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4 hours ago, jeb6294 said:

Dany is too stupid to be Queen of the 7 Kingdoms..."we're surrounded by the walking dead, but I'm just going to sit here on my dragon for a few minutes and pose".

This also contributes to the answer to #4 they sort of gave in the post show.  Dany and Jon were supposed to wait for the Night King to show up and go after him, but she acted like a sissy girl when she saw the Dothraki getting their asses handed to them, took off prematurely, and blew the whole plan out of the water.

Dany and Jon both let emotion get in the way (Jon with Rickon at the BOTB and Dany watching the Dothraki get slaughtered at the BOW) and they are lucky they survived. 

2 hours ago, Supe said:

Not sure how many are with Yara.  Didn't Dany also leave behind some unsullied in Mereen to keep things in check?  

Bronn is a pretty big wildcard.  I think he may try to kill Jaimee/Tyrion if he thinks they don't have a chance in hell of beating Cersei/Golden Army.

Nymeria's Wolfpack and the Tully Army have not yet made an appearance, but the Riverlands are on the way King's Landing (the actor that plays Edmure Tully was supposedly contracted to to appear again this season).  Remember the Tully Army just gave up without a fight at Riverrun, so they are somewhere in the Riverlands.  The Tully Army, what is left of the Northern Forces, two dragons, and a Giant WolfPack could make a formidable army against the what is left of the Lannister forces and the Golden Company.  

I also do not think Bronn will betray Tyrion and Jamie, but GRRM did state that the story will have a bittersweet ending and Ramsay said "If you think this is going to have a happy ending, then you have not been paying attention."

 

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10 minutes ago, Road Guy said:

I read today something that said the NK wanted Bran dead because he is the secret to the past, evidence of mankind, and that once he gets rid of Bran and then kills off all of the living then there is no proof that mankind ever existed.


And then I also read that the NK and the 3 eyed raven are some of the oldest beings and that they have been feuding for millions of years, so maybe it as just a personal vendetta? Because apparently the 3 eyed raven killed off the previous leaders of the Long Night..

The story as I remember it was that as men were infiltrating the north hundreds of years ago they were killing the "children of the north" who in turn created NK as a weapon to defend themselves. NK was tasked with eliminating the threat of mankind, but he was defeated (not killed) and the wall went up there was a bit of a balance. Men in the south, children in the north and NK went into hibernation (like Sauron from LotR, or Voldemort in Harry Potter: not dead but not really around either). Everyone knows they existed and were defeated a long time ago, but it's been so long that most of it has been lost to legend/myth. Now that the NK has awoken from his centuries-long nap, the children know that he is too powerful for anyone to stop which is why they help Bran.  Bran becomes the 3-eyed raven and the keeper of world history (including mankind), so the NK wants to destroy him to fully take over the world.

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I feel there are 8 episodes or so I am going to have to go back and re- watch - is that the one where bran is at the tree (right before Benje rescue him?)

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21 minutes ago, Road Guy said:

I feel there are 8 episodes or so I am going to have to go back and re- watch - is that the one where bran is at the tree (right before Benje rescue him?)

It's covered across multiple episodes and from when Bran first meets the previous 3-eyed raven north of the wall (end of Season 4) up to Hodor's end (Season 6, ep 5).  I don't believe Bran is in Season 5 at all though and most of the history is in the first few episodes in Season 6.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bran_Stark#Season_4

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On ‎4‎/‎29‎/‎2019 at 7:33 AM, RBHeadge PE said:

1) I would think that the books would explain this more. IF the books are ever written. The show didn't (or couldn't) expand upon that mythology so they had to default to the tired trope of "he's the embodiment of death"

2) Lady Mormont (the little girl) went out in badass fashion. There was another 'B' character who died, but I can't remember his name (edit: Dolorous Edd )

3) Who's to say it wasn't near millions? The books certainly made it seems like he was dicking around for years north of the wall finding every dead body available.

4) Poetic license, narrative demanded it, it looked cool? I didn't get the strategy for this battle at all.

5) see #4

6) see #4

7) see #4, but that dragon was pretty jacked up, he was breathing cold-fire out of multiple places in his neck and face. Prolly couldn't get a coherent strong enough breath weapon to do serious damage. Plus the dragon spent spent a lot of time breathing on the great wall before it fell.

 

I'd sort of like to better understand the intended strategy here. Because it looks to me that it was all standard dramatic narrative driven: wipe out 98% of the humans, make it look like a TPK, have a few contrived rescues, then the outta-nowhere badass one shot skill to destroy all of the forces of evil. I expected better out of this show, and instead we got a contrived 1970s narrative and cinematography.

TPK?  Someone else has played D&D, LOL

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Are the 2nd Sons still around? "The internets" are saying they are going to come back to help out? 

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53 minutes ago, Road Guy said:

Are the 2nd Sons still around? "The internets" are saying they are going to come back to help out? 

2nd Sons were left behind in Mereen to keep the peace while Dany took the Dothraki and Unsullied with her to war.

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Can we glean anything about next week's episode from the preview? It looks like another move the pieces into place and talk episode.

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Maybe Sam could do a few push ups or some core strengthening exercises before the next battle?

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3 hours ago, Road Guy said:

Maybe Sam could do a few push ups or some core strengthening exercises before the next battle?

Why should he?  He gets more action than anyone else.

 

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Thoroughly unimpressed by this episode.  I just felt like they spent another 80 minutes getting to the fact that Dany feels threatened by John and others are starting to notice.  I feel like this may come to a Jon vs. Dany in the end, with Dany losing her shit "Mad King" style, maybe after killing some of the Starks. 

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I predict Arya kills Dany. She will “shut” her green eyes like she shut the Ice Kong’s blue eyes. 

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18 minutes ago, Bot-Man said:

I predict Arya kills Dany. She will “shut” her green eyes like she shut the Ice Kong’s blue eyes. 

I could never tell if she has green eyes or not, good possibility though.  Otherwise, it will inevitably be one of the three Lannisters.

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I also think the “King slayer” becomes the Queen slayer. In other words Jaimie kills Cersei. 

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I'm not sure that Jamie wasn't more truthful with Brienne than it first seems, and that he still protects/defends his sister, killing off one of the Starks in turn.

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2 hours ago, Supe said:

Thoroughly unimpressed by this episode.  I just felt like they spent another 80 minutes getting to the fact that Dany feels threatened by John and others are starting to notice.  I feel like this may come to a Jon vs. Dany in the end, with Dany losing her shit "Mad King" style, maybe after killing some of the Starks. 

Dany can't burn King Landing to the ground in Cersei beats her to it with all of the hidden wildfire.

1 hour ago, Bot-Man said:

I predict Arya kills Dany. She will “shut” her green eyes like she shut the Ice Kong’s blue eyes. 

 

1 hour ago, Supe said:

I could never tell if she has green eyes or not, good possibility though.  Otherwise, it will inevitably be one of the three Lannisters.

They've been keeping her eye color pretty ambiguous all series. She's supposed to have purple eyes.

I suppose it's possible. Arya has to have some reason for being in King Landing with the hound....

6 minutes ago, Bot-Man said:

I also think the “King slayer” becomes the Queen slayer. In other words Jaimie kills Cersei. 

See above, it's a lock. King slayer, queen slayer, kin slayer.

2 minutes ago, Supe said:

I'm not sure that Jamie wasn't more truthful with Brienne than it first seems, and that he still protects/defends his sister, killing off one of the Starks in turn.

That scene certainly left viewers with that impression. I still think it's a feint. He's realized that he's gone too far for her and needs to make things right. After all, he didn't destroy River Run. He probably left Brienne with that impression to (a) let her down less hard; (b) make Cerseit et al think he's returning home an ally; (c) he knows that this is a one way trip - assassinate Cersei and die in the process.

 

 

Why didn't Dany circle around the island and blow out the Euron's ships from behind. The ballistas couldn't be turned backwards, nor could they maneuver the ships that fast either? Yes I know the reason is: because the plot demanded it.

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Presumably for the same reason that Euron's ships seems to magically teleport everywhere and cannot be spotted by a woman riding a dragon.

If there's any wildfire left anywhere, I feel like it will be a bit of a cop-out after the implication that all the reserves were used to nuke the Sept.

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Meh, Cersie will have the alchemists make more wildfire off camera.

The writers have been arse-pulling for that last three seasons. Why stop in the penultimate episode?

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The laws of physics do not apply in GoT.

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yeah I definitely was a little annoyed by last nights show -

My thoughts -

Jaimee is pissed about Cersi's new lover Eruron and he is going back to kill him or Cersi

Euron should have finished off Danny last night, I don't know why he didn't, maybe his people cant fight on land?

Danny and her advisors are morons in terms of military strategy

If she had any brains she would roast the perimeter defences of Kings landing at night when they cant easily kill her last dragon

I'll just be glad when this is over - I am afraid were going to get one of those stupid Stephen King cheesy endings to the story

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32 minutes ago, ashmur90 said:

The laws of physics do not apply in GoT.

I was saying this a lot during the ballista barrage.

But how realistic can the physics be in a show with divine magic, seers, dragons, the undead, and an undead dragon?

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6 minutes ago, RBHeadge PE said:

I was saying this a lot during the ballista barrage.

But how realistic can the physics be in a show with divine magic, seers, dragons, the undead, and an undead dragon?

This is a valid argument. I need to quit thinking so hard for television.

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9 minutes ago, Road Guy said:

Euron should have finished off Danny last night, I don't know why he didn't, maybe his people cant fight on land?

Danny and her advisors are morons in terms of military strategy

If she had any brains she would roast the perimeter defences of Kings landing at night when they cant easily kill her last dragon

Or Cersie should have finished off Dany and company during the parlay. Lannisters have blown up the rules before. Why not do it again?

Dany, Jon, et al. have been awful at military strategy the last few seasons.

Or have the dragon drop huge rocks onto the perimeter defenses from a very large height. The ballista can only shoot so far and so high an angle. Or, have trebuchets destroy the ballista from distance. But the preview makes it look like she'll dive bomb-breath fire on the ships instead...

 

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2 minutes ago, ashmur90 said:

This is a valid argument. I need to quit thinking so hard for television.

Not necessarily. The rules needs to be consistent and believable within their own universe.

The show has been really bad at that lately. The show would have never been this successful if they were this sloppy (with all production values) in the first couple seasons.

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