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The person's username was 12122019, which is weird so I'm going to call her Stacy.

Highlights:

  • Stacy didn't clearly understand she wasn't allowed to use a notebook for scratch paper during the exam. She thought "writing tablet" (from the examinee guide) meant an iPad or similar. 
  • When Stacy arrived at the exam, she asked a proctor if she could use the notebook since she wasn't clear if it was allowed or note. The proctor said yes.
  • When Stacy was sitting at her seat, she asked the Chief Proctor if she could use the notebook, and the proctor said yes.
  • While Stacy was in the middle of the exam, a third proctor came by and said the notebook was not allowed. Stacy handed over the notebook and asked the proctor if she was allowed to continue the exam. The proctor said yes.
  • Somewhere during one of these interactions, the chief proctor said they would not put anything about this incident on the report.
  • After all the exam results were released, Stacy had still not received hers.
  • Stacy contacted NCEES and the California board (?) multiple times inquiring about the status of her results.
  • Stacy mentioned the lady she talked with on the phone from the engineering board was "yelling and sneering" at her (she didn't give a reason why).
  • Stacy then submitted complaints to NCEES and the board about their unprofessionalism and inefficiencies in delivering the results.
  • Stacy was then notified her results were invalidated and was given a 3 year ban from taking the exam.
  • We later come to find out Stacy had contacted NCEES after the exam and told them everything that happened with the notebook, and was just verifying everything was still good.
  • Stacy believed the 3 year ban was retaliation from the board because of her complaint.
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4 minutes ago, Chattaneer PE said:

The person's username was 12122019, which is weird so I'm going to call her Stacy.

Highlights:

  • Stacy didn't clearly understand she wasn't allowed to use a notebook for scratch paper during the exam. She thought "writing tablet" (from the examinee guide) meant an iPad or similar. 
  • When Stacy arrived at the exam, she asked a proctor if she could use the notebook since she wasn't clear if it was allowed or note. The proctor said yes.
  • When Stacy was sitting at her seat, she asked the Chief Proctor if she could use the notebook, and the proctor said yes.
  • While Stacy was in the middle of the exam, a third proctor came by and said the notebook was not allowed. Stacy handed over the notebook and asked the proctor if she was allowed to continue the exam. The proctor said yes.
  • Somewhere during one of these interactions, the chief proctor said they would not put anything about this incident on the report.
  • After all the exam results were released, Stacy had still not received hers.
  • Stacy contacted NCEES and the California board (?) multiple times inquiring about the status of her results.
  • Stacy mentioned the lady she talked with on the phone from the engineering board was "yelling and sneering" at her (she didn't give a reason why).
  • Stacy then submitted complaints to NCEES and the board about their unprofessionalism and inefficiencies in delivering the results.
  • Stacy was then notified her results were invalidated and was given a 3 year ban from taking the exam.
  • We later come to find out Stacy had contacted NCEES after the exam and told them everything that happened with the notebook, and was just verifying everything was still good.
  • Stacy believed the 3 year ban was retaliation from the board because of her complaint.

Seems an unfortunate set of circumstances that, if true, would constitute a valid complaint. I question the veracity of events.

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7 minutes ago, Chattaneer PE said:

The person's username was 12122019, which is weird so I'm going to call her Stacy.

Highlights:

  • Stacy didn't clearly understand she wasn't allowed to use a notebook for scratch paper during the exam. She thought "writing tablet" (from the examinee guide) meant an iPad or similar. 
  • When Stacy arrived at the exam, she asked a proctor if she could use the notebook since she wasn't clear if it was allowed or note. The proctor said yes.
  • When Stacy was sitting at her seat, she asked the Chief Proctor if she could use the notebook, and the proctor said yes.
  • While Stacy was in the middle of the exam, a third proctor came by and said the notebook was not allowed. Stacy handed over the notebook and asked the proctor if she was allowed to continue the exam. The proctor said yes.
  • Somewhere during one of these interactions, the chief proctor said they would not put anything about this incident on the report.
  • After all the exam results were released, Stacy had still not received hers.
  • Stacy contacted NCEES and the California board (?) multiple times inquiring about the status of her results.
  • Stacy mentioned the lady she talked with on the phone from the engineering board was "yelling and sneering" at her (she didn't give a reason why).
  • Stacy then submitted complaints to NCEES and the board about their unprofessionalism and inefficiencies in delivering the results.
  • Stacy was then notified her results were invalidated and was given a 3 year ban from taking the exam.
  • We later come to find out Stacy had contacted NCEES after the exam and told them everything that happened with the notebook, and was just verifying everything was still good.
  • Stacy believed the 3 year ban was retaliation from the board because of her complaint.

I saw that thread and stayed out of it, because I figured I didn't have anything helpful besides "totally understand contacting them to verify everything was okay with the notebook, but that was probably your downfall." Assuming everything stated was true, that is. I did find the accusation of "sneering" interesting.

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She also got very heated and accusatory in the thread. But yes, that is the rough gist of sequence of events she seemed to be telling the story of.

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It was definitely difficult to watch...I certainly sympathize with her. But without anything to go on except her word, it’s going to be difficult to gain traction whatever action she takes.

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Personally, when I read it, I was kinda like, "gurl, you shouldn't have contacted NCEES after the exam.  All the proctor's said you were fine/wouldn't report the incident, but by you contacting NCEES you might have fucked over some proctor's and pissed off NCEES enough that they reported everything/invalidated your results."  And I'm sure they got salty, thus resulting in the ban.

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That's one of those situations where you just keep your mouth shut.

If the proctor really did say they weren't going to put anything in a report, move on! I know I wouldn't be compelled in any way to contact NCEES to ask if everything will be ok.

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48 minutes ago, Audi driver, P.E. said:
48 minutes ago, Chattaneer PE said:

You want a summary?

Sure.

 

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38 minutes ago, Audi driver, P.E. said:

 I question the veracity of events.

There were certainly some parts of her story that didn't quite add up. But maybe that was a language issue?

35 minutes ago, txjennah PE said:

 I did find the accusation of "sneering" interesting.

33 minutes ago, leggo PE said:

She also got very heated and accusatory in the thread.

Her first two posts could have been politely interpreted as venting. She didn't do herself any favors in the beginning of the thread.

19 minutes ago, JayKay PE said:

 All the proctor's said you were fine/wouldn't report the incident, but by you contacting NCEES you might have fucked over some proctor's and pissed off NCEES enough that they reported everything/invalidated your results." And I'm sure they got salty, thus resulting in the ban.

It was the California board who handed out the ban, not ncees. They would have arrived at that punishment at their bimonthly meeting, two weeks before she filed her complaints with the State government and Clemson BBB. The timeline doesn't make me think it was retaliatory. It must have been pretty damning evidence for the board to come down that hard on her.

 

It's a pretty awful situation but there were a lot self-inflicted wounds.

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I have to ask: why is it assumed that the OP is female. I don't recall them ever stating it anywhere and then towards the end of the fiasco someone who wasn't the OP referred to them as "she" 

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10 minutes ago, LyceeFruit PE said:

I have to ask: why is it assumed that the OP is female. I don't recall them ever stating it anywhere and then towards the end of the fiasco someone who wasn't the OP referred to them as "she" 

When she talked about herself in the 3rd person:

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So if an examinee was told by the proctor to use a scratch pad, she followed the proctor's instruction, allowed to complete the 8-hour exam, then got the exam result invalidated and banned for 3 threes. It's totally her mistake.(?)

 

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2 hours ago, blybrook PE said:

The bear took you down cause you had a service weapon that just pissed it off.

Round these parts, if you're not carrying a 357 mag (and are accurate with it) or a 44 mag or larger (45's don't count), you can typically kiss your ass goodbye, if it's not a bluff charge. I've told a few folks that carry something smaller / lighter (38 special, 9mm or similar) to save the last few rounds for themselves and their dog(s) as they'll be dealing with an injured bear which is even more dangerous.

I think the bear was also jealous that I did better in the evening gown portion of the competition. 

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Well today is my Friday! We're having some friends from FL come up for the weekend. I'm glad it's going to be relatively cold here (26°F) for these beach bums lol

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I just realized today is my Friday...Uh.  Shit.  Did not get as much done as I wanted.

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today is also my friday so yay.

i couldn't fall asleep til after midnight last night even tho our plane landed early by 25min 

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8 minutes ago, leggo PE said:

Today is my Thursday...

but your friday is gonna be good! untz untz untz

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Let's see... just enrolled in a 90 minute course, and there's 90 minutes left in the work day? Better get to it!

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(It's stupid my FL one wouldn't transfer to TN after I moved. The states have reciprocity, so I could carry if I was visiting, but couldn't carry after I moved! Ridiculous.)

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Course complete.

Also, the friend that is visiting brought me this...

 

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To this day, the best reggae came from Canada.

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& Martha Stewart did more Jail Time than Snoop Dog

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