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  1. 19 points
    I finally passed! Congratulations to those of you who passed, and a big hug for those who haven't.
  2. 15 points
    North Carolina is out. I'm 54 years old...out of school 26 years. Passed ME TFS the first time. 😀😀😀😉
  3. 14 points
    Your welcome! I'm glad I could help makes things a little less worse for everyone. I'd also like to thank the other vets for their help and guidance both this session and in the past. I would encourage everyone to stick around and help the next group, or just stick around in general, we're a fun group.
  4. 12 points
    If it makes you feel any better, I've taken the exam 4 times and finally passed this time. My score breakdown for the previous exams are: Civil: Geotech: October 2017: 47/80 (AM: 27, PM: 20) April 2018: 46/80 (AM: 21, PM: 25) October 2018: 45/80 (AM: 25, PM: 20) Don't get discouraged (easier said than done, I know) but keep on going. Don't quit, just keep taking it until you pass!
  5. 12 points
    Best of luck on your exams today! I turned off posting ability for new "members" through the weekend, well be back up Monday afternoon after you have forgotten the test questions- Please do not post anything that resembles an exam question here - Level of "safe" posts: Safe- "Wow that test was hard, should have bought Road Guys Study manual" Less safe - "Geesh there were lots of water questions on there" Danger Area - "Did anyone get the answer to the HCM question where there were values for ADT, Shoulder Width, but not for Speed Design?" NCEES will subpoena your account and kill you level - " Two trains leave the station at exactly 4:00 PM, EST, Train A, is Red and is carrying 1000 passengers and is travelling at a rate of speed of 100 KM/H while Train B is blue, only carrying 500 Ford Ranger Pickup Trucks, each with 2 gallons of gasoline, is travelling at a rate of speed of 80 MPH. Which train will reach San Diego in time to have their test results invalidated?
  6. 12 points
    I just joined this community yesterday, but I know that there are a lot of people out there that are currently getting some really awful news. While I am by no means an expert in test taking, I feel like I am somewhat qualified to offer some advice. I've taken four different NCEES exams, failing three of them - (FS Fail, FS Pass, FE Pass, PS Fail, PS Pass, PE Fail, PE Pass). If NCEES ever goes public, I'll buy stock. So for those who failed: 1) Take a Deep Breath: You're currently feeling a lot of emotions right now, and they're likely all negative. You poured countless hours and hundreds of dollars into this exam, and are feeling like it was all for nothing. It wasn't for nothing. You're now closer to passing the exam than you ever have been. This might feel like a huge set back, but it's a necessary step forward toward your license. Some people get there in one big step, while others take many small steps to get to their destination. 2) Prepare for Returning to Work: For me, this was the worst part of failing the exams. Having to explain my failure to co-workers, many of whom had already passed the PE or PS exam, was really difficult. In your mind, you likely think that colleagues are judging you more than they really are. The reality is that they are almost always sympathetic and feel badly for you. I've read some horror stories in the past where co-workers will verbally put down or make fun of someone who has failed - if this happens to you, I am so very sorry. That is truly a bad situation for so many reasons. But, 99% of the time, your co-workers will be sympathetic. 3) Take a Break: Every time I failed, my gut instinct was to jump right back on the horse and immediately start studying again. This is a positive mentality to have, but it might not be the most productive for passing this exam. Your first reaction might be, "But I've had a break for the past 6-8 weeks since I took my test". In reality, you haven't had a break. You've been stressing over the results, possibly losing sleep. Now that you know that you've failed and that you will have the opportunity to take the exam again, it's time to rest and clear your mind. You know what lies in your future, but for the next month, try to rest and make a plan. 4) Plan Your Move: One of the few benefits to failing is that you are presented with a report showing your weaknesses. Depending on how the exam went and what you know about yourself, this may or may not help you. For instance, my first PE fail showed that I was basically below average on everything except surveying. For me, it was completely back to the drawing board, but if you know that you're extremely strong in certain categories, terribly weak in others, and your results show this, then use it to your advantage when you start studying again. 5) Hop Back On the Horse: After a month of rest, pull out the crate of books that you last touched back in April, and slowly start studying again. If you took a prep class like EET or SoPE, look into if they offer a free 2nd attempt, or discounted classes for attempts beyond the 2nd attempt. If there were things that you didn't like about the class the first time, look into changing the school or instructor this time around (I had a difficult time following my geotech instructor the first time, and found that changing the instructor the 2nd time made all the difference). If you took a live class the first time and know where your weaknesses are this time, consider switching to on-demand if that's an option. This will allow you to spend more time on weak areas and less time on your strengths. 6) Pace Yourself: October is five months away. I won't lie - when taking a 2nd attempt and focusing on studying, those 5 months flew by. If you take a one month break, you have four months to study, and that is plenty of time. It's also plenty of time to completely burn yourself out. It's important to constantly study, but to also give your mind breaks. If your work is physically draining, plan on minimal studying on work days. If you must have weekends free, study 1-2 hrs a night, but give yourself a couple of nights off every week. Cramming and turning your brain to mush will do you no good in October - slow and steady wins the race. 7) When October Arrives, Relax: Stress is as much a factor in failing an exam as not being knowledgeable in your exam material. You will stress more going into this exam simply out of fear of failing again. Practice suppressing this fear, and know that you have an upper hand this time. You know what the test looks like. You know what the AM/PM time frame feels like. You've been here before. Reduce panic, skip questions that you are lost on, focus on what you know. (I realize all of this is easier said than done) But for now - just breathe. Looking back, this moment will blend with all others. You will no longer look upon it as a negative experience, but rather a building block that was necessary to get where you are bound to go. Best of luck!
  7. 12 points
    Welcome to phase 1 of the post-exam emotional roller-coaster. Phase 2 (second-guessing) will start to set in over the next few days. You will start to forget small (but important) pieces of the exam and forget how you answered the question, but will remember just enough so that you keep trying to re-calculate the answers in your head. You will slowly begin to convince yourself that you got it wrong. Phase 3 (worry) will follow within a few weeks. At this point, you've convinced yourself that you've missed a few problems, but you *should* still be ok. After worring for about a month (we're now within a couple weeks of results at this point), you'll jump into full blown doubt (Phase 4). You are now certain that you missed way too many questions to stand a chance at passing. Many people begin to formulate ways to calculate the cut-score. This is a sub-Phase that can happen any time between Phase 2 and Phase 4. Once you've lost hope of passing, you'll move into Phase 5 (anger) over the fact that it's taken way too damn long to grade a simple scantron and the guys at NCEES are morons for taking so long. I mean, really, 6-8 weeks to feed a scantron into a f*ing machine, COME ON!! Another source of anger stems from all of the "Not this shit again" and "Don't try to calc it because it's worthless" responses to all of your cut-score posts. Finally, you'll hit Phase 6 (results). Each person reacts differently at this point whether they passed or not, how many times they've taken it, financial implications, expectations, etc. Regardless of how the results come out, at this point you will find that the CAB of your choice is very welcomed to either celebrate or cry into. Also, please remember that all of the senior members have been through this all and consequently will endlessly torment and tease you. We do this simply because it was done to us (I remember going off on Capt Worley for one of his fake results threads back in 2008), and we hope that you all stick around to tease the next round of exam takers. There is nothing personal meant or implied with these teases, we're just trying to lighten the mood. All we can do to manage these feelings is to fully participate in the eb.com post-exam thread (typically the 10k, but may be different this year). Good luck, and we all look forward to meeting many new interesting (and hopefully equally disturbed) engineers and hope you all stick around to see what a fun and entertaining group we can actually be.
  8. 11 points
    My husband was with me when I got the results, and I kept asking, "YOU SEE A GREEN BOX, RIGHT? LIKE IT'S ACTUALLY GREEN?"
  9. 10 points
    Welcome to the post April 2019 PE post-exam wait period. Did you think that studying for the exam and taking the exam was the hard part? Well you were wrong! Waiting for the exam results is the worst part of this whole process. A few years ago @Dexman PE PMP wrote a famous post ( http://engineerboards.com/topic/21356-feel-good-about-how-you-did-on-the-exam/ ) outlining the stages of the post-exam emotional roller-coaster. I’ve reproduced his immortal words (italics) and added a few new insights and advice below. Phase 0 (Emotional Hangover) This happens immediately after the conclusion of the exam. You spend the next few days bouncing between phases 1-5, either individually or at the same time. You are Heisenberg's test result, simultaneously convinced that you passed and failed at the same time. You'll find yourself suddenly with a lot of free time and no idea what to spend it on (pro tip: spam thread here, spend time with family and friends, or burn off the stress at the gym). You'll be looking at which PE stamps to order, and which PE study classes to take for the next exam. After a few days your brain will slow down and you settle into... Phase 1 (CALM) This stage will last a few days. You are mostly recovered from the mental marathon of the exam and post-exam emotional roller coaster. The full weight of what has just happened hasn’t really set in and you are probably a bit relaxed thinking that the worst is over. Phase 2 (SECOND-GUESSING) will start to set in over the next few days. You will start to forget small (but important) pieces of the exam and forget how you answered the question, but will remember just enough so that you keep trying to re-calculate the answers in your head. You will slowly begin to convince yourself that you got it wrong. Phase 3 (WORRY) will follow within a few weeks. At this point, you've convinced yourself that you've missed a few problems, but you *should* still be ok. Phase 4 (DOUBT) After worrying for about a month (we're now within 2-3 weeks of results at this point), you'll jump into full blown doubt. You are now certain that you missed way too many questions to stand a chance at passing. Phase 5 (ANGER) Once you've lost hope of passing, you'll move into Phase 5 (anger) over the fact that it's taken way too damn long to grade a simple scantron and the guys at NCEES are morons for taking so long. I mean, really, 6-8 weeks to feed a scantron into a f*ing machine, COME ON!! Another source of anger stems from all of the "Not this shit again" and "Don't try to calc it because it's worthless" responses to all of your cut-score and release date posts. BTW, want a sanity check of why it takes so long to “just score a scantron”? look here: http://engineerboards.com/topic/29578-ncees-news-update/?page=8&tab=comments#comment-7463208 Phase 6 (RESULTS) Finally, you'll hit Phase 6 (results). Each person reacts differently at this point whether they passed or not, how many times they've taken it, financial implications, expectations, etc. Regardless of how the results come out, at this point you will find that the CAB of your choice is very welcomed to either celebrate or cry into. Then there are obsessive futile “exercises” waiting examinees engage in. These can happen anytime during phases 2, 3, 4, and 5. The order of the exercise is arbitrary Futile Exercise A (Trying to calculate the cut-score) you’ll start speculating on the cut score, as if it’s universal for all exams. Maybe discussing a question in a nebulous way and convincing yourself that it will get tossed (questions aren’t tossed). You start spouting conspiracy theories that there is a quota for maximum and minimum number of passers (there isn’t), or that NCESS wants you to fail to get more of your money (meh, not really). The cut score will vary from exam session to exam session and from one engineering discipline to another. The cut score is based on what the minimally competent PE would get for that selection of test problems. Yes, PEs and other SMEs take practice exams with those problems to establish a baseline. It’s futile to try to guess the “cut score”, and even if you could you don’t know your own score anyway, so it really doesn’t matter. Want a little more elaboration? Look here: http://engineerboards.com/topic/30365-the-wait-is-killing-me/?do=findComment&comment=7485676 Futile Exercise B (trying to figure out how to get results before they come out) You’ll start trying to figure out ways to learn of your results before they come out. This will include searching your state’s PE license lookup or another state website, spam calling and emailing NCEES or the state board, etc. First: Please be nice to your state board workers! You are taking this test to become a professional, so act like a professional. NCESS won’t tell you anything beyond “8-10 weeks” until after they released the results. The state boards won’t tell you much more and NCESS usually doesn’t share anything firm with them anyway. The boards will often get surprised with the results too. No state starts updating their license lookup prior to the initial release of results. So don’t bother searching there until at least one state has released first! Some states (Mass, NJ, and a couple others) have other websites like where you can divine a pass/fail, but it won’t happen until other states have already started releasing, and those states tend to release after everyone else too. Futile Exercise C (guessing the release date) This is another favorite pass time. You’ll start looking through old map threads to try to guess the release date. Maybe you’ll look at state board meetings dates and try to cross reference with the past results to figure out when’s this years’ will come out. Multiple posters look at the (lack of) data and come to a “conclusion” that a given date is “it”. The OG’s tell you that the wait will last a little bit longer, but group-think sets in and the vets get mocked for “trolling”. Things get even worse when the “sure thing” date passes without a release. No one can say with certainty when the results will be released this early after the exam. With that written, we have been following things for a while and we have an idea of when the release will generally happen. Fall results take longer than spring results because of the holidays and time available to schedule cut score meetings. The vets may not know the exact date ahead of time, but we generally know the signs and can confidently give a “no earlier than” date. This is not the same as a release date. We’ll also know when things are imminent. Still want to scratch the itch? @Duckdude actually took the time to make a spreadsheet of known release dates for all states for all exams sessions going back for over a decade. And he did it AFTER he got his results back. Great dedication and work on his part! You can browse it here if you are curious. Futile Exercise (reading the tea leaves) This is a variation on futile exercises B and C, but warrants its own category. You’ll start scrutinizing every NCEES tweet or facebook post, take screenshots and discuss minor tweaks to the dashboard layout, or get over excited when a state board has called an emergency meeting. You look for any clue or edge to see if you passed/failed or when the results may come out. Sometimes these signs are legit, often they’re not. The OG’s have been tracking things for years and know how to separate the signal from the noise. Futile Exercise E (harassing NCEES and state board employees) The title says it all, it's an aggravated version of futile exercise B. Don't be a d$%K and try to avoid this one. You aren't doing yourself any favors by acting unprofessional. Futile Exercise F5 (spam reloading the NCEES dashboard) During this phase you are continuously reloading the NCEES dashboard and/or refreshing your email. FWIW, we can confirm that sometimes the examinees' dashboard will update with the result prior to the NCESS email going out. The time difference is anywhere from no-delay to a couple hours. Go ahead and spam F5 the dashboard to blow off steam. Speaking of blowing off steam, trying the April 2019 spam thread: or any of the other game threads. So, how did the exam go last week?
  10. 10 points
    You will begin to despise Justin Stine more and more each time you login.
  11. 10 points
  12. 10 points
    I have some good and bad news friends. Bad news is that Vee is in it for a 4th time. But it’s ok. The good news is that I’m 2 weeks away from finishing my masters. And I have some even better news: I’m leaving the senate at the end of the month and I’ve accepted an amazing engineering job back in New England and start in January. I will be doing design work and it will be so wonderful to actually “study” at work simply by doing work. There’s too many good things happening to me right now to be upset about this exam. And I do think working as an engineer will help me a lot for attempt #4!! I’ll be focused, not trying to do a million things at once, and I’m going to be making so much more money!!
  13. 10 points
    In Milwaukee, there happened to be a "My Little Pony" convention at my hotel, down the street from the test location. At the lunch break between AM and PM sessions, I walked back to clear my head and eat lunch. Unfortunately, I walked into a techo-infused sh*t show consisting of grown men dressed in pony costumes/accessories partying way too hard for noon on a Friday. I literally cannot make this up. I was so drained from the AM session that I did not fully grasp the insanity of what I was subjected to until well after the entire exam was over.
  14. 10 points
    So this happened yesterday.
  15. 10 points
    Mini sap #3 is coming home tomorrow! 22 days in the NICU, one major surgery and a thousand bucks in gas to drive back and forth between hospital and home to see him and also stay in contact with my other two kids later, and he's finally going to sleep in his own crib for the first time tomorrow night.
  16. 9 points
    I passed Both Vertical and Lateral on my first TRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  17. 9 points
    @RBHeadge PE. Thank you for all you do for this forum. It just amazes me to see your influence here. I am sure a lot of people on this forum appreciate what you do. Once again thank you!
  18. 9 points
    Nevermind! MN is in and I passed! literally got the notification as I was leaving the work parking lot.
  19. 9 points
    I just got an email stating NOTIFICATION, but it was from my dermatologist.
  20. 9 points
    Plot Twist: RB is actually Justin Stine. JK.
  21. 9 points
    None of the vets trust the extrapolation. Full stop. The extrapolations tend to run low, lower than historic trends. The low extrapolated cut scores only match the observationally derived cut score when the number of high 'failed' data points=1. We don't know how Texas determines the cut score. What's the equation? Is there an equation? When you think about it, it can't be fully linear. Any assumptions about the equation could easily be off by a few problems in either directions. Reminder: each exam has a different cut score. It will vary by discipline, session, and afternoon session. No. After the test, many brave souls who failed will list their failing score and the exam they took. Often there are enough reported scores in the same exam that we can observe a threshold score for a few exams. It's usually around 53-55. But we've seen 52, 56, 57. The response rate hasn't been good the last few sessions. So people fill in the blanks with the n=1 sample size and use a best fit curve with Texas passing scores to arrive at cut scores like 45-51. With enough rum, I might be willing to believe 50 or 51. However my liver would disintegrate before I'd believe a cut score in the 40s. The essay below is using a generalized "you" and not directed at any one person. And I'm not interested in debating semantics, or philosophy of professionalism, or engineering ethics, or 'special circumstances' in this high level essay. The simple fact of the matter is that the cut score doesn't really matter. When I was in your position, the vets would tell us that same thing. But we didn't believe it, we were too emotional, and lacked the right perspective and experience to understand. It would take a couple years before I truly understood why the cut score doesn't matter. The cut score is what it is. You've either demonstrated the minimum competency for license or you haven't. You are taking this test to be a professional,. People's lives may very well depend on how well you, your team, and your charges do your jobs. As a matter of public trust, people expect you to be a professional when you stamp your work. The bridge stays up, or it collapses. Ideally, you should have walked of out the exam room highly confident that you got at least 85%. The bridge stays up. But hey, I've been there too, twice. It's an evil f$%^ing test. Most people walk out feeling like they're in the ballpark of 65%-75%. And this is where the cut score and uncertainty starts to feel like it matters. The anxiety really builds up. This thread is titled "Welcome to the Suck" for a reason. However there's nothing you can do about it now. If you pass, great! The bridge stays up. if you fail, the bridge collapses. Resolve to do better, improve your study habits, and definitively kicks its ass in 6-12 months. However, if you are hanging your hat on the cut score being in the 40's or lower: sorry, but you don't deserve to be licensed at this time. The bridge collapses. The public needs to trust the profession; their lives depend on it. Like I wrote above, assess your strengths and weakness, improve your study habits, get more professional experience, and hit the books. Resolve to kick its ass in 6-12 months. If the state board approved you to take the test, then you have the ability to pass!
  22. 9 points
    Still says "PASS". Had to make sure it was real
  23. 9 points
    MY SISTER JUST HAD HER BABY I HAVE A NIECE 😭😭😭😭😭
  24. 9 points
    I always thought PE's were smart, then I became one.
  25. 9 points
  26. 9 points
    In New Hampshire too...so much for Lift Free or Die
  27. 9 points
    "Yeah can I get a double cheese burger and if possible a copy of the receipt for that hipster table over there? Thanks!"
  28. 9 points
    I passed!!!! This was my third try and I was pretty discouraged after the first two attempts. Seeing that green PASS makes it all worth it! Almost two years of my life devoted to studying for these tests...
  29. 9 points
  30. 9 points
    OH MY GOSH I PASSED! Third time's the charm!!!
  31. 9 points
    The boys asked for the usual Xbox/iTunes/DS game stuff this year for Christmas. Instead they got.... Now just waiting for warmer weather.
  32. 9 points
    just remember that with all the $ spent by PE wannabees, college, work, time away from their life, $ spent by NCEES, $ spent on expensive test prep materials, etc, one thing remains true: You can be a PE and still be a dumbass...
  33. 9 points
  34. 9 points
    snickette arrived saturday morning just under a week early. 5#13oz of fun
  35. 8 points
    I can’t wait to troll like other members trolled me the last 3 times I took the exam (finally passed in fall 2018). Lol.
  36. 8 points
    Dear NCEES, Roses are red, violets aren’t blue It’s amazing the pain that you put me through I pay for your test, I studied so hard “Unacceptable” you say! My psyche is scarred. But surely, I think, the next time’s the charm? Learn from my mistakes, ok what’s the harm? With each failed attempt, it’s less likely I’ll pass The tears I have shed, ‘twould surprise you, their mass. I did what I could, bought your practice exam. “Accurate practice”…we both know it’s a sham. But oh well what’s the point, I’ll pay you again. Each consecutive fail like a kick to the shin. Don’t worry some say, this is what’s life’s like! You fall, stand up tall, and get back on the bike. But this is quite different, I sardonically say These graders—with my emotions they play They trick me and fool me in every way What did I do wrong? No one can tell Frustration so strong, it could make me yell. But my dear friends that’s the end of this rhyme Sorry that reading it took so much time. NCEES there’s still time, for us to be friends A simple, succinct and fair way to make amends. In April when you see my dear test Just put “acceptable”, let’s agree, it’d be best.
  37. 8 points
  38. 8 points
    @NJmike PE, @leggo PE, It's as they say...
  39. 8 points
    Tractor Update: Finally got a little bit of decent weather to support cleaning, blasting, and painting. We had two nice days last week before the weather turned back to crap so we shifted the schedule for blasting and painting. The plan was to have it on shiny new wheels and tires when it came out of paint but it didn't work out that way. Had to put it back on the old wheels to make room in the booth for other parts and the Mustang which is nearing paint-ready status as well. Moved it to the latest location by hand. The next time it moves should be under its own power.
  40. 8 points
    So little J decided to show up early to the party. Born at 24 weeks gestation on January 24, 2018. weighing 1 lb 13 oz. Been a rough few weeks but he's fighting his way through every obstacle so far. Hoping to get home from the NICU in May. I think he's going to focus on Aerospace but we're still deciding lol.
  41. 8 points
  42. 8 points
    You're assuming the symbol with one boot is equal to half of the symbol of two boots. That's a dangerous assumption to make,since there was no definition of the one boot symbol and no operation defined to convert these symbols. IMO you can just as easily assume any value for one boot and thus there are an infinite number of solutions. In the real world,this is sloppy problem and a careful engineer would have to do more research before making a conclusion.
  43. 8 points
    Alabama's out. I PASSED! 3rd times a charm thanks to EET!
  44. 8 points
    Just make sure you click on the eb.com Amazon link to order your squatty potty
  45. 7 points
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  47. 7 points
    I do the bulk of my Christmas shopping in the "as seen on TV" aisle in Rite-Aid.
  48. 7 points
    Ouch! Getting the survey already!? Not a good sign unfortunately.
  49. 7 points
    In my defense; I forgot to make picks this week ... but I did get married. So at least I remembered to do that.
  50. 7 points
    Everyone wanted to skip school and take a ride in it. C'mon Cameron...


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