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2 minutes ago, vip-eng said:

Congrats man, roughly how many questions you think you got right? anywhere between 30-35 ? 

Because I failed seismic last month, so I did a lot of practice problems for the surveying. I guessed on 2 problems, the rest I feel confident unless I made some careless error.  

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4 minutes ago, ding said:

Because I failed seismic last month, so I did a lot of practice problems for the surveying. I guessed on 2 problems, the rest I feel confident unless I made some careless error.  

Good for you! I took seismic 2 weeks ago, I think I would score around 32-35 I am trying to gauge if this enough to pass! , so when you took seismic and failed what would you guess you scored? I am taking surveying next month, would you say the test was hard, tricky? and would you recommend https://www.civilpesurveyingreview.com/ ? If their practice exam mimics the actual exam

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25 minutes ago, vip-eng said:

Good for you! I took seismic 2 weeks ago, I think I would score around 32-35 I am trying to gauge if this enough to pass! , so when you took seismic and failed what would you guess you scored? I am taking surveying next month, would you say the test was hard, tricky? and would you recommend https://www.civilpesurveyingreview.com/ ? If their practice exam mimics the actual exam

CPESR's practice tests on line are GREAT. IMO they are MUCH harder than the actual exam. There are 4 practice tests: 1 easy, 2 medium, 1 hard. I'd say the test is somewhere between easy and medium. If you work the Hard problems the test will feel like a breeze.

 

That said, their workbook is hot garbage. It's completely disorganized and even after months of studying I can never remember where anything is (had no problem finding specific pages from memory in Hiner's massive Seismic workbook). I'd like... make my own reference sheets rather than use their workbook. 

 

Would still recommend overall for the practice tests.

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7 minutes ago, Wensey said:

CPESR's practice tests on line are GREAT. IMO they are MUCH harder than the actual exam. There are 4 practice tests: 1 easy, 2 medium, 1 hard. I'd say the test is somewhere between easy and medium. If you work the Hard problems the test will feel like a breeze.

 

That said, their workbook is hot garbage. It's completely disorganized and even after months of studying I can never remember where anything is (had no problem finding specific pages from memory in Hiner's massive Seismic workbook). I'd like... make my own reference sheets rather than use their workbook. 

 

Would still recommend overall for the practice tests.

 

40 minutes ago, vip-eng said:

Good for you! I took seismic 2 weeks ago, I think I would score around 32-35 I am trying to gauge if this enough to pass! , so when you took seismic and failed what would you guess you scored? I am taking surveying next month, would you say the test was hard, tricky? and would you recommend https://www.civilpesurveyingreview.com/ ? If their practice exam mimics the actual exam

 

I agree with Wensey. The CPESR's course and handouts are not useful. I bought it for the practice exams. The practice exams are useful. 

Seismic I am not so sure. I guessed on ~15 problems, had a few not confident, and ran out of time to check error for the ones I completed.   

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3 minutes ago, ding said:

 

 

I agree with Wensey. The CPESR's course and handouts are not useful. I bought it for the practice exams. The practice exams are useful. 

Seismic I am not so sure. I guessed on ~15 problems, had a few not confident, and ran out of time to check error for the ones I completed.   

 

19 minutes ago, Wensey said:

CPESR's practice tests on line are GREAT. IMO they are MUCH harder than the actual exam. There are 4 practice tests: 1 easy, 2 medium, 1 hard. I'd say the test is somewhere between easy and medium. If you work the Hard problems the test will feel like a breeze.

 

That said, their workbook is hot garbage. It's completely disorganized and even after months of studying I can never remember where anything is (had no problem finding specific pages from memory in Hiner's massive Seismic workbook). I'd like... make my own reference sheets rather than use their workbook. 

 

Would still recommend overall for the practice tests.

Thank you guys for your help. I know the key for these two tests are to practice A LOT OF PROBLEMS OVER AND OVER. I Bought EET review test and I have heard that their practice exam mimics the actual exam. If any know need help with seismic let me know I really recommend EET practice exam + This Practice exam  

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On ‎1‎/‎14‎/‎2019 at 2:54 PM, deltakev said:

Got my results and was only "proficient" in the first category, "marginal" in one, and "deficient" in the rest. I have to say I'm pretty disappointed, as I felt like I had done well this time around. I felt confident in 35-40 of the questions, and due to time basically had to guess on about 10 of the questions. 

@CAPLS is there ANYTHING you're able to tell us about passing percentages, or what constitutes Proficient/Marginal/Deficient for each category? I left the test knowing there was one category I would need to study up on if there was a next time, but seeing that I did THAT badly is a bit of a blow and I'm not sure where I'm even going to start.

The diagnostic is related to the published test plan specifications.

Test Plans:  https://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/applicants/refs.shtml

Document explaining proficient/marginal/deficient:  https://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/applicants/diagnostic_reports.pdf

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On 1/7/2019 at 3:05 PM, CAPLS said:

I've said this before...release of exam results is entirely separate from the licensing process.  If you are waiting for exam results, the email will be your communication.  If you subsequently are waiting to be notified about licensure, feel free to watch for the email or the online license search.

So we've all received our Dec 2018 CA test results.  I have passed both tests, but I can't find any official statements on what the final process is.  Anyone know how long it will take to receive the license?  CA just sent notice of passing tests, and as CAPLS indicates, we'll receive the license in the future...without having to pay more, or do anything proactive?  I have a pending promotion contingent upon receiving the CA license.

 

Also, the PPI Survey Reference manual was terrible, as well as the recorded webinar.  I have 4 solid pages of hand-written errata I discovered while reading through.  Some errata were very important, such as the wrong conversion factors or incorrect formulas (and it didn't even contain photogrammetry).  The layout was not very reference friendly either.  The lectures barely skimmed all topics and I didn't feel it went deep, or complex enough.  However, the practice problems and practice tests were OK (the reference manual didn't even cover some of the topics of some questions in the practice exams).  I also used a Mansour Survey book, and even though it is dated, I couldn't recommend it more.  It is a very good reference, though I think it would be hard to learn with just the book, so I'd recommend taking the class with it.  The equations were well laid out for quick reference.  The practice tests were very dated, and I think the PPI Practice Exams seemed closer to the exam.  I ended up creating my own reference binder of notes and copied reference pages from both PPI, Mansour, the internet (surveyor instruction courses/notes I found), and the NCEES Prof. Survey Exam Reference Manual (free online).  That helped my speed, but also its creation helped me get more familiar with topics.  I ended up only using my 60 page binder for the Survey test.

 

Hiner for the win on Seismic.  I may have purchased more practice tests if I had to do it again.

 

Thanks

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1 hour ago, KC-Eng said:

So we've all received our Dec 2018 CA test results.  I have passed both tests, but I can't find any official statements on what the final process is.  Anyone know how long it will take to receive the license?  CA just sent notice of passing tests, and as CAPLS indicates, we'll receive the license in the future...without having to pay more, or do anything proactive?  I have a pending promotion contingent upon receiving the CA license.

 

Also, the PPI Survey Reference manual was terrible, as well as the recorded webinar.  I have 4 solid pages of hand-written errata I discovered while reading through.  Some errata were very important, such as the wrong conversion factors or incorrect formulas (and it didn't even contain photogrammetry).  The layout was not very reference friendly either.  The lectures barely skimmed all topics and I didn't feel it went deep, or complex enough.  However, the practice problems and practice tests were OK (the reference manual didn't even cover some of the topics of some questions in the practice exams).  I also used a Mansour Survey book, and even though it is dated, I couldn't recommend it more.  It is a very good reference, though I think it would be hard to learn with just the book, so I'd recommend taking the class with it.  The equations were well laid out for quick reference.  The practice tests were very dated, and I think the PPI Practice Exams seemed closer to the exam.  I ended up creating my own reference binder of notes and copied reference pages from both PPI, Mansour, the internet (surveyor instruction courses/notes I found), and the NCEES Prof. Survey Exam Reference Manual (free online).  That helped my speed, but also its creation helped me get more familiar with topics.  I ended up only using my 60 page binder for the Survey test.

 

Hiner for the win on Seismic.  I may have purchased more practice tests if I had to do it again.

 

Thanks

There isn't really a set timeline, but within the next week or two (licensing cycles are independent of the exams) you'll get an e-mail from the board that congratulates you on becoming a licensed engineer and will provide you with a license number. I got my notice that I passed on September 10th and got the email with my license number on September 18th. The actual license will come in sometime after that, but that should be enough for your promotion. You don't have to do anything now but wait for the e-mail and then the license to come in. However, your license will only be active until the end of the quarter in which you receive it, so you'll have to renew your license before the end of March. It's around $116 if I remember correctly. 

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What do we think, will the license numbers be released today? Today is the first Friday of the month. The last license (#90014) was issued Jan 18 - the third Friday of the month. Others have said the CA board typically releases licenses on the first and third Friday of the month. 

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So, anyone else still waiting for their license verification? Got notice that I passed my last exam on January 14 and still not a peep from BPELSG about the license. Checked the database already, too. All my coworkers who have passed previously were notified of licensure witchin about a week of getting their exam results. 😕 Is this typical?

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47 minutes ago, StillWaiting said:

So, anyone else still waiting for their license verification? Got notice that I passed my last exam on January 14 and still not a peep from BPELSG about the license. Checked the database already, too. All my coworkers who have passed previously were notified of licensure witchin about a week of getting their exam results. 😕 Is this typical?

I am also waiting, been checking everyday...

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Anybody else receive their license yet after passing the test. I'm still waiting but wondering if anyone else has heard anything?

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On 2/11/2019 at 6:50 AM, Reshore said:

Anybody else receive their license yet after passing the test. I'm still waiting but wondering if anyone else has heard anything?

Same here still... Someone else pointed out that the board issues licenses every 2 weeks on Fridays, the last licenses were issued Feb 1, so here's hoping for good news this Friday!

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@CAPLS can you clarify whether the Notice of Successful Examination form is required with the new application process? I passed the NCEES exam prior to applying, and included my NCEES results in my application, but there seems to be buzz that it is still required. Is that true? Wondering if this is what's holding up my license approval. 

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22 hours ago, StillWaiting said:

@CAPLS can you clarify whether the Notice of Successful Examination form is required with the new application process? I passed the NCEES exam prior to applying, and included my NCEES results in my application, but there seems to be buzz that it is still required. Is that true? Wondering if this is what's holding up my license approval. 

Yes, that notice is required when submitting a new application.

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On 2/15/2019 at 10:15 PM, TXbrand said:

I haven’t seen any new licenses issued today. I guess we’ll have to keep waiting. 

Hi @TXbrand, did you get your license number? Thanks,

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No, I haven’t received a license number yet. I’m confused by the @CAPLS comment above about submitting the notice of successful examination. My application was submitted under the new process, so I had to pass the 8hr NCEES exam prior to applying. I was approved to take the state exams in Q4. I passed seismic and surveying in December. My understanding was I just need to wait for the CA board to assign a license number. Am I missing a step? 

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5 hours ago, TXbrand said:

No, I haven’t received a license number yet. I’m confused by the @CAPLS comment above about submitting the notice of successful examination. My application was submitted under the new process, so I had to pass the 8hr NCEES exam prior to applying. I was approved to take the state exams in Q4. I passed seismic and surveying in December. My understanding was I just need to wait for the CA board to assign a license number. Am I missing a step? 

You passed both exams in December and you haven’t gotten your license number!!! That’s really odd, have you tried contacting/ e-mailing the board? They are so responsive. 

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15 hours ago, TXbrand said:

No, I haven’t received a license number yet. I’m confused by the @CAPLS comment above about submitting the notice of successful examination. My application was submitted under the new process, so I had to pass the 8hr NCEES exam prior to applying. I was approved to take the state exams in Q4. I passed seismic and surveying in December. My understanding was I just need to wait for the CA board to assign a license number. Am I missing a step? 

PM me your name and contact info so I can check on it for you. 

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On 2/20/2019 at 3:26 PM, TXbrand said:

No, I haven’t received a license number yet. I’m confused by the @CAPLS comment above about submitting the notice of successful examination. My application was submitted under the new process, so I had to pass the 8hr NCEES exam prior to applying. I was approved to take the state exams in Q4. I passed seismic and surveying in December. My understanding was I just need to wait for the CA board to assign a license number. Am I missing a step? 

I am in the exact same boat - passed Surveying in Nov and Seismic in December, passed NCEES last spring before even applying. Still no license number. I tried emailing BPELSG twice with no response. 

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On 2/20/2019 at 3:26 PM, TXbrand said:

No, I haven’t received a license number yet. I’m confused by the @CAPLS comment above about submitting the notice of successful examination. My application was submitted under the new process, so I had to pass the 8hr NCEES exam prior to applying. I was approved to take the state exams in Q4. I passed seismic and surveying in December. My understanding was I just need to wait for the CA board to assign a license number. Am I missing a step? 

Passing the national exam before taking the state exam is a recommendation and NOT a requirement. You can take the state exams (on application approval by the board) before you attempt/pass the national exam. In your case, I'm guessing, and it's just a guess, that the board has no idea you passed the national and is waiting for that notification via the 'Notice of Successful Examination Form'. This means the approval of your application by the state is completely independent of you passing the national exam. Hope this helps. 

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1 hour ago, structural2552 said:

Passing the national exam before taking the state exam is a recommendation and NOT a requirement. You can take the state exams (on application approval by the board) before you attempt/pass the national exam. In your case, I'm guessing, and it's just a guess, that the board has no idea you passed the national and is waiting for that notification via the 'Notice of Successful Examination Form'. This means the approval of your application by the state is completely independent of you passing the national exam. Hope this helps. 

Actually... you have to pass  the national exam BEFORE you take the state exams. In order to register for the state exams, you have to fill out an application which has a checklist. One of the items in that checklist says something like "I have passed the National NCEES Exam". You have to have that checked off in order for your application to be approved. So the application does 2 things, it registers you for the state exams as well as register you to become a licensed Civil PE once you pass those state exams.

I'm confused about the part where you have to submit a "Notice of Successful Examination" form though because I got my license number automatically a couple weeks after I passed the state exams. I didn't have to fill out that form. (I was under the new process)

 

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24 minutes ago, Baby Hamster said:

Actually... you have to pass  the national exam BEFORE you take the state exams. In order to register for the state exams, you have to fill out an application which has a checklist. One of the items in that checklist says something like "I have passed the National NCEES Exam". You have to have that checked off in order for your application to be approved. So the application does 2 things, it registers you for the state exams as well as register you to become a licensed Civil PE once you pass those state exams.

I'm confused about the part where you have to submit a "Notice of Successful Examination" form though because I got my license number automatically a couple weeks after I passed the state exams. I didn't have to fill out that form. (I was under the new process)

 

Right. So here's my story:

I sent in my application to the board November 2017. My application was processed and approved by February 2018. I was under the impression I HAD to pass the national exam, let the board know about it via that form, and that only then I would receive the ATT for the state exams. I attempted the national exam in Spring 2018, did not pass. Passed October 2018, and sent over the form to the board so that I could get my ATT for seismic and surveying. It was only after a dozen unsuccessful emails that I was told by a Licensing Analyst, and her boss (head licensing analyst) that an ATT had been sent to me in March 2018 (much before I took the national exam the first time round) and that I had a "No-Show" both in the Board and Prometric records. That's when they also told me passing the national exam is NOT a requirement. They only recommend it. I understand the board portrays it like you HAVE to. So I repaid the examination fees and I'm appearing for the exams this month. The ATT emails from March 2018 went to my spam (I know now because the most recent ATT emails, from Jan 2019, also went there and I kept an eye out for them) and there's no way of recovering those after 8-9 months, because they get deleted every 30 days automatically. I saw no point in arguing after that, especially if those were the board rules and I had interpreted them wrongly.

I don't know if the rules have changed or not since then, but I was told a lot of people fall for the same misunderstanding about the national exam and state applications. And that can be seen on the forum quite a bit here. May be @CAPLS can throw more light on this issue and clear it out once and for all for us so no one ever has to go through what I went through. 

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