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  1. 19 points
    I finally passed! Congratulations to those of you who passed, and a big hug for those who haven't.
  2. 12 points
    If it makes you feel any better, I've taken the exam 4 times and finally passed this time. My score breakdown for the previous exams are: Civil: Geotech: October 2017: 47/80 (AM: 27, PM: 20) April 2018: 46/80 (AM: 21, PM: 25) October 2018: 45/80 (AM: 25, PM: 20) Don't get discouraged (easier said than done, I know) but keep on going. Don't quit, just keep taking it until you pass!
  3. 12 points
    Best of luck on your exams today! I turned off posting ability for new "members" through the weekend, well be back up Monday afternoon after you have forgotten the test questions- Please do not post anything that resembles an exam question here - Level of "safe" posts: Safe- "Wow that test was hard, should have bought Road Guys Study manual" Less safe - "Geesh there were lots of water questions on there" Danger Area - "Did anyone get the answer to the HCM question where there were values for ADT, Shoulder Width, but not for Speed Design?" NCEES will subpoena your account and kill you level - " Two trains leave the station at exactly 4:00 PM, EST, Train A, is Red and is carrying 1000 passengers and is travelling at a rate of speed of 100 KM/H while Train B is blue, only carrying 500 Ford Ranger Pickup Trucks, each with 2 gallons of gasoline, is travelling at a rate of speed of 80 MPH. Which train will reach San Diego in time to have their test results invalidated?
  4. 10 points
    Welcome to the post April 2019 PE post-exam wait period. Did you think that studying for the exam and taking the exam was the hard part? Well you were wrong! Waiting for the exam results is the worst part of this whole process. A few years ago @Dexman PE PMP wrote a famous post ( http://engineerboards.com/topic/21356-feel-good-about-how-you-did-on-the-exam/ ) outlining the stages of the post-exam emotional roller-coaster. I’ve reproduced his immortal words (italics) and added a few new insights and advice below. Phase 0 (Emotional Hangover) This happens immediately after the conclusion of the exam. You spend the next few days bouncing between phases 1-5, either individually or at the same time. You are Heisenberg's test result, simultaneously convinced that you passed and failed at the same time. You'll find yourself suddenly with a lot of free time and no idea what to spend it on (pro tip: spam thread here, spend time with family and friends, or burn off the stress at the gym). You'll be looking at which PE stamps to order, and which PE study classes to take for the next exam. After a few days your brain will slow down and you settle into... Phase 1 (CALM) This stage will last a few days. You are mostly recovered from the mental marathon of the exam and post-exam emotional roller coaster. The full weight of what has just happened hasn’t really set in and you are probably a bit relaxed thinking that the worst is over. Phase 2 (SECOND-GUESSING) will start to set in over the next few days. You will start to forget small (but important) pieces of the exam and forget how you answered the question, but will remember just enough so that you keep trying to re-calculate the answers in your head. You will slowly begin to convince yourself that you got it wrong. Phase 3 (WORRY) will follow within a few weeks. At this point, you've convinced yourself that you've missed a few problems, but you *should* still be ok. Phase 4 (DOUBT) After worrying for about a month (we're now within 2-3 weeks of results at this point), you'll jump into full blown doubt. You are now certain that you missed way too many questions to stand a chance at passing. Phase 5 (ANGER) Once you've lost hope of passing, you'll move into Phase 5 (anger) over the fact that it's taken way too damn long to grade a simple scantron and the guys at NCEES are morons for taking so long. I mean, really, 6-8 weeks to feed a scantron into a f*ing machine, COME ON!! Another source of anger stems from all of the "Not this shit again" and "Don't try to calc it because it's worthless" responses to all of your cut-score and release date posts. BTW, want a sanity check of why it takes so long to “just score a scantron”? look here: http://engineerboards.com/topic/29578-ncees-news-update/?page=8&tab=comments#comment-7463208 Phase 6 (RESULTS) Finally, you'll hit Phase 6 (results). Each person reacts differently at this point whether they passed or not, how many times they've taken it, financial implications, expectations, etc. Regardless of how the results come out, at this point you will find that the CAB of your choice is very welcomed to either celebrate or cry into. Then there are obsessive futile “exercises” waiting examinees engage in. These can happen anytime during phases 2, 3, 4, and 5. The order of the exercise is arbitrary Futile Exercise A (Trying to calculate the cut-score) you’ll start speculating on the cut score, as if it’s universal for all exams. Maybe discussing a question in a nebulous way and convincing yourself that it will get tossed (questions aren’t tossed). You start spouting conspiracy theories that there is a quota for maximum and minimum number of passers (there isn’t), or that NCESS wants you to fail to get more of your money (meh, not really). The cut score will vary from exam session to exam session and from one engineering discipline to another. The cut score is based on what the minimally competent PE would get for that selection of test problems. Yes, PEs and other SMEs take practice exams with those problems to establish a baseline. It’s futile to try to guess the “cut score”, and even if you could you don’t know your own score anyway, so it really doesn’t matter. Want a little more elaboration? Look here: http://engineerboards.com/topic/30365-the-wait-is-killing-me/?do=findComment&comment=7485676 Futile Exercise B (trying to figure out how to get results before they come out) You’ll start trying to figure out ways to learn of your results before they come out. This will include searching your state’s PE license lookup or another state website, spam calling and emailing NCEES or the state board, etc. First: Please be nice to your state board workers! You are taking this test to become a professional, so act like a professional. NCESS won’t tell you anything beyond “8-10 weeks” until after they released the results. The state boards won’t tell you much more and NCESS usually doesn’t share anything firm with them anyway. The boards will often get surprised with the results too. No state starts updating their license lookup prior to the initial release of results. So don’t bother searching there until at least one state has released first! Some states (Mass, NJ, and a couple others) have other websites like where you can divine a pass/fail, but it won’t happen until other states have already started releasing, and those states tend to release after everyone else too. Futile Exercise C (guessing the release date) This is another favorite pass time. You’ll start looking through old map threads to try to guess the release date. Maybe you’ll look at state board meetings dates and try to cross reference with the past results to figure out when’s this years’ will come out. Multiple posters look at the (lack of) data and come to a “conclusion” that a given date is “it”. The OG’s tell you that the wait will last a little bit longer, but group-think sets in and the vets get mocked for “trolling”. Things get even worse when the “sure thing” date passes without a release. No one can say with certainty when the results will be released this early after the exam. With that written, we have been following things for a while and we have an idea of when the release will generally happen. Fall results take longer than spring results because of the holidays and time available to schedule cut score meetings. The vets may not know the exact date ahead of time, but we generally know the signs and can confidently give a “no earlier than” date. This is not the same as a release date. We’ll also know when things are imminent. Still want to scratch the itch? @Duckdude actually took the time to make a spreadsheet of known release dates for all states for all exams sessions going back for over a decade. And he did it AFTER he got his results back. Great dedication and work on his part! You can browse it here if you are curious. Futile Exercise (reading the tea leaves) This is a variation on futile exercises B and C, but warrants its own category. You’ll start scrutinizing every NCEES tweet or facebook post, take screenshots and discuss minor tweaks to the dashboard layout, or get over excited when a state board has called an emergency meeting. You look for any clue or edge to see if you passed/failed or when the results may come out. Sometimes these signs are legit, often they’re not. The OG’s have been tracking things for years and know how to separate the signal from the noise. Futile Exercise E (harassing NCEES and state board employees) The title says it all, it's an aggravated version of futile exercise B. Don't be a d$%K and try to avoid this one. You aren't doing yourself any favors by acting unprofessional. Futile Exercise F5 (spam reloading the NCEES dashboard) During this phase you are continuously reloading the NCEES dashboard and/or refreshing your email. FWIW, we can confirm that sometimes the examinees' dashboard will update with the result prior to the NCESS email going out. The time difference is anywhere from no-delay to a couple hours. Go ahead and spam F5 the dashboard to blow off steam. Speaking of blowing off steam, trying the April 2019 spam thread: or any of the other game threads. So, how did the exam go last week?
  5. 10 points
    You will begin to despise Justin Stine more and more each time you login.
  6. 9 points
    @RBHeadge PE. Thank you for all you do for this forum. It just amazes me to see your influence here. I am sure a lot of people on this forum appreciate what you do. Once again thank you!
  7. 9 points
    Still says "PASS". Had to make sure it was real
  8. 8 points
    Dear NCEES, Roses are red, violets aren’t blue It’s amazing the pain that you put me through I pay for your test, I studied so hard “Unacceptable” you say! My psyche is scarred. But surely, I think, the next time’s the charm? Learn from my mistakes, ok what’s the harm? With each failed attempt, it’s less likely I’ll pass The tears I have shed, ‘twould surprise you, their mass. I did what I could, bought your practice exam. “Accurate practice”…we both know it’s a sham. But oh well what’s the point, I’ll pay you again. Each consecutive fail like a kick to the shin. Don’t worry some say, this is what’s life’s like! You fall, stand up tall, and get back on the bike. But this is quite different, I sardonically say These graders—with my emotions they play They trick me and fool me in every way What did I do wrong? No one can tell Frustration so strong, it could make me yell. But my dear friends that’s the end of this rhyme Sorry that reading it took so much time. NCEES there’s still time, for us to be friends A simple, succinct and fair way to make amends. In April when you see my dear test Just put “acceptable”, let’s agree, it’d be best.
  9. 7 points
    "Humpty Dumpty isn't the only one having a great fall," titters @MadamPirate, tossing their carefully styled hair over their shoulder, somehow avoiding having any flay-aways cling to the artfully applied lip glass thickly coating their lips. Taking a sip of their Starbucks (because they deserve it), they complete the action by lounging sensuously in the large armchair that is situated in the store's front window. Sitting across from them is @Will.I.Am, hands barely peeking out from the sleeves of their large, and extremely stylish, cable-knit sweater, humming softly in response as they take a sip of their own beverage. Never mind that they ordered an iced coffee and the cup is the farthest thing for being hot: the sweater and bundled up/cozy look is soooo Autumn 2019 aesthetic. "Motherfucking decorative gourd season." They respond, shimmying so they were even deeper in their sweater, which seems slightly more voluminous than it was just a moment ago. The bell chimed softly as a different patron entered the store for a mid-day refreshment. It was so nice having a chain coffee store in the neighborhood. Granted, something organic and local would have been better, but, ugh, the people who ran those stores! Totally didn't fit with the image they were trying to portray to the 'other' neighborhoods. No, no, it was much better to have a trademarked company, with a stock symbol, control the caffeine of those who didn't French-press it at home. It was the lesser of two evils. Plus the holiday cups were so cute: perfect for selfies and instas. @ChebyshevII PE carefully made a duckface that highlighted their cheekbones and tastefully implied they were too important to have a job and that things were just given to them in life. It was a hard insta life, but somebody had to be an influencer. #2blessed2bstressed #starbucks #redcup #lookoftheday They had over 100k followers who hung on their every word, just had to make sure they never took a picture when they were covered in child vomit and they'd be golden. As if the nanny would let the children loose for that long. Just as they were about to hit submit, the front door banged open with a thunderous clang and @Ranger1316 stumbled into the Starbucks, screaming, "@blybrook PE was killed last night! @blybrook PE was murdered!!" They actually dared to cut the line and head to the front without even having a mobile order. "Didn't you hear me, @blybrook PE was murdered! They were a professional body builder! Why would they attempt to actually bench press when they were trying to cut water weight before a competition!?!" They wailed when there was no reaction. Ambiance: Destroyed. Glaring patrons: Everywhere. Flower latte art: looking suspiciously like a penis. "You have to believe me! How did you not hear that they were killed?" @Ranger1316 exclaimed when no one moved from their cozy perches. Baffled at the lack of response, they grabbed @NikR's arm, causing hot chocolate to spill everywhere, "Something is wrong here. Something is seriously-" A choked off cry as a pitcher full of steamed milk was thrown in their face by the surprisingly petite barista, who had left their post behind the counter. As @Ranger1316 squirmed on the ground, eyes swelling and skin beginning to peel after turning a violent shade of red, the barista turned a blindingly white smile to @NikR. "I'm sorry for that disturbance, can I replace your drink? At Starbucks we understand we sometimes don't always make it right, and we want to make sure your drink is perfect." @NikR nodded dully, having never lifted their eyes from their phone where they were watching an Asian man do a full face of makeup after working, what seems to be, a full day in a coal mine. These skills are obviously worth studying and are way more important than the blathering of someone who would dare disturb the peace of a Sbux. "Does anyone else's order need to be corrected?" The barista asks, their voice melodiously blending with the Indy music being piped in from the hidden speakers, but loud enough to drown out @Ranger1316's pained whimpers. @vhab49_PE's perfectly plucked eyebrow rose above their Cartier Panthere aviators at the barista's inquiry. Obviously, death was the only answer. With a nod at their patron's request, the barista grabbed @Ranger1316 by the hair and somehow easily pulled them behind the counter while their co-workers continued to make drinks at an alarming speed. There was a gurgled shout, a strained 'No!', and then the heavy sound of the microwave door slamming shut on a solid object. The paninis would take a while to heat for the next customer. A moment later, the Vitamix blender crunches through something a little bit more solid than a frappuchino. Thank god they had three of the blenders in service at this location. "Venti, hot, skinny, vanilla chai latte, extra hot for...Shart? Venti, hot, skinny, vanilla chai latte, extra hot for Shart?" @chart94 sighed and grabbed the offered beverage. Smooth jazz played in the background over the smell of slightly burnt coffee and fresh blood. Nobody seemed concerned. @Ranger1316 was a gated community member (aka; a solid townie). The remaining players are: @ChebyshevII PE, @chart94, @RBHeadge PE, @Will.I.Am, @tj_PE, @NikR, @vhab49_PE, and @MadamPirate The final vote was: 6 @Ranger1316 1 @RBHeadge PE
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  11. 7 points
    Best case: Throw out the entire afternoon session with no change to the cut score %.
  12. 7 points
    Michigan is out. I PASSED!!!!
  13. 7 points
    PAAAAASED SURVEY! Yaha!!! So happy. Now back to re-studying seismic 😐
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  15. 6 points
    Chief @Roarbark is on the case. He's authorized thousands of dollars of overtime and CI payments to eradicate the mob. With all of his resources spent he's finally built a case to take down the ruthless mobster @vhab49_PE. He assembles his posse "the Hawaii 5-0". They rush to her house, no sirens. Because they don't want to tip her off before they get there. They set up a battering ram outsider her front door. Before they can use it though, her door opens. She exits with her hands raised, surrenders peacefully. She's smiles, knowing her lawyers will keep her out of prison. The jury convicted @vhab49_PE by a vote of 3-1. The town lynched @vhab49_PE, she was mafia. The town eradicated the mafia presence.
  16. 6 points
    More like due to big life events culminating from the last seven years of my life, involving some new bling and two weeks of vacation off in a distant tropical island. So yeah, totally because of you!
  17. 6 points
    I regret voting out @Audi driver, P.E.. @Audi driver, P.E. loves this game and really wanted to stay.
  18. 6 points
    Oh man what a wave of releif
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  20. 6 points
    Here is my take: If we receive an email today stating that our results are available, then we will likely have the results today. If no such email is received today, then it is extremely unlikely we'll have said results today. I'm not 100% sure of my logic but it seems pretty stout.
  21. 6 points
    The frustrating part is hitting refresh, seeing green, and then realizing that is just my FE exam listed below the pending PE. Ugh.
  22. 6 points
    Two weeks away peeps... I am starting to feel the anxiety building inside...green box please Lord 🙏
  23. 6 points
    @csb I just stood up so fast on the plane and I'm thinking of you ❤️
  24. 6 points
    Congrats, ladies. Your ability to turn the Random Topics thread into the Ladies Lounge and reveal Wooly's waxing secrets in < 3 pages is impressive, even by EB standards.
  25. 6 points
    No CERM , No Reference books , No Solved Problems Hmmm...good luck.
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  28. 6 points
    It's bad, but the level of awfulness varies with time First Day: neutral Second Day: this is annoying but NBD Third Day: bulging vein and visible sweat on forehead, but survivable. good story to tell years later Day 4+: Full unbridle Phase 5 Anger 1 week: Phase 5 & extra subphase E activities 2 weeks: starting to look up contact information for state elected officials Full Pennsylvania: coworkers are so nervous for their own safety that they notified local law enforcement and psychiatric professionals
  29. 5 points
    @NikR had finally returned from an overseas trip in an attempt to purchase a new yacht that he would be able to moor his smaller 'day-yacht' to. Upon stepping from their car, the first thing they noticed was...the lack of neighbors. Where was @tj_PE, running a sub-6 minute mile? Where was @blybrook PE's loud pop-centric music that was always playing from their garage when they worked out? Hell, even @chart94's customary yelling during football season was missing. "This...is odd." They said out loud, turning in a circle, also noting the lack of lights on at any of the surrounding homes. As they turned back, ready to grab the gifts in their back seat, they paused at the crunch of a shoe on gravel. Jerking up, because the silence was creepy even when you were in such an influential neighborhood like this, they relaxed when they saw one of their oldest friends. "Ah, @ChebyshevII PE, what's going on?" @NikR asked, turning back to the bags, "I didn't hear from you during my trip. You didn't call like you usually do. How are things?" They rambled, rooting through some crinkly plastic. When @ChebyshevII PE didn't answer they stopped, a shiver causing a line of hair to stand up the length of their back. When they stood to see where they friend was, they jolted when @ChebyshevII PE was much, much, closer than they were when they first approached. Something seemed...off in their friend. "Are...are you okay?" Without warning, @ChebyshevII PE surged forward, an ice skate gripped in their hand. @NikRcried out in alarm when a huge gouge was taken out from the side of their car, that special edition cost soooo much money, which quickly turned into a cry of pain when the blade was twisted to follow its own trajectory into their softer side. A struggle ensued when @NikR slammed their foot into @ChebyshevII PE's knee, remembering an old golfing injury, causing the other to fall to ground. As @NikR sprinted away, @RBHeadge PE and @vhab49_PE came from the other direction, both expressions blossoming in alarm: one due to @NikR's injuries, the other due to realizing that @ChebyshevII PE has been chasing, and gaining, on @NikR. @vhab49_PE vaulted towards the limping @ChebyshevII PE, slamming an elbow into their nose with a satisfying crunch and following it with a foot hooked behind the already obscenely bulging knee. As @ChebyshevII PE fell to the ground with a solid thump, @vhab49_PE tackled the rest of their body flat, slapping cuffs around their wrists as @ChebyshevII PE continued to struggle in silence. "What happened to him? Nothing seemed wrong? His instagram didn't hint anything was wrong!" Wailed @NikR as @RBHeadge PE applied pressure on their wound. Once it was confirmed the slash hadn't nicked any vital organs, @RBHeadge PE sighed and sat back on their heels. "We weren't sure what was going on. People kept disappearing...all @ChebyshevII PE's fault, of course," they said quickly. A deep breath was taken before they continued, "When @vhab49_PE told me their suspicions, we went to @ChebyshevII PE's house to confront them before they struck again. While there...We found Nestle water." @NikR gasped in horror. No! Everyone in the top 1% of this country knew what would happen if they drank bottled water that was under $8 a bottle! "Exactly." @RBHeadge PE looked over to where @vhab49_PE was wrestling a dead-weight @ChebyshevII PE onto their feet. "We can only hope they'll get treatment and turn into the friend we used to know." As @vhab49_PE walked off with @ChebyshevII PE, and the survivors wondered where they had gone wrong, what they could have done differently to save some of their friends, @NikRhad to ask, "Does this mean I can use @ChebyshevII PE's dock space?" @ChebyshevII PE was a mafia member (aka: a townie who made the poor mistake of drinking cheap bottled water). The remaining players are: @RBHeadge PE (the doctor), @NikR, @vhab49_PE (the cop, again!) and @MadamPirate The final vote was: 3 @ChebyshevII PE 1 @RBHeadge PE 1 @NikR TOWNIES WIN. This was a lot of fun modding!
  30. 5 points
    This right here is solid gold. I fucking love it.
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  32. 5 points
    I am glad he was able to take easy breaths. Not being able to breathe properly is not a good start to exam day.
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  34. 5 points
    Was it in the armpit?
  35. 5 points
    The only problem with living in Indiana, is that you're living in Indiana.
  36. 5 points
    I meant to log in earlier. I truly appreciate your help EB folks, especially @RBHeadge PE I passed Electrical, Power. The advice I got here really helped me. I will definitely give back.
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    NY is out! Passed. Thanks to God!
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  40. 5 points
    This shit cannot be good for my heart. I dont think my heart rate can stay elevated for this long.
  41. 5 points
    Word is that Kesha got her intel from this thread...
  42. 5 points
    The last 3 pages of this forum seem to support this as well.
  43. 5 points
    Mauve is not a compliment... You shouldn't be trolling YOURSELVES like this.
  44. 5 points
    I'm still reading all of your posts in Arya's voice. The answer to your question: and if it weren't here, it'd be another online forum somewhere Nearly all states, with only a few notable exceptions, now approve NCEES to release the results to the examinees immediately-hours after being notified by NCEES that the results are ready. For general knowledge: NCEES is not a government agency. They are a non-profit and they have a lot of responsibility and liability to get things done appropriately the first time. This statement is not meant to spur debate about "non-profit". Ohh, good catch! So good news: This wouldn't effect the release of results to the country at large. The results have been released during a regional meeting in the past. most states at that regional meeting still released on day 1 the neutral news: Many state boards have limited full time staff, and it's possible that that indivdual(s) may be at the meeting, so they may/may not be able to respond to email quickly the bad news: a few of the states present at the aforementioned regional meeting did see a slight delay in the release of their results: half a day-couple days To save you all the trouble: 8675309 you rang?
  45. 5 points
    did you take that screen shot with a potato?
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  48. 5 points
    Well, 4 years, 64 exam hours, and about a year of cumulative studying later...I finally passed both exams (5th attempt for VF and 3rd attempt for LF). I hope this can encourage those of you who aren't in the select few able to pass this thing on the first or second attempt. Coming into this exam 4 years ago, I had never failed at any test I had taken (1 undergrad and 2 masters degrees included). But this one is a different animal in every possible way. It is certainly passable but will take every bit of effort and a little bit of good fortune to make it happen. To be honest, I felt less confident this time around than past attempts. In the past, I answered all the questions on both parts and in both exams. On this one, I know I didn't get to answer half of one of the PM VF problems and incorrectly answers half of one of the LF PM problems. I answers all the AM problems within the time limit confidently. The only thing I can think of is that I simply was more accurate with the answers I gave in the morning (70% was the best I had done in the past) and perhaps explained myself better and more clearly in the PM questions with more traceable references (previous best was 1 acceptable and 2 needs improvements). I will note that I did submit a set of comments to NCEES concerning some specific PM questions I felt were too time consuming for the 4 hour time limit and a question I felt was misleading. I explained my reasoning and they did respond promptly that they were appreciative of my comments and would consider them when working on a passing score. I do not know for sure if this helped but it seems reasonable that it may have. I know some mentioned they missed the window for comments so I would encourage you in future exams to take advantage if you truely have a constructive comment. Please do not use it to complain or provide unhelpful feedback as that doesn't help NCEES, you, or your peers. So, to those of you stuck in the cycle of SE Exam failures, I know your pain and know that you can pass this thing still if you are close. To those of you considering taking this exam, be warned that it will be a bigger sacrifice than you are likely considering and be sure you are in it for the long haul unless you are academically above most of the rest of us. Congrats of course to all who passed.
  49. 5 points
    Congrats on your pass @notengineeringanymore. Glad to see the enviro PE exam getting some representation on here. Wow, I took an entire suitcase of references in there with me, amazed you needed only 3. Good job. 1. This was my third attempt. I was planning a wedding the first two attempts and did not put in the study time that I should have. This time, I studied my ass off. I started studying several weeks after my honeymoon and just went from there. By the last month, I was studying both before and after work. Lots of practice problems, did a prep course, did as many problems as I could. I was feeling pretty confident about it until the week before, when I failed a couple of practice exams. I was still expecting to feel fairly confident about the exam on test day. But I definitely walked out feeling like I had failed. I left the morning session feeling sad and depressed; all I could do was eat my sad little lunch, stare at the skyline, and think sad, angsty thoughts. I went into the PM session feeling totally defeated. My husband picked me up from the test site, and no joke, I sobbed just about the entire way home. I really, really felt like I had failed it. 2. No, honestly, I'm shocked I'm passed. I mean, I put in enough study time that it makes sense I passed...but the exam was so difficult that I really, really thought I had failed. Everyone told me afterward that there was still a chance that I'd passed, but the feeling I had leaving was so similar to the first two attempts that I assumed I didn't get it this time. I thought, "YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW MY TEST." But now that I'm on the other side, I did better than I thought I had.
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