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16 hours ago, SacMe24 said:

I'm telling you.... today has been especially bad for me. My anxiety has been through the roof!....those exam results can't come fast enough....

Then you need a hobby to take your mind off things. :thumbs:

 

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4 minutes ago, knight1fox3 said:

Then you need a hobby to take your mind off things. :thumbs:

 

Yes !... I started playing the piano again which is really helping... thanks!

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On 5/1/2018 at 6:05 AM, RBHeadge PE said:

 

It happens every time. Gotta work out those new test kinks.

We can almost always retroactively attribute a results release delay due to an exam committee meeting post-test to discuss any anomalies and establish the cut score. The larger tests (CE, EE, ME, etc) proactively schedule these meetings so it typically doesn't impact the release date much. The larger tests also get screened by a lot more people before release too which cuts back on anomalies. But the smaller tests (nuclear, petro, ag, FP, etc) often scheduled ad-hoc and it delays things a few weeks. The larger tests committees are run by NCEES, whereas the smaller test committees tend to be run by professional societies. Obviously the NCEES committees are more sensitive to the schedule needs and can actually pay people to attend meetings. Professional societies, tend to be volunteers who need to take off time from work and schedule last minute flights cross country on their own dime. The implications here are obvious.

We usually see delays due to new tests for October exams but it can happen for April too.

So now that you have the background you want to know how it may actually effect you? This cycle all of the Electrical exams, Environmental, and Architectural exams have updated their questions and format. Per the civil webpage:  Const, Struct, and Geo have also updated their test too but this isn't reflected fully in exam content PDFs so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . EE and Envr meet May 18-19 at NCESS for an exam standard setting study meeting. Architectural also meets May 18-19 at a different location for their standard setting study meeting (source: https://ncees.org/wp-content/uploads/2_Licensure-Exchange_April-2018.pdf on page 11). I don't see anything about CE meetings. If those meetings are held specifically to discuss the new exam then you shouldn't expect results until a few business days after those meetings. The name implies its a cut score meeting. But it's possible that those meetings might not be related to the new exam and there may not be a delay as a result. If CE has to hold a meeting all bets are off.

Meetings may also be needed to address new problems that arise with established exam questions. Or NCEES may need to investigate something that happened at a test site and need more time to complete their work. It's rare that that alone would cause a delay but the possibility can't be discounted.

And don't get me started on the rumor about how the new pencil erasers are screwing with things. That has the October 2014 pencil lead fiasco written all over it.

tl;dr nominal release around May 23-25

I see. So does this result in a lower cut score? I know it’s not available information but I had to guess a lot and felt like there were many questions I didn’t study so left the test feeling like I failed, and still feel like that despite 3 months of studying and taking a course. 

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1 hour ago, SacMe24 said:

Yes !... I started playing the piano again which is really helping... thanks!

go to the gym also, run run run!!!! sweat sweat sweat!!! make your life busy in a good way!

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Just now, Lucas H said:

go to the gym also, run run run!!!! sweat sweat sweat!!! make your life busy in a good way!

Oh yes.... doing that too. Studying for the PE added 10 lbs to my waistline so now working on getting rid of it...

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geez,,,10lb? i remebered last year when I study PE, i also went to the gym, not to lose weight, just to lose the damn nervousness and the damn stress. so I did not gain any weight! oh, by the by,  I also played piano!!!

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9 minutes ago, Lucas H said:

geez,,,10lb? i remebered last year when I study PE, i also went to the gym, not to lose weight, just to lose the damn nervousness and the damn stress. so I did not gain any weight! oh, by the by,  I also played piano!!!

Yes unfortunately when I study I get the munchies BAD....anyway... as of this morning I had already lost 6 so very happy about that...just a matter of drinking more water, EATING healthier and of course working out. 

So cool that you play the piano as well, they do say that mathematicians make good musicians... and us engineers are "supposed" to be good at math so... haha... I had my piano tuned days after the exam with the express purpose of replacing study time with practice time...

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6 minutes ago, SacMe24 said:

Yes unfortunately when I study I get the munchies BAD....anyway... as of this morning I had already lost 6 so very happy about that...just a matter of drinking more water, EATING healthier and of course working out. 

So cool that you play the piano as well, they do say that mathematicians make good musicians... and us engineers are "supposed" to be good at math so... haha... I had my piano tuned days after the exam with the express purpose of replacing study time with practice time...

I gained 15 lbs because of this test...

Well that and the local Pizzeria who delivered in 15 minutes.

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4 minutes ago, SacMe24 said:

Yes unfortunately when I study I get the munchies BAD....anyway... as of this morning I had already lost 6 so very happy about that...just a matter of drinking more water, EATING healthier and of course working out. 

So cool that you play the piano as well, they do say that mathematicians make good musicians... and us engineers are "supposed" to be good at math so... haha... I had my piano tuned days after the exam with the express purpose of replacing study time with practice time...

nice job for losing 6! well, no idea engineers are prone to playing piano well. I just felt like playing piano looks so cool, lol.  I started playing from the date I got the PE results. so now i am still like entry level,,,,,ugh, I have hard time to play chord inversion and 4-note chords. how can you overcome this!?

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13 minutes ago, kimberly9 said:

I see. So does this result in a lower cut score? I know it’s not available information but I had to guess a lot and felt like there were many questions I didn’t study so left the test feeling like I failed, and still feel like that despite 3 months of studying and taking a course. 

Welcome to the Phase 4, subphase a: full blown doubt and trying to calculate the cut-score! ;)

 

 

There isn't anyway way to determine if these meetings will raise or lower the cut score. Every new test in every discipline has these meetings and the results of these meetings are baked into the cut scores of previous tests.  So in the grand scheme of things it probably won't move deviate from the average anyway.

Recall that the "cut score" is really the average number of correctly designed test problems that a PE would get correct. As a gedanken you can break questions down into a few broad categories:

  1. easy questions that all PEs would get correct
  2. medium questions that most PEs would get correct (ex: 67%)
  3. hard questions and specialized knowledge questions that a few PEs would get correct but more than 25% would get correct (ex: 33%)
  4. really hard questions that =<25% of PEs would get correct, i.e. worse than guessing. These questions may exist to force the examinee to waste time attempting to solve these questions rather than spend time on the lower hanging fruit above.
  5. FUBAR'd questions that are just wrong and should be tossed

Add all the total in (1), a whole number fraction of (2) [ex: 2/3 of (2)], a lower whole number fraction of (3) [ex: 1/3 of (3)], and maybe some tiny fraction from (4) and you get the cut score. This isn't actually how the arrive at the cut score but it's close enough for demonstration purposes. The numbers I provided above are arbitrary and should be treated as such.

Really it's probably closer to a weighted fraction summation of my simplified categories 1-4 combined with some fancy statistics,  or done via having a large enough sample of PEs take the test and get their average score, or both.

 

People like to talk about questions being tossed and it's not that common. An overabundance of cat 3 questions or a question being too hard (cat 4) is different than it being unfit (cat 5). The former don't count much towards the cut score. The latter have a weight of zero. The committees would usually only "toss" a question if there was an error in the question itself. Something like:

  • two or more of the multiple-choice answers are identical, this happens way more often than it should
  • the correct answer isn't one of the choices available, this does not necessarily apply to "most nearly questions"
  • more than one correct answer
  • the question is worded is a confusing or ambiguous manner, not to be confused with carefully questions that are meant to deceive those who did not carefully read the question
  • typos, transcription, and printing errors
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24 minutes ago, Lucas H said:

go to the gym also, run run run!!!! sweat sweat sweat!!! make your life busy in a good way!

 

21 minutes ago, Lucas H said:

geez,,,10lb? i remebered last year when I study PE, i also went to the gym, not to lose weight, just to lose the damn nervousness and the damn stress. so I did not gain any weight! oh, by the by,  I also played piano!!!

I didn't gain anything during the study period. But I went to the gym during the wait period to both burn off stress and get in shape . Combined with eating healthier, I lost 20lbs over that two month period. I dropped another 40+ afterwards as I kept at it. I've kept off the fat since. The anxiety of waiting for the results was actually a good thing for my long term health.

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Don't forget, spam spam spam!

 

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On 4/30/2018 at 1:36 PM, ME_VT said:

I work full time and have a 2 year old. The only thing thats getting worked out is my liver

I feel your pain. Also work full time plus two kids (the second one was born March 12 this year...).

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1 hour ago, Lucas H said:

nice job for losing 6! well, no idea engineers are prone to playing piano well. I just felt like playing piano looks so cool, lol.  I started playing from the date I got the PE results. so now i am still like entry level,,,,,ugh, I have hard time to play chord inversion and 4-note chords. how can you overcome this!?

Thanks !.... and there are plenty of easy to follow videos on YouTube about chord inversions etc... check them out. I've learned a lot from them myself.

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1 hour ago, Szar said:

I gained 15 lbs because of this test...

Well that and the local Pizzeria who delivered in 15 minutes.

It sucks doesn't it...I mean, you're sitting on a chair at work for 8+ hours... then you go home and sit on another chair for 3 or so hours every day. Do that for 3 months while you eat and eat and the result is 2 additional inches around the waist... ugghh... ohh well. Hopefully it'll all be worth it when we get our results in a few weeks.

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I have google chrome default to this page.

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6 hours ago, Lucas H said:

geez,,,10lb? i remebered last year when I study PE, i also went to the gym, not to lose weight, just to lose the damn nervousness and the damn stress. so I did not gain any weight! oh, by the by,  I also played piano!!!

 

6 hours ago, Szar said:

I gained 15 lbs because of this test...

Well that and the local Pizzeria who delivered in 15 minutes.

 

5 hours ago, SacMe24 said:

It sucks doesn't it...I mean, you're sitting on a chair at work for 8+ hours... then you go home and sit on another chair for 3 or so hours every day. Do that for 3 months while you eat and eat and the result is 2 additional inches around the waist... ugghh... ohh well. Hopefully it'll all be worth it when we get our results in a few weeks.

 

How did your guys gain weight? Mine was 61 kg, I dropped to 50 kg ( one morning was 49.5) after the exam.

Only 3 months, I became a skeleton. I feel I transformed from fat Majin Buu to the slim one.... 

I gained a little back now, but only 52.5 this morning. 

 

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5 hours ago, treadlight said:

I have google chrome default to this page.

This thread will be the hottest till the result day...

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11 minutes ago, Mr. Zane said:

This thread will be the hottest till the result day...

For realz...all other topics have been exhausted....bahaha 

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Just now, SacMe24 said:

For realz...all other topics have been exhausted....bahaha 

Yeah, agree. And this will be heated up again to the boiling point after October round. I bet!!!

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Looks like NCEES is no longer accepting feedback on the questions. It's been wrapped up. Ask me how I know.

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11 minutes ago, emmajuwa said:

Looks like NCEES is no longer accepting feedback on the questions. It's been wrapped up. Ask me how I know.

Yes, how do you know?

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16 minutes ago, Mr. Zane said:

Yes, how do you know?

Out of anxiety, I check NCEES every now and then. The website had the landing page that directs you on to provide feedback on the April 2018 questions. It's no longer there as we move towards day 21 after the exams.

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1 hour ago, emmajuwa said:

Out of anxiety, I check NCEES every now and then. The website had the landing page that directs you on to provide feedback on the April 2018 questions. It's no longer there as we move towards day 21 after the exams.

They might have flagged your account for increased scrutiny due to what appeared to them as a ddos attack. 

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They might have flagged your account for increased scrutiny due to what appeared to them as a ddos attack. 
Hahaha. You are right.

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