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We've reached a point where it seems like you can't be an expert in everything. But it seems from history that there was a time when you could be good at all the latest research subjects. Over what time period did those changes happen and what changes happened for such a shift?

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What are you smoking? Better put the weed down son and pick up the latest version of the NCEES Practice Exam!

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We're not supposed to be an expert in everything.  We know what we know, specialize in one field and may brush others with a broad stroke!

I only know one fella that is licensed in 8 different engineering disciplines in one state, his CEU requirements are off the charts.  Others that have 2-3 license are at least somewhat related to each other or in the same field.

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It's still not as vast as my PE-ness!

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On 10/3/2019 at 12:28 PM, EB NCEES REP said:

What are you smoking? Better put the weed down son and pick up the latest version of the NCEES Practice Exam!

Like only the dankest of danks, like, my dude. I, like, feel, like, it elevates my engineering skills into like the next dimension, my man.

On 10/3/2019 at 12:39 PM, PeeWee said:

We're not supposed to be an expert in everything.  We know what we know, specialize in one field and may brush others with a broad stroke!

I only know one fella that is licensed in 8 different engineering disciplines in one state, his CEU requirements are off the charts.  Others that have 2-3 license are at least somewhat related to each other or in the same field.

What's the full form of CEU?

On 10/4/2019 at 12:33 AM, PE-ness said:

It's still not as vast as my PE-ness!

And your nuts! Squirrels sure have a lot of nuts. I suspected as much but I didn't realize there were so many nuts!

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2 hours ago, random_soldier1337 said:

What's the full form of CEU?

CEU = Continuing Education Units. He's talking about the continuing education that PEs have to obtain every year. I've also seen them referred to as CPC (continuing professional compentency), CPD (continuing professional development), PDH (professional development hours). 

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On 10/5/2019 at 2:21 PM, jean15paul_PE said:

CEU = Continuing Education Units. He's talking about the continuing education that PEs have to obtain every year. I've also seen them referred to as CPC (continuing professional compentency), CPD (continuing professional development), PDH (professional development hours). 

What do these accomplish?

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5 hours ago, random_soldier1337 said:

What do these accomplish?

In states that require continuing education, they allow you to stay licensed.

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8 hours ago, random_soldier1337 said:

What do these accomplish?

Yeah. You have to complete a certain number of hours of continuing education and submit a log every time you renew your PE license. You can also be audited, then you have to prove you completed the continuing education that you said you completed.

2 hours ago, ChebyshevII PE said:

In states that require continuing education, they allow you to stay licensed.

Do all states not required continuing education?

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8 minutes ago, jean15paul_PE said:

Do all states not required continuing education?

Strangely enough, there are a handful of states that don’t require PDH or CE to renew your license: https://pdhacademy.com/state-requirements/pe-state-requirements/ (not sure how up-to-date the info is).

WA state is one of them.

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On 9/30/2019 at 4:19 PM, random_soldier1337 said:

We've reached a point where it seems like you can't be an expert in everything. But it seems from history that there was a time when you could be good at all the latest research subjects. Over what time period did those changes happen and what changes happened for such a shift?

No one has ever had complete knowledge or even expertise about everything, ever.

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Yeah, CA doesn't require PDH's either!

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5 minutes ago, leggo PE said:

Yeah, CA doesn't require PDH's either!

Small consolation for their strictness in all other areas of the licensing process...

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Are you complaining about having to take that stupid surveying exam?

Yeah, at least they decoupled the PE exam from applying for licensure (after I'd already taken it, so moot point for me).

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Just now, leggo PE said:

Are you complaining about having to take that stupid surveying exam?

Not complaining, just observing. :P Evidently I wouldn’t be the only one “observing” this about CA either.

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15 hours ago, ChebyshevII PE said:

Strangely enough, there are a handful of states that don’t require PDH or CE to renew your license: https://pdhacademy.com/state-requirements/pe-state-requirements/ (not sure how up-to-date the info is).

WA state is one of them.

For whatever it's worth, that website seems a little out of date. It has the pre-2017 rules for Louisiana PDHs. In 2017 Louisiana switched from 30 hours for every 2-year renewal period to 15 hours every calendar year.

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7 hours ago, random_soldier1337 said:

Ah maybe I should ask, what does the individual gain from it? I mean other than being allowed to maintain requirements to remain a PE.

The intent is continued learning and depends on the individual approach.  If you simply want to maintain your PE you can choose whatever PDHs are cheapest/readily available but may be of no value to you.  If, on the other hand, you want to continue learning or reinforce what you already know, you may opt for PDHs to accomplish that.

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There are PDH/etc. webinars, talks at conferences, seminars, etc. covering anything from broad topics to specific ones for basically all disciplines. Not all webinars/talks/seminars/etc. will automatically be worth PDH's, but if they are, they will surely list it as it can be a way to draw more people in to attend. Often such webinars/seminars/etc. are geared towards design in the specific discipline.

However, today I got an email that is offering a webinar that will provide 1.5 hours of continuing education (approval in all states) with the title "How to Read the Copyright Clause in Your Contract". That's not design-related, but is something that can be valued as important in the profession when considering contracts.

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42 minutes ago, random_soldier1337 said:

Interesting. What kinds of topics/subjects are covered/available?

Requirements vary from state to state but almost any engineering related learning can count. It's just about keeping your knowledge up to date and always improving. Here's a couple quotes from Louisiana's rules as an explanation. 

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The primary purpose of licensing for professional engineers and professional land surveyors is to help protect the public from unqualified or unethical practitioners. The requirement for continuing professional development is also intended to help protect the public by reinforcing the need for lifelong learning in order to stay more current with changing technology, equipment, procedures, processes, tools, and established standards. This Chapter [of the rules] provides flexibility in selecting among a broad range of activities that are intended to strengthen or maintain competency in technical, managerial (business) or ethical endeavors. Licensees are encouraged to select meaningful continuing professional development activities which will be of benefit in the pursuit of their chosen fields.

Acceptable Activity―subject matter which is technical in nature or addresses business management practices, professional ethics, quality assurance, codes or other similar topics which facilitate the licensee's professional development as a professional engineer or professional land surveyor, and/or serves to safeguard life, health and property and promote the public welfare. Any course/activity offered by a board-approved sponsor/provider will qualify as an acceptable activity. It will be the responsibility of the licensee to determine if a course/activity offered by an unapproved sponsor/provider is an acceptable activity.

Louisiana allows a pretty wide range of things to count for PDH hours. I'm not sure how this compares to other states. That being said, most engineers use seminars, trainings, workshops, or conferences. The other stuff is much more rare.

  • college courses
  • almost any technical seminar, in-house company training, workshops, technical presentation made at meetings, conference, etc
  • teaching a technical class that required research or preparation
  • membership in a professional organization
  • authoring and publishing a paper
  • obtaining a patent
  • preparing problems for NCEES
  • serving as a thesis director for students
  • serving on a government technical committee
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From the sound of it, I assume most opt for seminars/conferences/etc. because of relative cheapness and ease compared to something like take or teaching a college course?

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