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  1. 12 points
    Best of luck on your exams today! I turned off posting ability for new "members" through the weekend, well be back up Monday afternoon after you have forgotten the test questions- Please do not post anything that resembles an exam question here - Level of "safe" posts: Safe- "Wow that test was hard, should have bought Road Guys Study manual" Less safe - "Geesh there were lots of water questions on there" Danger Area - "Did anyone get the answer to the HCM question where there were values for ADT, Shoulder Width, but not for Speed Design?" NCEES will subpoena your account and kill you level - " Two trains leave the station at exactly 4:00 PM, EST, Train A, is Red and is carrying 1000 passengers and is travelling at a rate of speed of 100 KM/H while Train B is blue, only carrying 500 Ford Ranger Pickup Trucks, each with 2 gallons of gasoline, is travelling at a rate of speed of 80 MPH. Which train will reach San Diego in time to have their test results invalidated?
  2. 10 points
    I got the news I passed today! Holy relief.
  3. 9 points
    Welcome to the post April 2019 PE post-exam wait period. Did you think that studying for the exam and taking the exam was the hard part? Well you were wrong! Waiting for the exam results is the worst part of this whole process. A few years ago @Dexman PE PMP wrote a famous post ( http://engineerboards.com/topic/21356-feel-good-about-how-you-did-on-the-exam/ ) outlining the stages of the post-exam emotional roller-coaster. I’ve reproduced his immortal words (italics) and added a few new insights and advice below. Phase 0 (Emotional Hangover) This happens immediately after the conclusion of the exam. You spend the next few days bouncing between phases 1-5, either individually or at the same time. You are Heisenberg's test result, simultaneously convinced that you passed and failed at the same time. You'll find yourself suddenly with a lot of free time and no idea what to spend it on (pro tip: spam thread here, spend time with family and friends, or burn off the stress at the gym). You'll be looking at which PE stamps to order, and which PE study classes to take for the next exam. After a few days your brain will slow down and you settle into... Phase 1 (CALM) This stage will last a few days. You are mostly recovered from the mental marathon of the exam and post-exam emotional roller coaster. The full weight of what has just happened hasn’t really set in and you are probably a bit relaxed thinking that the worst is over. Phase 2 (SECOND-GUESSING) will start to set in over the next few days. You will start to forget small (but important) pieces of the exam and forget how you answered the question, but will remember just enough so that you keep trying to re-calculate the answers in your head. You will slowly begin to convince yourself that you got it wrong. Phase 3 (WORRY) will follow within a few weeks. At this point, you've convinced yourself that you've missed a few problems, but you *should* still be ok. Phase 4 (DOUBT) After worrying for about a month (we're now within 2-3 weeks of results at this point), you'll jump into full blown doubt. You are now certain that you missed way too many questions to stand a chance at passing. Phase 5 (ANGER) Once you've lost hope of passing, you'll move into Phase 5 (anger) over the fact that it's taken way too damn long to grade a simple scantron and the guys at NCEES are morons for taking so long. I mean, really, 6-8 weeks to feed a scantron into a f*ing machine, COME ON!! Another source of anger stems from all of the "Not this shit again" and "Don't try to calc it because it's worthless" responses to all of your cut-score and release date posts. BTW, want a sanity check of why it takes so long to “just score a scantron”? look here: http://engineerboards.com/topic/29578-ncees-news-update/?page=8&tab=comments#comment-7463208 Phase 6 (RESULTS) Finally, you'll hit Phase 6 (results). Each person reacts differently at this point whether they passed or not, how many times they've taken it, financial implications, expectations, etc. Regardless of how the results come out, at this point you will find that the CAB of your choice is very welcomed to either celebrate or cry into. Then there are obsessive futile “exercises” waiting examinees engage in. These can happen anytime during phases 2, 3, 4, and 5. The order of the exercise is arbitrary Futile Exercise A (Trying to calculate the cut-score) you’ll start speculating on the cut score, as if it’s universal for all exams. Maybe discussing a question in a nebulous way and convincing yourself that it will get tossed (questions aren’t tossed). You start spouting conspiracy theories that there is a quota for maximum and minimum number of passers (there isn’t), or that NCESS wants you to fail to get more of your money (meh, not really). The cut score will vary from exam session to exam session and from one engineering discipline to another. The cut score is based on what the minimally competent PE would get for that selection of test problems. Yes, PEs and other SMEs take practice exams with those problems to establish a baseline. It’s futile to try to guess the “cut score”, and even if you could you don’t know your own score anyway, so it really doesn’t matter. Want a little more elaboration? Look here: http://engineerboards.com/topic/30365-the-wait-is-killing-me/?do=findComment&comment=7485676 Futile Exercise B (trying to figure out how to get results before they come out) You’ll start trying to figure out ways to learn of your results before they come out. This will include searching your state’s PE license lookup or another state website, spam calling and emailing NCEES or the state board, etc. First: Please be nice to your state board workers! You are taking this test to become a professional, so act like a professional. NCESS won’t tell you anything beyond “8-10 weeks” until after they released the results. The state boards won’t tell you much more and NCESS usually doesn’t share anything firm with them anyway. The boards will often get surprised with the results too. No state starts updating their license lookup prior to the initial release of results. So don’t bother searching there until at least one state has released first! Some states (Mass, NJ, and a couple others) have other websites like where you can divine a pass/fail, but it won’t happen until other states have already started releasing, and those states tend to release after everyone else too. Futile Exercise C (guessing the release date) This is another favorite pass time. You’ll start looking through old map threads to try to guess the release date. Maybe you’ll look at state board meetings dates and try to cross reference with the past results to figure out when’s this years’ will come out. Multiple posters look at the (lack of) data and come to a “conclusion” that a given date is “it”. The OG’s tell you that the wait will last a little bit longer, but group-think sets in and the vets get mocked for “trolling”. Things get even worse when the “sure thing” date passes without a release. No one can say with certainty when the results will be released this early after the exam. With that written, we have been following things for a while and we have an idea of when the release will generally happen. Fall results take longer than spring results because of the holidays and time available to schedule cut score meetings. The vets may not know the exact date ahead of time, but we generally know the signs and can confidently give a “no earlier than” date. This is not the same as a release date. We’ll also know when things are imminent. Still want to scratch the itch? @Duckdude actually took the time to make a spreadsheet of known release dates for all states for all exams sessions going back for over a decade. And he did it AFTER he got his results back. Great dedication and work on his part! You can browse it here if you are curious. Futile Exercise (reading the tea leaves) This is a variation on futile exercises B and C, but warrants its own category. You’ll start scrutinizing every NCEES tweet or facebook post, take screenshots and discuss minor tweaks to the dashboard layout, or get over excited when a state board has called an emergency meeting. You look for any clue or edge to see if you passed/failed or when the results may come out. Sometimes these signs are legit, often they’re not. The OG’s have been tracking things for years and know how to separate the signal from the noise. Futile Exercise E (harassing NCEES and state board employees) The title says it all, it's an aggravated version of futile exercise B. Don't be a d$%K and try to avoid this one. You aren't doing yourself any favors by acting unprofessional. Futile Exercise F5 (spam reloading the NCEES dashboard) During this phase you are continuously reloading the NCEES dashboard and/or refreshing your email. FWIW, we can confirm that sometimes the examinees' dashboard will update with the result prior to the NCESS email going out. The time difference is anywhere from no-delay to a couple hours. Go ahead and spam F5 the dashboard to blow off steam. Speaking of blowing off steam, trying the April 2019 spam thread: or any of the other game threads. So, how did the exam go last week?
  4. 9 points
    You will begin to despise Justin Stine more and more each time you login.
  5. 9 points
    So mini MS1 got a bass guitar for his birthday (December) and has been taking lessons at School of Rock since early January. After only a few months, he's pretty legit. At his age and level, they're learning somewhat simplified versions of popular rock songs (Highway to Hell, Seven Nation Army, Zombie, etc...), but not much music theory, unfortunately, or how to "read" notes (note lettering shown on the tabs). After being aggravating for a while, the wifey-wife got the owner to modify his course a little bit to include that info so these kids can be more well-rounded musicians. Anywho, after going to their first "concert" last month and hearing how good the music was (well, MS1 and the drummer), I wanted to try it. I always wanted to play banjo (love that sweet sweet bluegrass), but my fat fingers didn't hit the strings very well so my fretting was poor. Now the bass only has four strings, they're BIG, and spaced far enough apart for my sausage fingers... AND MS1 is learning music I was obsessed with back in the day. So now I'm picking it up, practicing his music, and getting into learning the non-simplified / real versions of his songs plus others he won't be learning. This sh*t is f-u-n, FUN. And I can now play a six song set (bass only) - Zombie, Feel Good inc., Highway to Hell, Folsom Prison Blues, Island in the Sun, and Say it Ain't So. The best part is the wifey-wife also likes this music, so when I'm playing and you can hear it through the whole house, she... doesn't... complain... Evidently, SOR has adult performance classes, too. Don't think I have time for that, but sh*t that'd be awesome. * just wanted to use this gif again *
  6. 9 points
    For all the lurkers out there: if you think it's bad now, it'll be so, so, so much worse a few days out from the exam. And the true hell begins a month after the exam!
  7. 8 points
    I can’t wait to troll like other members trolled me the last 3 times I took the exam (finally passed in fall 2018). Lol.
  8. 8 points
  9. 7 points
    PAAAAASED SURVEY! Yaha!!! So happy. Now back to re-studying seismic 😐
  10. 6 points
    I, like most of us, have taken literally hundreds upon hundreds of tests. I’ve taken AP exams, Journeyman licensing tests, college finals, the FE and even personality tests (haha!) and none have had such a visceral effect as that cruel devil last Friday. Lord, may the mercy of your light open a path to a reality where I don’t have to do that again......
  11. 6 points
    @txjennah PE I think it went well? I definitely liked the CBT format better than open book. It helped me study smarter and not spend so much time tabbing for things and instead learn and understand the content from just the manual alone. I had about a dozen "flagged" questions in both the morning and afternoon after I took my first pass through. Hoping that I got at least a few of the ones right. If I passed it wasn't with flying colors, but I definitely left feeling a lot better than I did in October. Just hoping it was enough this time!
  12. 6 points
    what do you all think the cut score will be?
  13. 6 points
    I'll take a taco party over a lemon party any day!
  14. 6 points
  15. 5 points
  16. 5 points
    Despite knowing the results are not posted yet, I couldn't help myself logging into MyNCEES today. This wait time blows.
  17. 5 points
  18. 5 points
    Well its all over but the crying now! Still less than 24 hours after completion but need to shout out to the community for the repository of knowledge that the boards offer. Thanks to everyone who contributes to the success of us as hopeful PEs!
  19. 5 points
    Took the 2016 NCEES exam in a simulated test environment, and I passed. Going to do the Slay the PE Practice Exam this weekend and see how I do.
  20. 5 points
    They are probably monitoring this thread and tortuing us. LOL. There is no history of a Friday release. Maybe it'll be today!
  21. 5 points
    Yes, I verified that is what actually happens.
  22. 4 points
    MY TIMELINE: 3/18 Passed last Required exam 3/29 License Number was issued 3/31 my name appeared on DCA website 4/12 received my temporary paper pocket ID 4/20 received my paper wall certificate 4/22 received my congratulation e-mail
  23. 4 points
    First post as a supporting member. SPAM
  24. 4 points
    Thank you all for the kind words! I’m so happy to have this chapter over, I literally felt a weight lift off my shoulders to see “Pass” in bright green on my computer screen. I’m going to give quite a bit of info on my journey to passing, in hopes that these tips will help you all pass too! I want to start by saying that this wasn’t my first attempt. I took the pencil/paper PE in October, the last time it would ever be offered. I felt like it was now or never – if open book wasn’t an option anymore there’s no way I would ever pass! I NEEDED to pass before the exam changed to CBT. I’m going to detail both attempts, so if you just want to know about the CBT exam, skip to “Take 2” Take 1: I started studying for the October 2018 exam in May. The first time opening a book to review problems I almost threw up. In my head: “What is °R?! Did I learn that in school?? Do I seriously need to Google something about the first problem I’m looking at? OHHH Rankine! I completely forgot that was a measurement of temperature.. What’s the conversion? Is Rankine USCS or SI units?” My head was sure to explode. I felt I had forgotten everything I learned from college. I knew after that moment that I was going to need a refresher course – but which one to take? Per the recommendation of a friend I chose School of PE. School of PE guarantees that you pass the exam using their course, and if you don’t pass (and watched every minute of all the videos) you can retake the course again, free of charge. I knew my office would reimburse me for the online class once I passed so this seemed like a no-brainer to me. I did the On Demand option so I could have the flexibility to do the review course on my schedule. I didn’t love lectures in college so trying to do them at home was no easy feat. I started studying on the couch but realized I wasn’t paying enough attention and ended up moving to the dining room to free myself of home distractions. Even working in the quiet dining room I felt the review was tedious at times, I found myself scrolling through my phone during boring parts of the review and not paying full attention on the key concepts. I was determined to get through all of the lectures to ensure that I could retake the course if I didn’t pass, but I blew through it as fast as I could so that I could start working on problems. I had bought the PPI package that contained practice problem booklets, an NCEES practice exam, 2 PPI practice exams, and a Casio calculator. A lot of the problems offered through PPI seemed really complicated and I didn’t feel confident they were similar to the NCEES exam. The PPI Practice exams, however, I felt were similar to what I had seen in the NCEES practice tests, so I mostly used the practice exams for studying. I was worried about my timing per problem because I was never a fast test taker in college, so most of my studying consisted of taking 4 hour practice exams, grading them, and reviewing what I got wrong. I think the first practice exam I took I got a 35% or so, which really scared me. However, I would always score better on my next exam which made me feel more confident. I didn’t take the time to re-review the problems later on, so I think a lot of times I would see the solution for the problem, say “okay I know how to do that now,” and then I’d forget the knowledge the next day because I didn’t take the time to practice it enough. I over-tabbed EVERYTHING to prepare for exam day. I wanted to be able to find the information I needed as fast as I could. I even created index sheets to show where I could find a specific problems I had practiced so that I could easily just “plug and chug” based on how the practice problem was. I feel I spent wayyyyy too much time doing this. I wasn’t really learning the material, I was just going through the motions and creating references to find things easily so that the book could do the work for me. During the October exam I brought in dozens of binders/books during exam day and I may have used 3. I searched and searched and SEARCHED through material, panicking the whole way. My first pass through I think I had over half the problems left blank. I walked away from the morning session and cried in the car. It wasn’t pretty. My confidence was low, but I was also determined. I went back in, took a deep breath, and felt I finished the afternoon as strong as I could. The waiting game sucked for the results, but my gut told me I didn’t pass so I wasn’t in a huge rush. Inevitably, I didn’t end up passing and although I wasn’t surprised, I was still absolutely crushed. Studying for that long sucks the life out of you, and to know I had to jump back in was devastating. I wanted my life back! I signed up for the CBT exam the same day I got my failing results. I was determined to get this over with as fast as possible. I notified School of PE that I failed and got my course renewed. Take 2: I started back on studying after the holidays were over. The first thing I did was all of the School of PE practice problems that the instructors provided that I didn’t do from the last time. This was a good refresher for all the different kinds of problems I could come across. All of my studying was done in the dining room with the door shut and my cellphone was in another room. I was not going to be distracted by texts/social media anymore. I purchased the updated NCEES practice exam which was to reflect CBT questions. I was very frustrated to see that the majority of the problems on this practice exam were exactly what were on the last practice exam I purchased, with the exception of about 5 problems. Nonetheless, I made the best of it and practiced these problems until the methods for solving were basically engrained into my head. I used only the NCEES Reference Handbook for studying. I made sure I knew where to find equations and what words I had to use to “CTRL-F” to get to the answers. For example, you can’t type “hydraulic elements” to get to the chart, you need to type “hydraulic-elements”. I took notes on what kind of conversion factors and equations weren’t found in the handbook and made sure I learned them by heart. Some examples: 2.31 ft/psi, ideal gas laws using Cppm, equivalent sound pressure level equations, etc. I also purchased the PPI practice exams that were updated to reflect CBT format (https://ppi2pass.com/pe-environmental-practice-exams-peenpx.html). There are 2 full exams provided in this booklet. I ran these as 4 hour practice exams once again, and reviewed all the material I got wrong. I was able to complete these practice exams within 4 hours using only the NCEES Handbook and my scores were much better – I think the first one I took I got a 75%. My confidence was up, and I was feeling really good. I slowly started to realize that CBT might work to my advantage, because instead of tirelessly searching through reference materials to get to an answer, I only had one handbook to work from. I got to the equations much quicker so I could solve the problems faster. With that being said, the handbook is rarely helpful for qualitative questions. Qualitative questions are ones that apparently we’re just supposed to know the answer to. But again, instead of spending 25 minutes searching to find an answer, it was forcing me to make my best guess, saving me time to work on the problems I could solve using the manual. One of the practice exams I ran I used a dry erase board to simulate similar conditions to the testing environment. I got a terrible headache and hated every second, but I’m glad I tried it out like that. You will be provided a laminate booklet with I think 5 pages front and back and a fine tip dry erase marker that doesn’t smudge too bad. I was very worried this was going to be a struggle but it wasn’t nearly as bad as I anticipated. The day of the exam I finished both parts in less than 4 hours and felt I had plenty of time to focus on each problem. I felt the questions were very straightforward as long as you knew exactly what they were asking. They definitely still had trick questions and similar answers were options so it was important for me to take the time to make sure I was answering the question correctly. There were still a lot of qualitative questions which I was upset about, I’m definitely better at the math than the theory behind it, but a couple of the questions were very easy and obvious which was nice! I left the first 4 hours feeling like I could conquer the world. I ate my lunch, went for a walk, took a few deep breaths, and went back in to crush the second half. The second half I started strong but after a while (as expected) my head hurt from staring at the computer and my back was sore from sitting in the chair. I managed to finish out somewhat strong but I was mentally exhausted when it was all over. Everyone thinks it sounds so nice to only wait 7-10 days for the results, but to me I found it to be a worse torture because I never got the chance to forget about the exam. When I had to wait 10 weeks I left all my worries at the door because I knew I wouldn’t have them for a long time. I was second guessing myself and the answers I came up with. I was googling ones I struggled on. I wasn’t sleeping and I was refreshing the website every day. Overall I’m glad I only had to wait for a week, but just know it’s not as nice as it sounds, haha. I ended up getting my results 7 business days after taking the exam. From what I’ve researched it seems like NCEES only releases results on Wednesday mornings. I think that’s all the information I have. I apologize that I rambled so much haha. I wish you all the best of luck both studying and during the exam. If you have any questions at all please do not hesitate to reach out, I’d be happy to help in any way that I can.
  25. 4 points
  26. 4 points
    Passed both. Thankfully on First attempt. Used EET for seismic and Reza for surveying. No review class. Self study with workbooks. For anyone taking/retaking these, my advice would be focusing on attempting to make 45 questions correct in 2:15 hrs. The rest you can just guess. Remember, you need only 35-40 to pass. Do several round to identify the questions that "WORTH" trying. For surveying, try to prepare/answer THEORY questions. I found at least 15 questions were theory question which you can answer each in 15-30 seconds if you know the material. So, don't ignore those portion when preparing for the exam.
  27. 4 points
  28. 4 points
    PASSED SURVEY!!! 😭😭😭. Congrats to all the people who passed. For those who did not pass. Don't get discouraged. Keep studying hard. If you put in the effort you will succeed!!
  29. 4 points
    I had my first dream about this test last night... It was take home, the kids wouldn't leave me alone, I had 1 reference that wasn't even in my discipline and I forgot everything I had studied. I woke up sweating. Just thought I'd share. Happy studying! Only 8ish more days!
  30. 4 points
  31. 4 points
    As a millenial, ive spent my entire retirement on avocado toast.
  32. 4 points
    Did someone say Wendy’s?
  33. 4 points
    Woot woot spam thread! I'm gonna be ~that person~ and say it's my first time spamming in this thread without the exam looming over me! It's a nice feeling
  34. 4 points
    To truly understand NCEES, you must watch the dark knight rises. Remember when Bane finally defeats batman, and he expects a quick demise? Batman/SE exam test takers: why didn't...you just....kill me? Bane/NCEES: You don't fear death. You welcome it. Your punishment...must be more severe. Batman/SE exam takers: Torture? Bane/NCEES: Yes. But not of your body...of your soul. You will learn that there can be no despair without hope. I will give you hope...to poison your souls. To let you believe you can pass. And then, when it is done, and you receive your results...and everything you have worked for is ashes...THEN you have my permission to die. And THAT is why results take so long, and why you can never know what you missed in the afternoon to determine what to improve upon for next time.
  35. 4 points
    Hey all, doubt checking here is going to be important for anyone taking the SE today and tmmrw but just wanna say good luck to everyone taking the test!
  36. 4 points
    April 2019 test takers, you got this!! Good luck!!!
  37. 4 points
    If you don't have time to watch videos, perhaps you can do EET's problems and review selected topics/videos you don't understand. However, it's very IMPORTANT to watch mock exams and 1st Simulated Exam (8 hours) videos. I think those are gold mine in terms of Ahmed talked about tips and tricks of how to approach questions and how to spend time on problems etc. He also explained each and every problems and how the questions could be twisted to ask differently, and i thought it was a gold mine. Also, EET's additional 3 CBT exams are very valuable. The problems inside are very similar to exam questions. I noticed that some questions are even identical. I've never opened ASCE or IBC during exam but i brought the books into exam room just in case. The material EET provided was more than enough. I think problems from EET and Hiner should be enough for you to prepare for another round. You probably don't need the other books unless you feel like you need more.
  38. 4 points
    no roommates to share the financial burden? I can understand it being disheartening. I hear crime can be lucrative. Might be time for some side gigs.
  39. 4 points
    True about those graduate degrees, I have lots of people with graduate degrees that work for me But College just gives you the opportunity, it doesn't define success. But many people, even in engineering fields, believe that getting their degree was the 'achievement" in their career.. Its like STFU and get back to work already!
  40. 4 points
    LSU will win. ONLY because it will be our luck that after winning the whole shebang, the title will be taken away when the head coach's FBI investigation is complete.
  41. 4 points
    Results are out! I passed Seismic, my last hurdle!
  42. 4 points
    I f-ing love buffets. Also, in other news, this is why I'm fat.
  43. 4 points
    I don't want to discourage new test takers with any unnecessary fear mongering about references (or lack thereof). Regardless of whether you will take the new or old tests, if you diligently work a sufficient number of practice questions/exams and really internalize what's really going on with respect to theory, you'll see that it's really quite repetitive (speaking from a TFS standpoint, but I'm sure HVAC and MDM are probably the same, ask those weirdos ) and you'll pretty much memorize most forms of equations you'll ever need. I got to a point where I pretty much memorized steam table values and only looked things up as a sanity check. Remember, you're all very smart, beautiful, and capable, AND already working engineers. You can do it!
  44. 4 points
    Yowza...If anyone has been following my posts, I think I've said on no fewer than ten occasions I couldn't have survived without the Mollier diagram. This is just yet another reason people should just get the Mollier diagram tattooed on their forearms!
  45. 4 points
    Everyone still has two more tries in the pencil and paper!
  46. 4 points
    @squaretaper PE....aren't you glad we passed the PE when we did? Imagine taking this exam wihout the use of personal notes, references, books, etc. Look at the evaluation above for the guide that's offered for the TFS exam in particular. WDYT?
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  48. 4 points
    Yes, tables usually give a range and also a "design" value (See Appendix 17.A in page A-48 of MERM13. I'm not sure what the "PE Handbook" that you're referencing is, but in MERM13, the Moody Diagram of page 17-7 doesn't have a table). But anyway, you're right. Values are typically listed as ranges. So, what to do? Let's look at the problems in the Thermal and Fluid Systems practice exam from NCEES that use a friction factor or a friction head loss: Problem 126: They say "smooth pipe" but they also just give you the friction head, so no need to calculate the Darcy friction factor. Problem 133: You're asked to calculate the friction head loss, but you don't have enough info to use the Darcy equation. You find hf from the definition of NPSH. So no need to calculate the Darcy friction factor. Problem 505: The friction factor is given in the problem statement, so there's no need to calculate the Darcy friction factor. Problem 515: The friction loss is given, so there's no need to calculate the Darcy friction factor. Problem 519: The friction factor is given in the problem statement, so there's no need to calculate the Darcy friction factor. I notice a pattern. I suspect that most likely you won't need to calculate a friction factor with a Moody chart in the test. HOWEVER, if you do, I strongly suspect they will tell you exactly which roughness e to use because given the ambiguity in the ranges, you will not land on the correct multiple-choice answer unless you use their same roughness. Finally, if push comes to shove and you find yourself having to calculate a friction factor and they are not explicitly giving you a roughness in the problem statement then the safest bet is to use the "design" value from Appendix 17.A
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  50. 4 points
    me when my new job asks me to do something i actually know how to do because i did it 1000000 times at my old job:
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