both portions even after taking the courses but I admit that I did not put in the practice time... One book that really helped me for the lateral concrete was Design and Detailing of Low Rise Concrete Buildings through CRSI (I'm convinced I wouldn't have passed if I didn't have this to help me study)...: http://resources.crsi.org/resources/design-and-detailing-of-low-rise-reinforced-concrete-buildings1/ 

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That book is written by David Fanella and is outstanding. His concrete textbook is even better.  Frankly the best concrete seismic resource in my opinion you can get.  Its the best organization of the detailing and design requirements that I've seen.  

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I will have to look into that book. I am a big fan of the ACI Concrete Design Handbooks, the examples are fantastic. They are the main reason I got A for the first two attempts ..... still undecided on moving forward. 

Am very seriously thinking about trying to start a career writing children’s books. Reading to my two feels far more rewarding than this has up to the present.

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1 hour ago, Titleistguy said:

That book is written by David Fanella and is outstanding. His concrete textbook is even better.  Frankly the best concrete seismic resource in my opinion you can get.  Its the best organization of the detailing and design requirements that I've seen.  

which book? Reinforced Concrete Structures: Analysis and Design, Second Edition?

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That book is so expensive but I might buy it. 

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Signed up today for the AEI courses. Gonna try and actually put in 100% effort on the example problems...The feeling in my stomach I got when I saw those bright red and white "Unacceptable" on my NCEES dashboard will keep me motivated...

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That book is worth the money.

Fanella authors a few documents that are really good.  One on structural loads and some older PCA stuff.  

His concrete book is the 2nd edition...and buddy of mine from class got it at my recommendation (SK) and he would likely agree that it was great.  One of the only things that I used outside of AEI notes.

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I'll add my experience to this thread as well, given that the 'Unacceptable' I received for Vert- Buildings has worn off. Results: 31/40 IR IR IR IR

I will mimic others in this thread with the following statement:

I do 98% wood design in my day to day engineering, and the afternoon wood problem was like performing basic arithmetic to me. I could literally envision every single table, equation, and page of the codes that was required to answer the problem. I was in test taking heaven. I referenced every single piece of info that was used, with ~19 minutes to spare (41 mins to answer the question).

When it came to the concrete problem, I was in the absolute dark. I never do sophisticated concrete design. I had a 15% idea of what to do, but went through my procedures and notes and plugged away, attempting to tell a story. I referenced a few things, but not many.

And I end up with the same results for those two questions. That is upsetting/surprising to me.

This was my first attempt at any professional licensure (FE/EIT excluded, though I suppose that isn't a 'professional' title). I work in a very niche industry that uses a niche material, but I figured with diligent studying (~400 hours) I could overcome my weaknesses, but that wasn't the case. I honestly expected to have an incredibly difficult time, as I went to college and received a BSME, so I have never even taken a civil class. The main point that upset me was the fact that never before in my life have I ever failed at something that I legitimately focused on and worked diligently towards. I'm not the worlds best person, but I am certainly no slouch. That just goes to show you how difficult this test is, and how 'next level' of a structural engineer that you need to be. A level that I have, for the time being, not been able to reach.

I am going to tackle the PE Civil: Structural Depth in April instead of retaking the SE, as I need a license to start my firm. I currently work for a manufacturer (after working for an SE firm for a couple of years) as their lone engineer, so having a license is the paramount objective, and a PE will do what I need it to do to get things started. I will be back to obtain the SE designation, but it is not this cycle. Perhaps OCT 2020 as I am confident with how 'well' I did on this exam that the PE will be a cakewalk, though I will still study my butt off for it.

Thankfully I prepared and began the testing process early, as I cannot receive a license until June 2020 anyways. So no time is lost, just a slight bruise to the psyche. But there has been a tremendous amount of knowledge accrued and stored in my brain, already making me better at my job.

To everyone who passed, congratulations! To those who did not, we will chat with each other again and share in victory in time to come.

 

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4 minutes ago, Nebraskangineer said:

I was not aware such engineers existed, but then again I'm a bridge guy.

Neither was I!

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1 hour ago, MR_E30 said:

I'll add my experience to this thread as well, given that the 'Unacceptable' I received for Vert- Buildings has worn off. Results: 31/40 IR IR IR IR

I will mimic others in this thread with the following statement:

I do 98% wood design in my day to day engineering, and the afternoon wood problem was like performing basic arithmetic to me. I could literally envision every single table, equation, and page of the codes that was required to answer the problem. I was in test taking heaven. I referenced every single piece of info that was used, with ~19 minutes to spare (41 mins to answer the question).

When it came to the concrete problem, I was in the absolute dark. I never do sophisticated concrete design. I had a 15% idea of what to do, but went through my procedures and notes and plugged away, attempting to tell a story. I referenced a few things, but not many.

And I end up with the same results for those two questions. That is upsetting/surprising to me.

This was my first attempt at any professional licensure (FE/EIT excluded, though I suppose that isn't a 'professional' title). I work in a very niche industry that uses a niche material, but I figured with diligent studying (~400 hours) I could overcome my weaknesses, but that wasn't the case. I honestly expected to have an incredibly difficult time, as I went to college and received a BSME, so I have never even taken a civil class. The main point that upset me was the fact that never before in my life have I ever failed at something that I legitimately focused on and worked diligently towards. I'm not the worlds best person, but I am certainly no slouch. That just goes to show you how difficult this test is, and how 'next level' of a structural engineer that you need to be. A level that I have, for the time being, not been able to reach.

I am going to tackle the PE Civil: Structural Depth in April instead of retaking the SE, as I need a license to start my firm. I currently work for a manufacturer (after working for an SE firm for a couple of years) as their lone engineer, so having a license is the paramount objective, and a PE will do what I need it to do to get things started. I will be back to obtain the SE designation, but it is not this cycle. Perhaps OCT 2020 as I am confident with how 'well' I did on this exam that the PE will be a cakewalk, though I will still study my butt off for it.

Thankfully I prepared and began the testing process early, as I cannot receive a license until June 2020 anyways. So no time is lost, just a slight bruise to the psyche. But there has been a tremendous amount of knowledge accrued and stored in my brain, already making me better at my job.

To everyone who passed, congratulations! To those who did not, we will chat with each other again and share in victory in time to come.

 

This is amazing to me.  You do wood design all day, you felt you nailed the section (no pun intended), and you got an IR.  And absolutely no recourse to even challenge the results if you felt it worthwhile to.  It's mind-boggling.  I swore I would be done now that my 5 year vertical expired.  And then decided yesterday that I'm just going to take the classes and take both again, but comments like yours make me question whether I really want to lol.

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10 minutes ago, mikesltj23 said:

This is amazing to me.  You do wood design all day, you felt you nailed the section (no pun intended), and you got an IR.  And absolutely no recourse to even challenge the results if you felt it worthwhile to.  It's mind-boggling.  I swore I would be done now that my 5 year vertical expired.  And then decided yesterday that I'm just going to take the classes and take both again, but comments like yours make me question whether I really want to lol.

I wouldn't let my lone review sway you one way or the other, but that is the truth of the matter in its entirety. Maybe I missed some wood check because I 'hurried' along so that I would have extra time for the more complex concrete problem, but I was literally on cloud nine with the afternoon wood problem. It may not have been 'perfect' but 100% an Acceptable.

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1 hour ago, MR_E30 said:

I am going to tackle the PE Civil: Structural Depth in April instead of retaking the SE, as I need a license to start my firm. I currently work for a manufacturer (after working for an SE firm for a couple of years) as their lone engineer, so having a license is the paramount objective, and a PE will do what I need it to do to get things started. I will be back to obtain the SE designation, but it is not this cycle. Perhaps OCT 2020 as I am confident with how 'well' I did on this exam that the PE will be a cakewalk, though I will still study my butt off for it.

First of all, MR_E30, that is amazing with your background to be wanting to go this far. Now, for the PE, it may still be a struggle as you do not have the Civil background from your undergrad time. I just say that, because although the PE Civil: Structural Depth is indeed very simple in my opinion, fellow coworkers that have failed only failed due to the morning, as you will need to study some water resources and transportation stuff. Honestly, I do not know how that would look like for you since you were not exposed to any of those classes back in undergrad. However, I think the CERM is concise enough to cover those topics. When I took it it was just a matter of  tabbing those sections. I mean the morning is basically 70% Structural, Geotech and Construction and for a Structural Engineer that is something we deal with it in a daily basis especially if you do a lot of foundation design, so I think the morning favors Civil Structurals.

Anyways, just wanted to give you the heads up, I am sure you know all this. I wish you the best, and please, keep going and would love to see you posting here on EB the day you pass the SE Exams! Best of luck!

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1 minute ago, STR_BR said:

First of all, MR_E30, that is amazing with your background to be wanting to go this far. Now, for the PE, it may still be a struggle as you do not have the Civil background from your undergrad time. I just say that, because although the PE Civil: Structural Depth is indeed very simple in my opinion, fellow coworkers that have failed only failed due to the morning, as you will need to study some water resources and transportation stuff. Honestly, I do not know how that would look like for you since you were not exposed to any of those classes back in undergrad. However, I think the CERM is concise enough to cover those topics. When I took it it was just a matter of  tabbing those sections. I mean the morning is basically 70% Structural, Geotech and Construction and for a Structural Engineer that is something we deal with it in a daily basis especially if you do a lot of foundation design, so I think the morning favors Civil Structurals.

Anyways, just wanted to give you the heads up, I am sure you know all this. I wish you the best, and please, keep going and would love to see you posting here on EB the day you pass the SE Exams! Best of luck!

Thanks mate!

I am beginning the process of gathering info surrounding the PE Civil: Structural Depth exam from various parts of EB and am coming up with a game plan. Glad to hear about the Geotech (work directly with them frequently) and Construction (actually spend my weekends building house related stuff with my hands and one of my mentors is a GC).

I appreciate the heads up and will make sure I spend quality time on the breadth section of the exam!

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I can't believe some states haven't received their results yet... I would riot! (JOKE)

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Hi all,  

Been lurking for about the past year.  Also waiting on Illinois/CTS.  Thought I would  join this merry anxiety/depression support group.

Felt reasonably confident for seven weeks.  Stomach dropped into a pit on Monday, and been living on the edge of my dupa since.  Still having nightmares about two PM problems in particular. 

In the meantime, I'm trying to convince myself there's no way I passed, so as to avoid letdown (in the case of any false sense of security I may have enjoyed).  Good thing I've had plenty of humbling experiences in my career to prepare me for this psychological beatdown.  

Crossing my fingers.   

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1 hour ago, Rebel Engineer said:

I agree, still waiting on Florida myself...

Rebel, did you get your results? Florida's just came through on my end.

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Sweet baby jesus more than 80% of repeat vertical buildings failed?? Makes me glad that I skipped a cycle before retaking.  Hopefully they make some adjustments for April, if they even care.

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25 minutes ago, Dzsan said:

 

This is nausea-inducing.  The pass rates support my suspicion that the Practice Exam was absolutely useless in preparing for the PM.

Abandon hope, (most of) ye who enter....

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52 minutes ago, Gator314 said:

Rebel, did you get your results? Florida's just came through on my end.

Yep, they came through alright. I am with the majority, and failed both parts. I'll take it again next year. Though this time, one at a time.

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Wow....I think NCEES finally realized that the lateral bridges has been horrible for so long that they drastically increased the passing cut score!   Bridge people get screwed with this exam, as 75% of the AM is building focused.

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