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About hp32si

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    structural engineer
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    Structural
  1. Passing rate repeat civil PE

    Yeah, I know because of your leadership in your "2nd largest privately held" company, you know everything and it makes it fact. The only fact is that this is your anecdotal opinion. This is not a fact. This is your opinion, based on anecdotal evidence. I have read your posts. You are not reading mine. What would you call a person who doesn't pass the first time? A "high performer?". It is not a personal judgement on anything. A person who did not pass the first time did not perform well on the test, therefore they are not a high performer. If they do not change something, they will not pass again. MAYBE THEY CAN"T CHOOSE TO CHANGE BECAUSE OF CIRCUMSTANCE DO you like that? Does that satisfy you? But it remains, if they don't change something they are more likely to continue to fail, unless they are extremely lucky. If you cannot see that is a fact it isn't worth the electrons to discuss this with you. SO from your statement when a person passes the 3rd or 4th time now they become a HIGH PERFORMER? See how it is a judgement call about when a person passes the test--- I understand the idea that you are trying to get across but Mike still implies that the order a person passes a test dictates the level of his performance--Wouldn't you say that to label a person purely on this is overly simplistic? PS. these are no anecdotal but observations--To be anecdotal I would have to be stating something I heard from another source. If it is observed, in could be wrong if proven other wise. I based my observation on 14 yrs X 12 engineers a year = 168 observations more than just hearsay---I will grant you the fact it is not a large sample group but it is larger than your implied group of one.
  2. Passing rate repeat civil PE

    I fixed this typo. Thanks---I am using my wife's MAC---Don't know how to spell check with a one button mouse???? Spelling errors are very important to point out
  3. Passing rate repeat civil PE

    I'm not missing the point. You seem to feel personally insulted by what Mike wrote when it is merely a statement of fact. It makes no statrement about why anyone was or was not able to study. It merely states that for whatever reason, if you do not perform well the first time (ie pass the test); if you do not change anything you are less likely to perform well the second time. It may not be possible for you to change anything. But that doesn't change the fact that you must change something, or have significant luck the second time in order to pass. The truth is that a lot of people who don't study the first time don't change anything the second time, third time, or tenth time. In EE, a lot of people think they can get my without working problems - just reading the text. A big mistake in my opinion. And to me your notion that young people all have the time to study and simply don't beause they prefer to recreate is pretty insulting to young people who may have severe challenges, including young kids, illness, etc. It is not a fact---he is extrapolating a hypothesis on why he thinks people don't pass---
  4. Passing rate repeat civil PE

    I'm not missing the point. You seem to feel personally insulted by what Mike wrote when it is merely a statement of fact. It makes no statrement about why anyone was or was not able to study. It merely states that for whatever reason, if you do not perform well the first time (ie pass the test); if you do not change anything you are less likely to perform well the second time. It may not be possible for you to change anything. But that doesn't change the fact that you must change something, or have significant luck the second time in order to pass. The truth is that a lot of people who don't study the first time don't change anything the second time, third time, or tenth time. In EE, a lot of people think they can get my without working problems - just reading the text. A big mistake in my opinion. And to me your notion that young people all have the time to study and simply don't beause they prefer to recreate is pretty insulting to young people who may have severe challenges, including young kids, illness, etc. READ MY POSTs--I never said they do not study---I said they have the choice to study --simple fact ----
  5. Passing rate repeat civil PE

    ^^Ditto. After working for 20 years in positions where they didn't require licensure (heck, where a lot of people thin PE stands for Physical Education), I got a job which required a PE for advancement. I was near 50. Not only did I have a wife and kid, I had a gravely ill mother living with us. The one thing I knew was that I sure as he!! didn't want to take the damn thing twice. So I took a class and studied my a$$ off. I passed, while several officemates under 30, many of them single, have been unsuccessful through various attempts. I'm not sure why they didn't pass, and knowing them I am sure they all will at some point. But they apparently don't have an advantage being younger. Sounds like you and I were doing the same thing-I have been designing industrial structures for 18 years -PE not required most of the time-One project I did had 821 structural drawings-greenfield corn syrup plant for Cargill in North Dakota---I was 48 when I passed--Took it 4 times---Married 3 kids-10 to 4 -First wife terminal ill one year after I started to try to pass the exam-Passed away three years later--Single dad 3 kids for the second time----Just married new wife, with baby on the way for the third---The fourth and last time I was able to take time to study properly--- Remember statistics don't lie just the people who use them. The main point I was trying to get across is the test is not about statistics--It is about just what I said and you stated------I studied my a$$ off---Yes you where able to take the TIME to study and pass. Younger people have less things in the way so they should be able to study more---I know when I was 29 or 30 I was thinking about where my wife and I were going out on the weekend (no kids until I was 32). To use statistics to explain a test that people can't even tell you how they grade it is self serving PERIOD! Everyone is missing the point----It is about being able to have choose to make the time to study for the exam----I was pointing out that at a younger age---you have more free time and less responsibilities at work hence more time to study---You will notice as you get older your time is spent on other people instead of your self---Your children get older--play sports or the band-somebody has to drive them--your parents get older and need your help, Your church or other groups you spend time with want you to help them---Look at what you spent or spend you time on in your 20s and 30s---If you are honest, a large portion of it is on what you want to do---football/basketball games, hunting fishing, trip to ski or the beach-etc--It is that freedom to be able to choose is the point---
  6. Passing rate repeat civil PE

    I read that last thread a while back----I thought it was a load of $hit then as I do now-- The PE is a young man's game---To pass it helps to have the time to devote to studying----It helps to have little or no responsibilities at work other than sitting in a cube and doing what you are told, (basically that describes a lot of the 5 to 7 year engineers) , single is best but married no children! Renting an apartment is better than owning a house because when you own the home, you have to fix it when things break--- All these items take away from your study time---At that is what is required to pass—STUDY TIME period---I believe that almost any engineer can pass the PE with enough study time---I think the comment by “Mike in Gastonia” in Dec 2007(see his comment below) is a bunch of self serving baloney to pump up his ego and but other people down who didn’t pass the first time. Also the times I took the test I always marked first time taker---because this was the first time I took THAT test. After you read it you will note that he is telling you that he is a high-performer---I call it BS! “Based on the explanations I've seen here's my shot at explaining it....... The group of "first-time" examinees is significantly different from the group of "repeat-taker" examinees. The "first-time" group includes a more or less even mixture of high-performing, medium-performing, and low-performing candidates. They all take the exam. Most of the high performers pass, some of the medium performers pass, and only a few of the low performers pass. Those who pass leave the exam group. Those who do not pass become repeat takers. So what does the repeat taker group look like? It has only a few high performers (because most of them already passed), plus some medium performers, and most of the low performers. So the repeat taker group -- unlike the first-timer group -- consists mostly of low performers. Assuming that the exams are of similar difficulty, there needs to be something different about the repeat taker to pass the second time because otherwise they will fail again. The repeat takers who had a bad day the first time or changed their approach will pass and be removed from the repeater group.”
  7. Response From Employer

    Find another job and don't limit your job search!
  8. Who failed the PE?

    Steve-Does your state recognize the Structural 1 as an S.E.? If they do not, then I must ask why you are taking the Structural 1 PE exam. My state (Tennessee) doesn't allow the use of SE behind your name so why take a test with a 30% failure rate if you get no benefit from taking it. Wouldn't the civil with structural afternoon also work (65% passing)? Even if you pass the Structural 1 this fall you will still have to take the 16 hour test in 2011 to get your SE---
  9. Response From Employer

    Hey--but it the gift the keeps giving-------year round!
  10. Response From Employer

    Nothing SO------- Partnership-----In another company------
  11. Civil PE April 2010

    I also thought I failed---but I passed 4th try---but it still counts! The morning was easy. I left 45 minutes early even after I checked the problems- Afternoon was harder than in the test October--go figure! Must have answered more correctly in the morning section
  12. Tennessee Results

    Keep at it---It took me a few times to pass-------You will get it next time!
  13. Tennessee Results

    Congrats and Happy B-Day!! I am hoping for the same thing this week..... Hope you get good news-----Soon One more funny thing - I didn't think I passed so I spent the last month reapplying because my application expired June 1----Weird how that happened Does TN give you a certain number of tries before reapplying or is it a time frame issue? I passed but I am just curious. application is good for 5 years then you must reapply-references and everything---
  14. Tennessee Results

    Congrats and Happy B-Day!! I am hoping for the same thing this week..... Hope you get good news-----Soon One more funny thing - I didn't think I passed so I spent the last month reapplying because my application expired June 1----Weird how that happened
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