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On 5/29/2017 at 0:11 AM, KatyLied P.E. said:

I will add two other bits of advice. Get a copy of the Spinup sample test book. The problems drive home basic concepts and the introduction has an excellent approach to taking the test. Also, the NEC portion can be challenging but if studied and approached properly is something you can get almost 100% correct. Complex Imaginary publishes a NEC drill book that is excellent. If you just work a third of the problems I think you'll be in good shape. It teaches you how to approach the problems so that you can find the answers quickly in your NEC book.

 

 

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On 5/26/2017 at 8:34 PM, KatyLied P.E. said:

Good advice from the earlier posts. Three things that I will reemphasize are

 

Try a review class,

 

Prepare a very thorough note sheet. Take your time on this. It took me 2-3 weeks. Helps to drive home the concepts.

 

Organize your notes. Cross reference your information with sample test problems. Sometimes the key thing is being able to find stuff quickly.

 

 

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The look up problems were nice and easy to find but I didn't solve the NEC drill book problems i will be cranking those out for sure since i came across some problems that i had never seen before on the test. What review class would you recommend? I have my notes organized and tabbed each topic area. Formulas, concepts are highlighted and i know where to find them. I just need to get the spin ups and get the basic concepts down. i was soo worried about this exam being soo hard and i might have missed out on the basics that i was supposed to know. 

The look up problems were nice and easy to find but I didn't solve the NEC drill book problems i will be cranking those out for sure since i came across some problems that i had never seen before on the test. What review class would you recommend? I have my notes organized and tabbed each topic area. Formulas, concepts are highlighted and i know where to find them. I just need to get the spin ups and get the basic concepts down. i was soo worried about this exam being soo hard and i might have missed out on the basics that i was supposed to know. 

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On 5/26/2017 at 5:43 PM, stevetom84 said:

This was my 2nd time taking the exam and luckily, this time I passed. The first time around (last October), I took the School of PE course and failed with a score of 45/80. This time around I retook the School of PE course, using the free repeat, and used the diagnostics from the previous exam to study harder on the areas I did poor on. Overall, I think the School of PE course is worthwhile. They provide a ton of notes and example problems, and these were one of primary resources I used in the exam. I also created sheets that organized all example/practice tests problems, so I could easily find similar problems to what is being asked in the exam. In addition to the School of PE material and problem sheets I created, I took the NEC handbook, NESC, ANSI device number wikipedia page, complex imaginary practice tests, NCEES practice test, and Power Reference Manual.

Looking at your diagnostics, I would suggest taking a review course of some sort and try not to get discouraged. 

 Absolutely will look into SOPE everyone i asked about the PPI course said the instructor read word for word from the slides so i thought i'd just get the materials and self study instead. Is SOPE more structured and do they actually teach rather than read slides to you? 

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1 hour ago, HotFudge said:

 Absolutely will look into SOPE everyone i asked about the PPI course said the instructor read word for word from the slides so i thought i'd just get the materials and self study instead. Is SOPE more structured and do they actually teach rather than read slides to you? 

I took SOPE last fall as well as this spring. Depends ont he instructor. last fall all the topics were covered by Dr. Nieves and I and others complained a lot about his method and SOPE got us new instructors, one new instructor per topic. Two were great, the other two were doing the whole reading slide thing but I benefited a lot from the other two. No doubt. highly recommend. 
 

The most important part is tabbing all the notes, i used those notes the most this time around but didnt do so last fall. I tabbed it so much and used it a lot during my practice tests. (HIGHLY RECOMMEND Complex IMaginary practice tests and code drill book)

HOpe that helps. Keep it up. Practice lots. youll get it. 

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I really liked the GA Tech review course. The videos are a few years old but I still found them useful. The instructor checks his email and will respond to questions within 24 hours. G Tech and SOPE seem to get the best reviews on this forum. I've stated this in many posts before but if there is something you can't just understand Google or look on YouTube. I attempted the test twice in the late '90's and did not pass. When I finally passed it in April '14 the biggest difference was the Internet and taking a review course.

 

 

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G Tech also does a good job of teaching the basics and he reviews a significant number of NCEES sample test problems.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Owism said:

I took SOPE last fall as well as this spring. Depends ont he instructor. last fall all the topics were covered by Dr. Nieves and I and others complained a lot about his method and SOPE got us new instructors, one new instructor per topic. Two were great, the other two were doing the whole reading slide thing but I benefited a lot from the other two. No doubt. highly recommend. 
 

The most important part is tabbing all the notes, i used those notes the most this time around but didnt do so last fall. I tabbed it so much and used it a lot during my practice tests. (HIGHLY RECOMMEND Complex IMaginary practice tests and code drill book)

HOpe that helps. Keep it up. Practice lots. youll get it. 

So my questions for you now is that how many hours on avg / day did you study the second go around? Did you start afresh or only focused on areas you struggled with?

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1 hour ago, KatyLied P.E. said:

I really liked the GA Tech review course. The videos are a few years old but I still found them useful. The instructor checks his email and will respond to questions within 24 hours. G Tech and SOPE seem to get the best reviews on this forum. I've stated this in many posts before but if there is something you can't just understand Google or look on YouTube. I attempted the test twice in the late '90's and did not pass. When I finally passed it in April '14 the biggest difference was the Internet and taking a review course.

 

 

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1 hour ago, knight1fox3 said:

:plusone: for GA Tech power PE review course.

 

I need some sort of review course to help out for sure I will have to pick from SOPE / GA Tech...hopefully more people that passed can weigh in on what courses they would best recommend.

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Just now, HotFudge said:

I need some sort of review course to help out for sure I will have to pick from SOPE / GA Tech...hopefully more people that passed can weigh in on what courses they would best recommend.

In addition, if you do a quick search in this sub-forum for either course, you should be able to find a number of previous threads that provide some decent reviews on these courses.

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IMHO, assuming you have heard of it, I would not use the MGI prep course. There is a reason it is half the cost of courses like GA Tech. The problems are not similar to actual test problems. Supposedly it is endorsed by NSPE. Which amazes me.

 

 

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I know this because I bought it because it was cheap. I was fortunate that my company footed the cost for the GA Tech course.

 

 

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Never heard of MGI before...i guess there's a reason for that. Luckily my company is willing to pay for the costs for a review course...i have seen positive reviews about GA tech and SOPE so far. I will be signing up for one shortly.

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On 5/28/2017 at 11:17 PM, knight1fox3 said:

TX is the only state that shows score. And trust me, at this point, you're better off not knowing. Keep at it.

Thanks:D

 

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13 hours ago, HotFudge said:

So my questions for you now is that how many hours on avg / day did you study the second go around? Did you start afresh or only focused on areas you struggled with?

well the second time around I used CI as my guide to studying things I didnt know. Just went through it, 4 hours a day, 5 days a week. If i came across something I got wrong, I looked it up and fully understood it. Printed out anything I found online that helped me understand it, watched youtube videos explaining it.  I also signed up for the On demand School of PE course so I could watch recordings from last season and had access to the workshop problems, so I could go through them before the live classes started then I asked any questions during hte live classes. SOPE also allows you to email the instructor if you have a question outside the live classes.

The first time around i fully relied on the course to guide me through problems, I like the course workshop problems, but more problems the better and CI did it for me. I think I will sell it if anyone wants to PM me for it and other items I have. I'll do an advert as well i guess.

Also make sure you sit down one week before the exam for 8 full hours and take atleast one full practice exam, I tried to do two 8 hour exams in a row but i crashed so I stopped, but it really gets you in the zone on using your reference material and fixing anything you didnt tab properly before the exam

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Never heard of MGI before...i guess there's a reason for that. Luckily my company is willing to pay for the costs for a review course...i have seen positive reviews about GA tech and SOPE so far. I will be signing up for one shortly.

GT has better notes unless SOPE really had an overhaul in the past few years. Less errors in the notes as well from what I remember.

If you get GT, use the binder as a template to build your own resources. Fill in the 'holes' with additional materials to supplement the material. Then of course, study your ass off.

 

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25 minutes ago, Stephen2awesome said:

I cannot afford $1200 review course. What would be my options?

Does your employer offer any sort of reimbursement incentive towards a review course?

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23 minutes ago, knight1fox3 said:

Does your employer offer any sort of reimbursement incentive towards a review course?

Unfortunately no. It sucks.

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7 hours ago, Owism said:

well the second time around I used CI as my guide to studying things I didnt know. Just went through it, 4 hours a day, 5 days a week. If i came across something I got wrong, I looked it up and fully understood it. Printed out anything I found online that helped me understand it, watched youtube videos explaining it.  I also signed up for the On demand School of PE course so I could watch recordings from last season and had access to the workshop problems, so I could go through them before the live classes started then I asked any questions during hte live classes. SOPE also allows you to email the instructor if you have a question outside the live classes.

The first time around i fully relied on the course to guide me through problems, I like the course workshop problems, but more problems the better and CI did it for me. I think I will sell it if anyone wants to PM me for it and other items I have. I'll do an advert as well i guess.

Also make sure you sit down one week before the exam for 8 full hours and take atleast one full practice exam, I tried to do two 8 hour exams in a row but i crashed so I stopped, but it really gets you in the zone on using your reference material and fixing anything you didnt tab properly before the exam

I have the CI problems and i averaged about 80% on those practice exams i liked them and they were kind of on par with the difficulty of the test...again i will make sure i fully understand how a problem is solved and gather tons of information on a problem area where i encounter issues.  Two full 8 hour exams in a row?!? That's Wild!

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8 hours ago, Ken PE 3.1 said:

GT has better notes unless SOPE really had an overhaul in the past few years. Less errors in the notes as well from what I remember.

If you get GT, use the binder as a template to build your own resources. Fill in the 'holes' with additional materials to supplement the material. Then of course, study your ass off.

 

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Does GT give you the option of contacting the instructors or do you just have to watch the videos and just learn on your own??

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Just now, HotFudge said:

Does GT give you the option of contacting the instructors or do you just have to watch the videos and just learn on your own??

The videos are pre-recorded, but you can email the prof and he generally replies rather quickly. 

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On 5/30/2017 at 5:09 PM, HotFudge said:

I need some sort of review course to help out for sure I will have to pick from SOPE / GA Tech...hopefully more people that passed can weigh in on what courses they would best recommend.

I used one of the vendors here, @Electrical PE Review, for my review course. The videos are prerecorded and the written material is concise. His website is laid out very well and each module concludes with a quiz to test comprehension and retention. The instructor (Zach Stone) was very responsive via email (responses to emailed questions generally received within 24 hours).

Zach doesn't simply read slides and monotonously recite material into the camera - you get a sense that he enjoys passing along the information and takes a real interest in your success. Much like the intro of Spin-Up, Zach's introduction was encouraging and helped put things in perspective.

Some of his later videos even show his calculator in the lower-left screen, from which I learned a lot of shortcuts (TI 36X Pro).

Overall, I would say that his course can prepare you if you go through the whole thing and supplement it with other references (PPI, CI, Spin-Up, etc). Don't worry about asking questions and pointing out anything that you don't think looks right - he's always gracious and appreciative if you do uncover an Easter egg.

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19 hours ago, Ken PE 3.1 said:

The videos are pre-recorded, but you can email the prof and he generally replies rather quickly. 

Good to know! Thanks...i recently recieved the SOPE binder from a collegue so i will look into it and see what they cover. Leaning towards GT now...should i ditch the test masters and PPI material I think i will i have too much material learning the same thing different ways.

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16 hours ago, BigWheel said:

I used one of the vendors here, @Electrical PE Review, for my review course. The videos are prerecorded and the written material is concise. His website is laid out very well and each module concludes with a quiz to test comprehension and retention. The instructor (Zach Stone) was very responsive via email (responses to emailed questions generally received within 24 hours).

I second his course. I found it early enough to not have to pay for it (it was free until earlier this year), but his explanations were great and notes were very detailed. Given the depth of information, I would say it's worth the price.

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8 minutes ago, ysj88 said:

I second his course. I found it early enough to not have to pay for it (it was free until earlier this year), but his explanations were great and notes were very detailed. Given the depth of information, I would say it's worth the price.

 

16 hours ago, BigWheel said:

I used one of the vendors here, @Electrical PE Review, for my review course. The videos are prerecorded and the written material is concise. His website is laid out very well and each module concludes with a quiz to test comprehension and retention. The instructor (Zach Stone) was very responsive via email (responses to emailed questions generally received within 24 hours).

Zach doesn't simply read slides and monotonously recite material into the camera - you get a sense that he enjoys passing along the information and takes a real interest in your success. Much like the intro of Spin-Up, Zach's introduction was encouraging and helped put things in perspective.

Some of his later videos even show his calculator in the lower-left screen, from which I learned a lot of shortcuts (TI 36X Pro).

Overall, I would say that his course can prepare you if you go through the whole thing and supplement it with other references (PPI, CI, Spin-Up, etc). Don't worry about asking questions and pointing out anything that you don't think looks right - he's always gracious and appreciative if you do uncover an Easter egg.

Thanks for your feedback. I will be examining my options and i hope the one i pick is best suited for me to learn and prepare for this October.

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