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I'm betting he waits to see how well the TV ending is received before he decides what he wants to do with the book.  He has zero incentive to hurry up and finish.

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5 hours ago, humner said:

The Hound and the Mountain duke it out, the Hound discovers he can generate a flame blade.  The Mountain freaks out.

So what, now they're just going to start "borrowing" the plot from Frankenstein?

 

3 hours ago, Road Guy said:

Hopefully George will get off his ass and finish the books.  I would defin read the last one if it ever comes out. supposedly he has rewritten it at least once?

No that he probably cares at this point, but I wonder if George has shot himself in the foot a bit by taking so long?  With HBO finishing the show before the books are done, I wonder if a lot of people won't bother getting the books if/when they come out because they already have an ending to the story?  Sure there are plenty who would buy more books, but most people today are too lazy for that if they can watch a TV show instead.

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while their arms were entwined, why didn't Missandei hang onto Cercei and jump off of the wall?

 

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23 hours ago, Road Guy said:

There some leaked script bullets points out and if that’s the way the show ends then I think lots of people gonna be upset with this show...

That was a guarantee regardless of how the show ends.

22 hours ago, Road Guy said:

Hopefully George will get off his ass and finish the books.  I would defin read the last one if it ever comes out. supposedly he has rewritten it at least once?

IIRC, he is constantly rewriting chapters, on his typewritier or other arcane word processor. He's pretty meticulous.

I sort of think that he's written himself into a corner with some of the plot twists in the books, and it's pretty difficult to get out of it credably. The show covers maybe a third of those plot points, and it's had to cut corners and rely on near dues-ex-machina to get out of those traps. 

18 hours ago, humner said:

while their arms were entwined, why didn't Missandei hang onto Cercei and jump off of the wall?

For the same reason that Dany didn't see the attack fleet at dragonstone, or attack it from behin, or Cersei didn't open fire on Dany and the negotiating party: the plot demanded it.

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19 hours ago, jeb6294 said:

With HBO finishing the show before the books are done, I wonder if a lot of people won't bother getting the books if/when they come out because they already have an ending to the story? 

If I recall, in the book version, there is another person claiming to be Aegon Targaryen, which if Martin fleshes out as true, could totally reshape how the ending needs to go.  E.g., he would have a better claim to the throne than Dany, etc.  If Martin just wasted a bunch of time on it as a red herring, well then, meh.

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man I looked at the first GOT book on tape, 33 hours!  But may get Winds of Winter if it ever comes out - I would think this would be a big selling point, look how shitty HBO did with the ending, read what it was supposed to be...

 

Also I read a pretty interesting article on Vanity Fair last night (i know)  but it basically showed the parallel between GOT  the LOTR - but it made the case that Jon is Frodo - the unlikely hero who will retreat to the "shire" after he is done - aka Jon wont be King...But it didn't make a clear distinction of who is Aragorn in GOT.

 

Also saw some junk circulating that Drogon had babies and they are going to show up in EP 5 - Apparently the intro theme was changed and it shows a large dragon with three babies fighting- Remember season 4 when Dorgon went missing and was eating all the farmers sheeps and shit?

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1 hour ago, Supe said:

If I recall, in the book version, there is another person claiming to be Aegon Targaryen, which if Martin fleshes out as true, could totally reshape how the ending needs to go.  E.g., he would have a better claim to the throne than Dany, etc.  If Martin just wasted a bunch of time on it as a red herring, well then, meh.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that noise. I think people were speculating that he was a targaryen offshoot cousin. idk.

9 minutes ago, Road Guy said:

man I looked at the first GOT book on tape, 33 hours!  But may get Winds of Winter if it ever comes out - I would think this would be a big selling point, look how shitty HBO did with the ending, read what it was supposed to be...

Also saw some junk circulating that Drogon had babies and they are going to show up in EP 5 - Apparently the intro theme was changed and it shows a large dragon with three babies fighting- Remember season 4 when Dorgon went missing and was eating all the farmers sheeps and shit?

The books and show have deviated so much: merged story arc and characters, new stroylines, dropped storylines, some deaths happened in the show but not the books and vice-versa. I doubt someone could just jump into the last book after only watching the show. It's would be an incomprehensible mess.

I saw that theory too about more dragons showing up. That's too big an arse-pull for me. If that happened and it weren't the penultimate episode then I'd just stop watching the show.

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I read the first two books but just ran out of energy to keep track of everything in the books its too much work ;)

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On 5/9/2019 at 10:38 AM, Road Guy said:

 

Also saw some junk circulating that Drogon had babies and they are going to show up in EP 5 - Apparently the intro theme was changed and it shows a large dragon with three babies fighting- Remember season 4 when Dorgon went missing and was eating all the farmers sheeps and shit?

I heard the same thing. It was referring to this ...

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There is some speculation that Tyrion is a Targaryen (The Mad King raped his mother) by the following:

  1. Tywin stated that Tyrion is son and until he can prove otherwise.
  2. The dragons did not roast Tyrion alive when he unchained them in Mereen.
  3. Tyrion stated that he wanted a dragon as child, even a small one.
  4. There is one more surprise relevation that is supposed to occur.

It would be interesting to see Tyrion riding a little dragon, but I doubt it with only two episodes left.

Also, would it be politically correct to have Tyrion riding a little dragon?

 

 

 

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I think they dropped the Tyrion is a Targaryen plot from the show. GRRM really beats you over the head with the evidence in the latter books, but I guess it just wasn't important in the plot of the show.

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whoa. I'm going to need a nights sleep to process all of that

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W.T. actual F.?!?!

Cersei was a bit anti-climatic, but other than that, the wife and I put that one right up there with The Red Wedding. 

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So much for all the theories.  Agreed that Cersei's demise was anti-climatic.  I was glad to see Cleagane happen.  

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I think they were better off with Joffrey as King

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I think the Cersei move was pretty deliberate by the writers - piss the fans off by effectively giving none of the Starks their redeeming moment by killing her.

I am NOT surprised by Jamie legitimately going back to Cersei - everyone seemed to think he was going to "get her" after his fling with Brienne, but like, dude, he's been in love with his SISTER for the better part of 40 years and had three kids with her...

Seeing Hafthor Bjornssen (the Mountain) bald, beardless, and looking like a fat baby was pretty entertaining.   I did like how they made him "still human" in his hatred for his brother.  He may have been tackled, but lets be honest, he won that fight.

So here's where I am so far:

✓ 1) Dany is going to catch wind of Varys' betrayal, execute Varys, and this turns Tyrion in Jon's favor

✓ 2) Dany is going to come in, burninate all the people and their thatched roof cottages,  ? Jon confronts her with the truth over the fact that she's no better than the rest, is only about the power not the people, etc., and ends up killing Dany. 

X 3) Arya kills Cersei while Cleganebowl happens in the background.

✓ 4) Euron is still lingering about, so he and Jamie duke it out, with Jamie dying while "redeeming" himself.

? 5) Sansa takes Iron Throne because Jon doesn't want it.

 

My real burning questions at this point:

How will Dany die?  Will it be Arya, or Jon?  Maybe some sort of double-up where Arya has to kill Grey Worm or something so Jon can kill Dany?  Maybe Tyrion does it?

What's the deal with Sansa at this point?  I feel like she can't just chill out at Winterfell and not be integral to the ending.

 

 

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34 minutes ago, Supe said:

 

My real burning questions at this point:

How will Dany die?  Will it be Arya, or Jon?  Maybe some sort of double-up where Arya has to kill Grey Worm or something so Jon can kill Dany?  Maybe Tyrion does it?

 What's the deal with Sansa at this point?  I feel like she can't just chill out at Winterfell and not be integral to the ending.

I thought Tyrion was going to take out Cersei.  Got that wrong.  I think Arya takes out Dany.  Not sure who will be King/Queen if anyone is. 

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Oh, the other burning question - what did Tyrion have Davos do?

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Man that was an episode. I was not satisfied with Cersei's death. I wanted someone to kill her, not rubble.

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11 minutes ago, Supe said:

Oh, the other burning question - what did Tyrion have Davos do?

I assumed he was the one that knew about the passage from the beach to the Red Keep and left the small boat for Jaimie and Cersei. 

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6 hours ago, Road Guy said:

I think they were better off with Joffrey as King

I think they were better off with the Night King as King.

I did like to see that Qyburn get we he had coming to him.  

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1 hour ago, Bot-Man said:

I assumed he was the one that knew about the passage from the beach to the Red Keep and left the small boat for Jaimie and Cersei. 

Ah, could be.  Hadn't made the connection if that was the case.  

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1 hour ago, Supe said:

How will Dany die?  Will it be Arya, or Jon?  Maybe some sort of double-up where Arya has to kill Grey Worm or something so Jon can kill Dany?  Maybe Tyrion does it?

From the tone of the show and the brief preview at the end, it seems like Dany would have secured a spot towards the top of Arya's list...watching the mom and little girl get roasted...so, ideally Arya will do it.  Then again, the final scene of her on the horse could be her saying F- this, I'm going back to Winterfell.  That'd be a real pisser, but since when have they been afraid to piss fans off?

 

1 hour ago, Supe said:

Oh, the other burning question - what did Tyrion have Davos do?

I'm pretty sure it was just getting Jamie out and back into King's Landing and having the boat waiting for he and Cersei.

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Looks like someone is trying to take credit for the leaked script that was posted almost word for word on Reddit 2 weeks ago ;)

 

& I believe the Hound scored a kill shot to the chest, it just the Mountain was no longer alive, so you cant really kill what's already dead.

Hopefully well see Bran in action in  the last episode, not really sure how you get Danny off the dragon..

 

But all in all I liked the episode,  I wonder if part of what drove her "mad" is that Tyrion was right and the people surrendered, basically meant she was wrong..

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