Application Question for CA Appilication regarding references

nightwing said:

First time on the forum, it was recommended.

For the Civil PE Exam I know one reference of the four references needs to be one of your licensed supervisor for each engagement. If I have one engagement and need two years qualifying experience of work based on the flowchart and my current licensed supervisor has reviewed my work and supervised for the last 19 months, would he count as the supervising reference and this be sufficient for the supervisor part? Then my other three references could be my colleagues and peers who are licensed have reviewed my work for the last three years. Would this qualify me?

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nightwing said:

First time on the forum, it was recommended.

For the Civil PE Exam I know one reference of the four references needs to be one of your licensed supervisor for each engagement. If I have one engagement and need two years qualifying experience of work based on the flowchart and my current licensed supervisor has reviewed my work and supervised for the last 19 months, would he count as the supervising reference and this be sufficient for the supervisor part? Then my other three references could be my colleagues and peers who are licensed have reviewed my work for the last three years. Would this qualify me?

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ptatohed said:

nightwing said:

First time on the forum, it was recommended.

For the Civil PE Exam I know one reference of the four references needs to be one of your licensed supervisor for each engagement. If I have one engagement and need two years qualifying experience of work based on the flowchart and my current licensed supervisor has reviewed my work and supervised for the last 19 months, would he count as the supervising reference and this be sufficient for the supervisor part? Then my other three references could be my colleagues and peers who are licensed have reviewed my work for the last three years. Would this qualify me?

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Here's what happened to me. I used as one of my references a "co-worker of equal level" (or however the board terms it) and they gave me credit as him being one of my 4 needed references but none of the time under this reference counted toward my required time. Only time under a supervisor counts as experience time. Does that make sense? But check with your evaluator to be sure.

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nightwing said:

Thanks. When did you apply? Do all the evaluators have the same criterial?

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rejectedbytexas said:

nightwing said:

Thanks. When did you apply? Do all the evaluators have the same criterial?

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Although he is a great helper here, how is Mr. Ptatohed supposed to know this?

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nightwing said:

ptatohed said:

nightwing said:

First time on the forum, it was recommended.

For the Civil PE Exam I know one reference of the four references needs to be one of your licensed supervisor for each engagement. If I have one engagement and need two years qualifying experience of work based on the flowchart and my current licensed supervisor has reviewed my work and supervised for the last 19 months, would he count as the supervising reference and this be sufficient for the supervisor part? Then my other three references could be my colleagues and peers who are licensed have reviewed my work for the last three years. Would this qualify me?

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Here's what happened to me. I used as one of my references a "co-worker of equal level" (or however the board terms it) and they gave me credit as him being one of my 4 needed references but none of the time under this reference counted toward my required time. Only time under a supervisor counts as experience time. Does that make sense? But check with your evaluator to be sure.

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Thanks. When did you apply? Do all the evaluators have the same criterial?

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ptatohed said:

nightwing said:

ptatohed said:

nightwing said:

First time on the forum, it was recommended.For the Civil PE Exam I know one reference of the four references needs to be one of your licensed supervisor for each engagement. If I have one engagement and need two years qualifying experience of work based on the flowchart and my current licensed supervisor has reviewed my work and supervised for the last 19 months, would he count as the supervising reference and this be sufficient for the supervisor part? Then my other three references could be my colleagues and peers who are licensed have reviewed my work for the last three years. Would this qualify me?

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Here's what happened to me. I used as one of my references a "co-worker of equal level" (or however the board terms it) and they gave me credit as him being one of my 4 needed references but none of the time under this reference counted toward my required time. Only time under a supervisor counts as experience time. Does that make sense? But check with your evaluator to be sure.

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Thanks. When did you apply? Do all the evaluators have the same criterial?

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My app was around 2009/2010. I'd recommend you contact your evaluator.

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CAPLS said:

ALL claimed work experience needs to have been performed under the direction of an individual licensed in the practice that you are applying for. If ALL your claimed experience can be claimed under 1 or 2 of your engagement forms, then the other 2 or 3 engagement/reference forms can be completed by other licensees that are familiar with your experience but do not necessarily have to have been in responsible charge of the claimed experience.

For example, if you worked for one firm your entire experience and there are multiple licensees at the firm, you could have the licensee in responsible charge complete engagement 1, copy this engagement as engagement 2, 3, and 4, each with different licensed coworkers signing. Or you can split the time. Either way, make sure you communicate it very clearly in the engagements.

Hope this helps clear it up for you

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CAPLS said:

ALL claimed work experience needs to have been performed under the direction of an individual licensed in the practice that you are applying for. If ALL your claimed experience can be claimed under 1 or 2 of your engagement forms, then the other 2 or 3 engagement/reference forms can be completed by other licensees that are familiar with your experience but do not necessarily have to have been in responsible charge of the claimed experience.

For example, if you worked for one firm your entire experience and there are multiple licensees at the firm, you could have the licensee in responsible charge complete engagement 1, copy this engagement as engagement 2, 3, and 4, each with different licensed coworkers signing. Or you can split the time. Either way, make sure you communicate it very clearly in the engagements.

Hope this helps clear it up for you

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ptatohed said:

CAPLS said:

ALL claimed work experience needs to have been performed under the direction of an individual licensed in the practice that you are applying for. If ALL your claimed experience can be claimed under 1 or 2 of your engagement forms, then the other 2 or 3 engagement/reference forms can be completed by other licensees that are familiar with your experience but do not necessarily have to have been in responsible charge of the claimed experience.

For example, if you worked for one firm your entire experience and there are multiple licensees at the firm, you could have the licensee in responsible charge complete engagement 1, copy this engagement as engagement 2, 3, and 4, each with different licensed coworkers signing. Or you can split the time. Either way, make sure you communicate it very clearly in the engagements.

Hope this helps clear it up for you

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Ric, I was with you on paragraph 1 and then you lost me with paragraph 2. That is not how I remembered it at all. I remember the instructions being very specific on what one engagement is. So, I looked it up. This is what the application says:

List your engagements below in reverse chronological order beginning at graduation. Leave no gaps in the list. If you were not employed in the engineering field, you must still list the dates and explain in the Remarks section. Your present engagement is No. 1. An engagement is one association, with one employer, in one capacity, at one level of responsibility. A change in engagement is a new employer, a promotion, or a significant change in duties, authority, responsibility, etc. Different projects in the same capacity for one employer are not considered separate engagements. Explain any overlaps in employment dates.

The way I read it, a copy and paste of engagement #1 won't do for #s 2 - 4. Each engagement must be uniquely different. Am I reading it incorrectly?

http://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/pubs/forms/ceapp.pdf

http://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/applicants/civilpe_errf_instructions_2010.pdf

http://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/applicants/faq_eng.pdf

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nightwing said:

ptatohed said:

CAPLS said:

ALL claimed work experience needs to have been performed under the direction of an individual licensed in the practice that you are applying for. If ALL your claimed experience can be claimed under 1 or 2 of your engagement forms, then the other 2 or 3 engagement/reference forms can be completed by other licensees that are familiar with your experience but do not necessarily have to have been in responsible charge of the claimed experience.

For example, if you worked for one firm your entire experience and there are multiple licensees at the firm, you could have the licensee in responsible charge complete engagement 1, copy this engagement as engagement 2, 3, and 4, each with different licensed coworkers signing. Or you can split the time. Either way, make sure you communicate it very clearly in the engagements.

Hope this helps clear it up for you

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Ric, I was with you on paragraph 1 and then you lost me with paragraph 2. That is not how I remembered it at all. I remember the instructions being very specific on what one engagement is. So, I looked it up. This is what the application says:

List your engagements below in reverse chronological order beginning at graduation. Leave no gaps in the list. If you were not employed in the engineering field, you must still list the dates and explain in the Remarks section. Your present engagement is No. 1. An engagement is one association, with one employer, in one capacity, at one level of responsibility. A change in engagement is a new employer, a promotion, or a significant change in duties, authority, responsibility, etc. Different projects in the same capacity for one employer are not considered separate engagements. Explain any overlaps in employment dates.

The way I read it, a copy and paste of engagement #1 won't do for #s 2 - 4. Each engagement must be uniquely different. Am I reading it incorrectly?

http://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/pubs/forms/ceapp.pdf

http://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/applicants/civilpe_errf_instructions_2010.pdf

http://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/applicants/faq_eng.pdf

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I could not find anything that clearly states a supervisor has to review and verify the entire engagement for it to count.

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ptatohed said:

nightwing said:

ptatohed said:

CAPLS said:

ALL claimed work experience needs to have been performed under the direction of an individual licensed in the practice that you are applying for. If ALL your claimed experience can be claimed under 1 or 2 of your engagement forms, then the other 2 or 3 engagement/reference forms can be completed by other licensees that are familiar with your experience but do not necessarily have to have been in responsible charge of the claimed experience.

For example, if you worked for one firm your entire experience and there are multiple licensees at the firm, you could have the licensee in responsible charge complete engagement 1, copy this engagement as engagement 2, 3, and 4, each with different licensed coworkers signing. Or you can split the time. Either way, make sure you communicate it very clearly in the engagements.

Hope this helps clear it up for you

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Ric, I was with you on paragraph 1 and then you lost me with paragraph 2. That is not how I remembered it at all. I remember the instructions being very specific on what one engagement is. So, I looked it up. This is what the application says:

List your engagements below in reverse chronological order beginning at graduation. Leave no gaps in the list. If you were not employed in the engineering field, you must still list the dates and explain in the Remarks section. Your present engagement is No. 1. An engagement is one association, with one employer, in one capacity, at one level of responsibility. A change in engagement is a new employer, a promotion, or a significant change in duties, authority, responsibility, etc. Different projects in the same capacity for one employer are not considered separate engagements. Explain any overlaps in employment dates.

The way I read it, a copy and paste of engagement #1 won't do for #s 2 - 4. Each engagement must be uniquely different. Am I reading it incorrectly?

http://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/pubs/forms/ceapp.pdf

http://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/applicants/civilpe_errf_instructions_2010.pdf

http://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/applicants/faq_eng.pdf

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I could not find anything that clearly states a supervisor has to review and verify the entire engagement for it to count.

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It has been said in this thread by me and by CAPLS that it does not. And it is clearly in the second link I provided above.

References can come from any of the listed below, but are generally considered in the following descending order of significance:

1) Immediate supervisor;

2) Indirect supervisor;

3) Co-worker at equal or higher level; and,

4) Other qualified person.

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ptatohed said:

nightwing said:

First time on the forum, it was recommended.

For the Civil PE Exam I know one reference of the four references needs to be one of your licensed supervisor for each engagement. If I have one engagement and need two years qualifying experience of work based on the flowchart and my current licensed supervisor has reviewed my work and supervised for the last 19 months, would he count as the supervising reference and this be sufficient for the supervisor part? Then my other three references could be my colleagues and peers who are licensed have reviewed my work for the last three years. Would this qualify me?

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Here's what happened to me. I used as one of my references a "co-worker of equal level" (or however the board terms it) and they gave me credit as him being one of my 4 needed references but none of the time under this reference counted toward my required time. Only time under a supervisor counts as experience time. Does that make sense? But check with your evaluator to be sure.

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nightwing said:

ptatohed said:

nightwing said:

ptatohed said:

CAPLS said:

ALL claimed work experience needs to have been performed under the direction of an individual licensed in the practice that you are applying for. If ALL your claimed experience can be claimed under 1 or 2 of your engagement forms, then the other 2 or 3 engagement/reference forms can be completed by other licensees that are familiar with your experience but do not necessarily have to have been in responsible charge of the claimed experience.

For example, if you worked for one firm your entire experience and there are multiple licensees at the firm, you could have the licensee in responsible charge complete engagement 1, copy this engagement as engagement 2, 3, and 4, each with different licensed coworkers signing. Or you can split the time. Either way, make sure you communicate it very clearly in the engagements.

Hope this helps clear it up for you

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Ric, I was with you on paragraph 1 and then you lost me with paragraph 2. That is not how I remembered it at all. I remember the instructions being very specific on what one engagement is. So, I looked it up. This is what the application says:

List your engagements below in reverse chronological order beginning at graduation. Leave no gaps in the list. If you were not employed in the engineering field, you must still list the dates and explain in the Remarks section. Your present engagement is No. 1. An engagement is one association, with one employer, in one capacity, at one level of responsibility. A change in engagement is a new employer, a promotion, or a significant change in duties, authority, responsibility, etc. Different projects in the same capacity for one employer are not considered separate engagements. Explain any overlaps in employment dates.

The way I read it, a copy and paste of engagement #1 won't do for #s 2 - 4. Each engagement must be uniquely different. Am I reading it incorrectly?

http://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/pubs/forms/ceapp.pdf

http://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/applicants/civilpe_errf_instructions_2010.pdf

http://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/applicants/faq_eng.pdf

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I could not find anything that clearly states a supervisor has to review and verify the entire engagement for it to count.

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It has been said in this thread by me and by CAPLS that it does not. And it is clearly in the second link I provided above.

References can come from any of the listed below, but are generally considered in the following descending order of significance:

1) Immediate supervisor;

2) Indirect supervisor;

3) Co-worker at equal or higher level; and,

4) Other qualified person.

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So can you please help clariy this

"[SIZE=11pt]All civil engineering work experience must be gained while working under the direction of a licensed Civil Engineer."[/SIZE]

"[SIZE=11pt]For civil engineering work experience which was gained in California or any other place where such work is required to be under the jurisdiction of a licensed civil engineer, at least one of the applicants licensed references must be from someone who is or was in a supervisory capacity over the applicant, for each engagement for which the applicant desires credit. An engagement not verified by a licensed civil engineer supervisor will be considered as either non-civil engineering experience, or illegal civil engineering experience, and in either case it will not be acceptable."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]So based on my understanding:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]An application needs to have a supervisor or someone in supervisor capacity verifying each engagment. That supervisor does not need to verify the whole enaggement just part of it. Do you think that is correct?[/SIZE]

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