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1 minute ago, Kalika PE said:

I am asking the instructor of the course about selling the binder. Thanks for clarifying this information. I was understanding this from a different perspective. Selling the material but prohibiting any copies of the binder from being distributed. Hopefully I have a response soon. 

Keep in mind, the original is also considered to be a "copy" from a legal perspective. It's just the original copy.

And IMHO, in the grand scheme of things, the binder is rather useless without the accompanying course and instructional videos from Dr. Callen. Sure there are some good practice problems and useful formulae, but there are plenty of other commercially available resources today that have the same if not better subject matter.

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Any bets on what the response will be?

:poop:

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1 minute ago, Szar said:

Any bets on what the response will be?

:poop:

Knowing Dr. Callen, nope!  LOL

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7 minutes ago, Szar said:

Any bets on what the response will be?

:poop:

What’s the minimum bet you will accept? 😊

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6 minutes ago, knight1fox3 said:

Knowing Dr. Callen, nope!  LOL

Possibly but one can only ask or hope. 🤞

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Just now, Kalika PE said:

Possibly but one can only ask or hope. 🤞

Not sure why, but Ok. :dunno:

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I get the deal with not distributing PDFs, but every book is copyrighted. Are you suggesting no used book can ever be resold? There are literally thousands of used books on Amazon and in “Used book stores” everywhere. 

 

Like I said, I get the digital thing or making copies, but originals?

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2 hours ago, Surf and Snow said:

I get the deal with not distributing PDFs, but every book is copyrighted. Are you suggesting no used book can ever be resold? There are literally thousands of used books on Amazon and in “Used book stores” everywhere. 

 

Like I said, I get the digital thing or making copies, but originals?

Did you sign an agreement when you recieved that book not to distribute it?

Your talking about first sale doctrine, however in these circumstances that right was waived.

Would a legal challenge about the waiver of first sale doctrine survive a court challange?  No idea... not a laywer.

But part of me still thinks you signed it, stop trying to make a profit on someone else's labor and work.

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Its also fair to point out that first sale doctrine doesnt apply to e copies or pdfs which this was most likely recieved as.

Any reproduction, aka printing, of a copyrighted pdf document is technically a violation of the copy right law unless you were given specific permissions to physicslly reproduce it for your own limited use.

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12 hours ago, Szar said:

Did you sign an agreement when you recieved that book not to distribute it?

Your talking about first sale doctrine, however in these circumstances that right was waived.

Would a legal challenge about the waiver of first sale doctrine survive a court challange?  No idea... not a laywer.

But part of me still thinks you signed it, stop trying to make a profit on someone else's labor and work.

Hey buddy, I didn’t sign shlt, because I don’t have shlt, and I’m not trying to sell shlt. Wrong guy. I don’t have class binders or any of that. Not me. Im not trying to make profits of other people’s labor. 

I’m simply trying to have a conversation while you are up on your high horse that used hardback books are sold everywhere. ( Reread the thread, I’m not talking about class notes nor am I involved in any of that) 

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12 hours ago, Szar said:

Did you sign an agreement when you recieved that book not to distribute it?

Your talking about first sale doctrine, however in these circumstances that right was waived.

Would a legal challenge about the waiver of first sale doctrine survive a court challange?  No idea... not a laywer.

But part of me still thinks you signed it, stop trying to make a profit on someone else's labor and work.

 

16 minutes ago, Surf and Snow said:

Hey buddy, I didn’t sign shlt, because I don’t have shlt, and I’m not trying to sell shlt. Wrong guy. I don’t have class binders or any of that. Not me. Im not trying to make profits of other people’s labor. 

I’m simply trying to have a conversation while you are up on your high horse that used hardback books are sold everywhere. ( Reread the thread, I’m not talking about class notes nor am I involved in any of that) 

 

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Sorry guys for starting a discussion that may have elevated.  I understand everyone's point and did not realize I may have been breaking an agreement.  Honestly, I took this class 2.5 years ago and I have been searching through emails for the terms and conditions I signed when I took the class because I can't remember that far back.  This is why I emailed the instructor to ensure I am not violating anything. I am not selling the binder for a profit but just 1/9th of the cost I invested into this $995 course.  My wallet took a serious hit for this exam (as expected) and trying to recover just a small fraction would help (with/without the binder).  

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1 hour ago, Surf and Snow said:

Hey buddy, I didn’t sign shlt, because I don’t have shlt, and I’m not trying to sell shlt. Wrong guy. I don’t have class binders or any of that. Not me. Im not trying to make profits of other people’s labor. 

I’m simply trying to have a conversation while you are up on your high horse that used hardback books are sold everywhere. ( Reread the thread, I’m not talking about class notes nor am I involved in any of that) 

Your getting far to worked up about a post, especially if it doesnt impact you in any way.

 I only quoted you because you asked about first sale docterine.  

Try rereading my post in a passive, 1 am, with no horse in the game voice and let me know if your still upset.

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The "did you sign a waiver" was in regard to an original book (any random book) and resale.  Again, in regard to your question about reselling original books and to differentiate how the course book isnt the same.

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I mean,  the only thing that actually upsets me about all this is i provided the exact clause that lets happen what is being discussed, and it appears that was apparently not reviewed before responding...

 

Oh well.  Internet and all.

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On ‎5‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 7:46 PM, BirdGrave said:

While I don't think anything that helps you get through the exam is a waste because it will pay for itself many times over I agree that Graffeo is the single best book you can bring with you into the exam for aid with conceptual questions.  Its pithy nature allows you to seek out the vital information you need while at the same time not waste precious minutes doing a lot of flipping through pages.

A combination of Graffeo + Engineer Pro Guides Formula Sheet + School of PE notes + Tom Henry NEC keyword index was my winning combination.  I barely even looked at any of my other resources throughout the exam, save for the actual NEC.  

Hi is 2017 the latest edition of Graffeo? I have an older one and I found some mistakes. Was hoping the new one was updated.

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On 6/3/2018 at 12:35 PM, Surf and Snow said:

Hey buddy, I didn’t sign shlt, because I don’t have shlt, and I’m not trying to sell shlt. Wrong guy. I don’t have class binders or any of that. Not me. Im not trying to make profits of other people’s labor. 

I’m simply trying to have a conversation while you are up on your high horse that used hardback books are sold everywhere. ( Reread the thread, I’m not talking about class notes nor am I involved in any of that) 

Let's keep it civil in here (1st warning). No one appears to be acting on their "high horse" as you put it. And yes, we all understand that copyrighted materials are bought, sold, and re-sold each and every day. However, where this particular instance differs with the GA Tech binder, is the associated terms & conditions that accompanied the initial purchase of the review course. As I indicated above and recall from when I took the course, the T's&C's specifically indicate the course materials are not to be re-distributed under GA Tech's specific copyright disclaimer. And certainly not intended to be sold for any sort of monetary value (whether it be a profit or a loss) since GA Tech owns the rights to it. 

22 hours ago, Kalika PE said:

Sorry guys for starting a discussion that may have elevated.  I understand everyone's point and did not realize I may have been breaking an agreement.  Honestly, I took this class 2.5 years ago and I have been searching through emails for the terms and conditions I signed when I took the class because I can't remember that far back.  This is why I emailed the instructor to ensure I am not violating anything. I am not selling the binder for a profit but just 1/9th of the cost I invested into this $995 course.  My wallet took a serious hit for this exam (as expected) and trying to recover just a small fraction would help (with/without the binder).  

I understand that and can relate to it. However, just like a college education, the GA Tech review course is an investment. And typically what you gain from it (in this case a PE license), recouping the cost would hopefully come from your respective employer in the form of either direct re-imbursement and/or a salary increase. I wasn't about to start selling university-owned materials from my undergraduate school in an attempt to recoup that investment (just an example). 

Most often today with the IoT (Internet of Things), the "terms & condition" that people "sign", is generally a lengthy digital agreement with a check-box at the end (of which most people to read through in great detail). I'm guessing this what part of the online registration process when you made the corresponding payment to GA Tech for the review course. 

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43 minutes ago, knight1fox3 said:

I understand that and can relate to it. However, just like a college education, the GA Tech review course is an investment. And typically what you gain from it (in this case a PE license), recouping the cost would hopefully come from your respective employer in the form of either direct re-imbursement and/or a salary increase. I wasn't about to start selling university-owned materials from my undergraduate school in an attempt to recoup that investment (just an example). 

Most often today with the IoT (Internet of Things), the "terms & condition" that people "sign", is generally a lengthy digital agreement with a check-box at the end (of which most people to read through in great detail). I'm guessing this what part of the online registration process when you made the corresponding payment to GA Tech for the review course.

Unfortunately I didn’t keep a copy of the T&C’s for the course but I updated my ad to remove it. Appreciate the feedback on this subject. 

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3 hours ago, Vette388 said:

Hi is 2017 the latest edition of Graffeo? I have an older one and I found some mistakes. Was hoping the new one was updated.

Graffeo’s website has the errata for all printings so you shouldn’t feel compelled to buy a different version. Here is the link to his site:

http://powerpeexamguide.com/about-the-power-p-e-exam/errata.html

Good luck with your studying!

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24 minutes ago, Kalika PE said:

Unfortunately I didn’t keep a copy of the T&C’s for the course but I updated my ad to remove it. Appreciate the feedback on this subject. 

Most people (myself included) don't necessarily get a copy of the T&C's unless specifically requested in writing. Once you check that "I agree" box, it's essentially out-of-sight, out-of-mind. I'm still interested in how Dr. Callen responds to your inquiry. If he decides to authorize you to sell it, more power to you! :thumbs:

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5 minutes ago, knight1fox3 said:

Most people (myself included) don't necessarily get a copy of the T&C's unless specifically requested in writing. Once you check that "I agree" box, it's essentially out-of-sight, out-of-mind. I'm still interested in how Dr. Callen responds to your inquiry. If he decides to authorize you to sell it, more power to you! :thumbs:

He finally got back to me today. He did not say yes or no but talked about GT not being able to sell binders individually because they procure it in bulk and don’t buy/sell it separate from the course.  I didn’t want to try to interpret this so I will err on the side of caution. 

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On ‎6‎/‎2‎/‎2018 at 9:59 AM, knight1fox3 said:

Any ads you might have seen here that are selling the GA Tech review course binder are in breech of the associated terms & conditions. This was a previous debate a number of years ago here on this forum. If you read through all that GA Tech sent when you accepted the agreement and submitted payment (FYI, I also took the course), the sole intent of the binder is for the end-user only who purchased the accompanying review course. In essence, you would be turning a profit from GA Tech copyrighted material without first obtaining express written permission from the university to do so. It would be somewhat different if the binder were publicly offered, but alas it is not.

Agreed.  In all candor, even if it was OK to sell, you don't get the full benefit of the class by just studying the binder and not viewing the lectures.  I realize the course is costly but I think it's a good value and it certainly helped me.  Just my two cents.

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11 hours ago, Vette388 said:

Hi is 2017 the latest edition of Graffeo? I have an older one and I found some mistakes. Was hoping the new one was updated.

Mine was the second edition.  It has a lot of corrections for his grammatical errors, as well as a new section on DC transmission lines.  I think it came out in 2017.

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