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  1. 19 points
    I finally passed! Congratulations to those of you who passed, and a big hug for those who haven't.
  2. 15 points
    North Carolina is out. I'm 54 years old...out of school 26 years. Passed ME TFS the first time. 😀😀😀😉
  3. 15 points
    FINAL Since the question always comes up please consider including the times of release (in eastern) along with the state for future tracking purposes. PM me if you have any information on Alaska or North Dakota's release date.
  4. 14 points
    JUST TURNED IN MY PAPER AND FINISHED GRAD SCHOOL. WOOOOOOOO
  5. 14 points
    Your welcome! I'm glad I could help makes things a little less worse for everyone. I'd also like to thank the other vets for their help and guidance both this session and in the past. I would encourage everyone to stick around and help the next group, or just stick around in general, we're a fun group.
  6. 13 points
    Just got word from NCEES....by some miracle I passed!
  7. 13 points
    For the love of all things sacred...let’s not hound their chat. They’re going to say the same thing, until the results are actually released. We’re supposedly professionals. Making immature jokes behind closed doors (or in a forum) is perfectly acceptable, but continually hounding the testing agency that has no control over when state boards approve results is college level stuff.
  8. 12 points
    Ok, since you asked for it... This is my contribution from the discussion weeks ago regarding that poor schmuck who unknowingly bears the wrath of all of us compulsively checking and cursing his scapegoat existence. Getting delirious.
  9. 12 points
    I got the news I passed today! Holy relief.
  10. 12 points
    Best of luck on your exams today! I turned off posting ability for new "members" through the weekend, well be back up Monday afternoon after you have forgotten the test questions- Please do not post anything that resembles an exam question here - Level of "safe" posts: Safe- "Wow that test was hard, should have bought Road Guys Study manual" Less safe - "Geesh there were lots of water questions on there" Danger Area - "Did anyone get the answer to the HCM question where there were values for ADT, Shoulder Width, but not for Speed Design?" NCEES will subpoena your account and kill you level - " Two trains leave the station at exactly 4:00 PM, EST, Train A, is Red and is carrying 1000 passengers and is travelling at a rate of speed of 100 KM/H while Train B is blue, only carrying 500 Ford Ranger Pickup Trucks, each with 2 gallons of gasoline, is travelling at a rate of speed of 80 MPH. Which train will reach San Diego in time to have their test results invalidated?
  11. 11 points
    If it makes you feel any better, I've taken the exam 4 times and finally passed this time. My score breakdown for the previous exams are: Civil: Geotech: October 2017: 47/80 (AM: 27, PM: 20) April 2018: 46/80 (AM: 21, PM: 25) October 2018: 45/80 (AM: 25, PM: 20) Don't get discouraged (easier said than done, I know) but keep on going. Don't quit, just keep taking it until you pass!
  12. 11 points
    I would like to congratulate everyone that passed, cheers to you guys!! And those who were not fortunate enough this time.....Please, retake the test. I am a second time taker I scored 45/80 October 2018 and passed this April. You guys can do it......... I feel for you and strongly encourage you to retake it... Thank you to the great admins and people who are serving the engineering community with this great forum.....You guys are the best...
  13. 11 points
    My husband was with me when I got the results, and I kept asking, "YOU SEE A GREEN BOX, RIGHT? LIKE IT'S ACTUALLY GREEN?"
  14. 10 points
    Welcome to the post April 2019 PE post-exam wait period. Did you think that studying for the exam and taking the exam was the hard part? Well you were wrong! Waiting for the exam results is the worst part of this whole process. A few years ago @Dexman PE PMP wrote a famous post ( http://engineerboards.com/topic/21356-feel-good-about-how-you-did-on-the-exam/ ) outlining the stages of the post-exam emotional roller-coaster. I’ve reproduced his immortal words (italics) and added a few new insights and advice below. Phase 0 (Emotional Hangover) This happens immediately after the conclusion of the exam. You spend the next few days bouncing between phases 1-5, either individually or at the same time. You are Heisenberg's test result, simultaneously convinced that you passed and failed at the same time. You'll find yourself suddenly with a lot of free time and no idea what to spend it on (pro tip: spam thread here, spend time with family and friends, or burn off the stress at the gym). You'll be looking at which PE stamps to order, and which PE study classes to take for the next exam. After a few days your brain will slow down and you settle into... Phase 1 (CALM) This stage will last a few days. You are mostly recovered from the mental marathon of the exam and post-exam emotional roller coaster. The full weight of what has just happened hasn’t really set in and you are probably a bit relaxed thinking that the worst is over. Phase 2 (SECOND-GUESSING) will start to set in over the next few days. You will start to forget small (but important) pieces of the exam and forget how you answered the question, but will remember just enough so that you keep trying to re-calculate the answers in your head. You will slowly begin to convince yourself that you got it wrong. Phase 3 (WORRY) will follow within a few weeks. At this point, you've convinced yourself that you've missed a few problems, but you *should* still be ok. Phase 4 (DOUBT) After worrying for about a month (we're now within 2-3 weeks of results at this point), you'll jump into full blown doubt. You are now certain that you missed way too many questions to stand a chance at passing. Phase 5 (ANGER) Once you've lost hope of passing, you'll move into Phase 5 (anger) over the fact that it's taken way too damn long to grade a simple scantron and the guys at NCEES are morons for taking so long. I mean, really, 6-8 weeks to feed a scantron into a f*ing machine, COME ON!! Another source of anger stems from all of the "Not this shit again" and "Don't try to calc it because it's worthless" responses to all of your cut-score and release date posts. BTW, want a sanity check of why it takes so long to “just score a scantron”? look here: http://engineerboards.com/topic/29578-ncees-news-update/?page=8&tab=comments#comment-7463208 Phase 6 (RESULTS) Finally, you'll hit Phase 6 (results). Each person reacts differently at this point whether they passed or not, how many times they've taken it, financial implications, expectations, etc. Regardless of how the results come out, at this point you will find that the CAB of your choice is very welcomed to either celebrate or cry into. Then there are obsessive futile “exercises” waiting examinees engage in. These can happen anytime during phases 2, 3, 4, and 5. The order of the exercise is arbitrary Futile Exercise A (Trying to calculate the cut-score) you’ll start speculating on the cut score, as if it’s universal for all exams. Maybe discussing a question in a nebulous way and convincing yourself that it will get tossed (questions aren’t tossed). You start spouting conspiracy theories that there is a quota for maximum and minimum number of passers (there isn’t), or that NCESS wants you to fail to get more of your money (meh, not really). The cut score will vary from exam session to exam session and from one engineering discipline to another. The cut score is based on what the minimally competent PE would get for that selection of test problems. Yes, PEs and other SMEs take practice exams with those problems to establish a baseline. It’s futile to try to guess the “cut score”, and even if you could you don’t know your own score anyway, so it really doesn’t matter. Want a little more elaboration? Look here: http://engineerboards.com/topic/30365-the-wait-is-killing-me/?do=findComment&comment=7485676 Futile Exercise B (trying to figure out how to get results before they come out) You’ll start trying to figure out ways to learn of your results before they come out. This will include searching your state’s PE license lookup or another state website, spam calling and emailing NCEES or the state board, etc. First: Please be nice to your state board workers! You are taking this test to become a professional, so act like a professional. NCESS won’t tell you anything beyond “8-10 weeks” until after they released the results. The state boards won’t tell you much more and NCESS usually doesn’t share anything firm with them anyway. The boards will often get surprised with the results too. No state starts updating their license lookup prior to the initial release of results. So don’t bother searching there until at least one state has released first! Some states (Mass, NJ, and a couple others) have other websites like where you can divine a pass/fail, but it won’t happen until other states have already started releasing, and those states tend to release after everyone else too. Futile Exercise C (guessing the release date) This is another favorite pass time. You’ll start looking through old map threads to try to guess the release date. Maybe you’ll look at state board meetings dates and try to cross reference with the past results to figure out when’s this years’ will come out. Multiple posters look at the (lack of) data and come to a “conclusion” that a given date is “it”. The OG’s tell you that the wait will last a little bit longer, but group-think sets in and the vets get mocked for “trolling”. Things get even worse when the “sure thing” date passes without a release. No one can say with certainty when the results will be released this early after the exam. With that written, we have been following things for a while and we have an idea of when the release will generally happen. Fall results take longer than spring results because of the holidays and time available to schedule cut score meetings. The vets may not know the exact date ahead of time, but we generally know the signs and can confidently give a “no earlier than” date. This is not the same as a release date. We’ll also know when things are imminent. Still want to scratch the itch? @Duckdude actually took the time to make a spreadsheet of known release dates for all states for all exams sessions going back for over a decade. And he did it AFTER he got his results back. Great dedication and work on his part! You can browse it here if you are curious. Futile Exercise (reading the tea leaves) This is a variation on futile exercises B and C, but warrants its own category. You’ll start scrutinizing every NCEES tweet or facebook post, take screenshots and discuss minor tweaks to the dashboard layout, or get over excited when a state board has called an emergency meeting. You look for any clue or edge to see if you passed/failed or when the results may come out. Sometimes these signs are legit, often they’re not. The OG’s have been tracking things for years and know how to separate the signal from the noise. Futile Exercise E (harassing NCEES and state board employees) The title says it all, it's an aggravated version of futile exercise B. Don't be a d$%K and try to avoid this one. You aren't doing yourself any favors by acting unprofessional. Futile Exercise F5 (spam reloading the NCEES dashboard) During this phase you are continuously reloading the NCEES dashboard and/or refreshing your email. FWIW, we can confirm that sometimes the examinees' dashboard will update with the result prior to the NCESS email going out. The time difference is anywhere from no-delay to a couple hours. Go ahead and spam F5 the dashboard to blow off steam. Speaking of blowing off steam, trying the April 2019 spam thread: or any of the other game threads. So, how did the exam go last week?
  15. 10 points
    What project number do I bill this week's engineerboard.com's time too?
  16. 10 points
    You will begin to despise Justin Stine more and more each time you login.
  17. 10 points
    At some point over the next month many of you will find out that you passed the PPE exam. Congratulations! Passing the PPE is a major accomplishment that takes 8+ years of work and sacrifice. I'm certain you'll be excited; you should celebrate! But first I need to tell you: DO NOT IMMEDIATELY ADD PE AFTER YOUR NAME! Wait until you are actually licensed. I am not trolling! I am not trying to take away your accomplishments! I am not trying to kill your buzz! I want to keep you out of trouble. Just because you passed the PPE exam does not mean that you are a professional engineer*. Only someone with a current PE license is a professional engineer and can use the postnominal “PE”. ** Every jurisdiction has laws and/or regulations governing who may offer their engineering services to the public. To claim that you are a professional engineer, when you lack a license is false representation. There are civil penalties associated with claiming to be a PE without a license, and it may prevent you from getting licensed in the future! The rules and enforcement vary from state to state. But it’s better to just wait until you officially have a license. So how long do you need to wait? It varies by state, and it can range from hours to months to officially get your license. It could be longer if you took the test before satisfying the experience requirement, but you probably knew that already. When is it official? It varies from state to state. But the consensus is that you are official when you find yourself in the state engineer license lookup with a current license. You will certainly be listed there before they send you an email or mailed envelope. Once it’s official, go ahead and add those letters after your name! What do I tell my boss, clients, colleagues in a big meeting, proposal, C.V., etc? You have to be ethical about this. You still can’t claim to be a PE until you are licensed, and you can’t imply that you can stamp things right now either. The easy and safe thing is to say that you passed the PPE (or PE exam), but are awaiting license from the state. Other PE’s will know that the hardest part is over, you’re basically in the club, but it’s just a formality of getting through the bureaucracy. However the subtlety may be lost on others, like clients and non-engineer bosses, so don’t leave people with the impression that you can stamp something currently in that jurisdiction. One other note about adding PE after your name. The physical address in your signature, business cards, etc should match where you are licensed to practice. This goes back to falsely representing yourself. If your business card says, for example, DC, but you are licensed only in Virginia, then you are falsely representing yourself as a licensed engineer in DC. If that same business card adds that you are only licensed in Virginia, then you are not falsely representing yourself. Of course if you have a license in both jurisdictions, then you are not falsely representing yourself. The same principle applies when trying to get business outside the state/jurisdiction of the license; you have to make it clear where you are actually licensed.Engineers get in trouble for this sort of thing all the time. So be careful. The NSPE website has dozens of ethics case studies on this sort of thing available for reading. tl;dr wait until you actually have a PE license before adding PE after your name *For simplicity I use the title professional engineer or PE in this thread, but depending on the state or jurisdiction, the term may be: engineer, licensed engineer, licensed professional engineer etc. For the purposes of this discussion, all terms are interchangeable. ** PE and P.E. are interchangeable. There is no legal difference. The use/non-use of periods are personal preference. Can a mod please sticky this.
  18. 10 points
    It's been fun, folks. From AC Slatering to treadmills to boobs on a plane... party on, EB.
  19. 10 points
    Dude, @RBHeadge PE, thank you so much for all that you've done this cycle! Seriously doubt that many of us would have kept our sanity if not for your efforts. Next time you're in Chicago, beer's on me! Thanks again! -Terry
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  22. 10 points
    I have some good and bad news friends. Bad news is that Vee is in it for a 4th time. But it’s ok. The good news is that I’m 2 weeks away from finishing my masters. And I have some even better news: I’m leaving the senate at the end of the month and I’ve accepted an amazing engineering job back in New England and start in January. I will be doing design work and it will be so wonderful to actually “study” at work simply by doing work. There’s too many good things happening to me right now to be upset about this exam. And I do think working as an engineer will help me a lot for attempt #4!! I’ll be focused, not trying to do a million things at once, and I’m going to be making so much more money!!
  23. 10 points
    Looks like the results will be delayed past January for sure. We were already down to 2 scantron machines and the good one broke today. And since examiniees don’t want to pay additional fees we don’t have the funds to replace it until next years budget.. If only we had all that money back we spent on those pencils:(
  24. 9 points
    This feels right, maybe a 52-53. There was a cliffside forming around 49-51 from the reported failures. WRE reported a 54 from a coworker, and I know some people want to dismiss it out-of-hand, but I don't really agree with that approach and I think the 54 should be considered. With that said, I really want to caution people about focusing on the cut scores. I can understand this as an academic exercise, or an attempt to get a Pyrrhic victory, but it can't mean anything more than that. The cut score doesn't matter; you can see my thesis here. If anything, knowing the cut score for last session's test could hurt you in the next attempt. The NCEES diagnostic already shows you your relative strengths and weakness by subject area. You can actually use that information that to help focus your studying for the next attempt. But, how would knowing this sessions cut score help you? I'm not asking rhetorically, I want to know why you think it will help? The cut score doesn't guide you on what subject to study. Perhaps you could to make the argument it provides guidance on the intensity of the studying for the next attempt? Okay great, except that if you got a 49 and you think that the cut score was only at 51, then you might not put as much effort into studying for the next exam as you should, maybe just a 'few' more hours than the last time. That's the wrong approach! The cut score changes with every exam in every session. You can't plan for the last war, you have to plan for the next one. You need to study for the next exam as if the cut score is 80/80, not low 50's. Planning for the low 50s is how you get to repeat this whole dreaded exercise yet another time. the "you" in the above isn't directed at anyone in particular.
  25. 9 points
    @RBHeadge PE. Thank you for all you do for this forum. It just amazes me to see your influence here. I am sure a lot of people on this forum appreciate what you do. Once again thank you!
  26. 9 points
    Nevermind! MN is in and I passed! literally got the notification as I was leaving the work parking lot.
  27. 9 points
  28. 9 points
    God damn Trump. All the Republican States are getting their results first. its one of those conspiracy things, huh.
  29. 9 points
    All, let's try and make @RBHeadge PE life a bit easier. In the past, some states are missed because of too much conversation in the map realease thread that RBHeadge puts together for us each year. Only post the state that you are reporting as "out" and the time/date. Hold discussions on "hoping [insert state] is coming soon" to other threads. Hold notifying of your passing/failing the exam, and also avoid congratulating others (congratulate them on other threads, or through PM, they deserve it!!!!)... it just adds unneeded traffic here. I realize that: by posting this I'm becoming part of the problem... and there is a lot going on with results coming out, and so many are very excited. but please keep this thread on point.
  30. 9 points
    I just got an email stating NOTIFICATION, but it was from my dermatologist.
  31. 9 points
    Plot Twist: RB is actually Justin Stine. JK.
  32. 9 points
    I wouldn't trust *that* Kim. If you change all the letters in "Kim" to their corresponding numbers you get 11, 9, and 13, which add up to 33. If you google the significance of the number 33, you get a connection to pretty much every single conspiracy, secret society, or major religious figure. If the government says there are no such things as aliens, you better believe there are aliens. If this "Kim" says results will not be out today, I'd bet they will be out today. +1 for my vote.
  33. 9 points
    None of the vets trust the extrapolation. Full stop. The extrapolations tend to run low, lower than historic trends. The low extrapolated cut scores only match the observationally derived cut score when the number of high 'failed' data points=1. We don't know how Texas determines the cut score. What's the equation? Is there an equation? When you think about it, it can't be fully linear. Any assumptions about the equation could easily be off by a few problems in either directions. Reminder: each exam has a different cut score. It will vary by discipline, session, and afternoon session. No. After the test, many brave souls who failed will list their failing score and the exam they took. Often there are enough reported scores in the same exam that we can observe a threshold score for a few exams. It's usually around 53-55. But we've seen 52, 56, 57. The response rate hasn't been good the last few sessions. So people fill in the blanks with the n=1 sample size and use a best fit curve with Texas passing scores to arrive at cut scores like 45-51. With enough rum, I might be willing to believe 50 or 51. However my liver would disintegrate before I'd believe a cut score in the 40s. The essay below is using a generalized "you" and not directed at any one person. And I'm not interested in debating semantics, or philosophy of professionalism, or engineering ethics, or 'special circumstances' in this high level essay. The simple fact of the matter is that the cut score doesn't really matter. When I was in your position, the vets would tell us that same thing. But we didn't believe it, we were too emotional, and lacked the right perspective and experience to understand. It would take a couple years before I truly understood why the cut score doesn't matter. The cut score is what it is. You've either demonstrated the minimum competency for license or you haven't. You are taking this test to be a professional,. People's lives may very well depend on how well you, your team, and your charges do your jobs. As a matter of public trust, people expect you to be a professional when you stamp your work. The bridge stays up, or it collapses. Ideally, you should have walked of out the exam room highly confident that you got at least 85%. The bridge stays up. But hey, I've been there too, twice. It's an evil f$%^ing test. Most people walk out feeling like they're in the ballpark of 65%-75%. And this is where the cut score and uncertainty starts to feel like it matters. The anxiety really builds up. This thread is titled "Welcome to the Suck" for a reason. However there's nothing you can do about it now. If you pass, great! The bridge stays up. if you fail, the bridge collapses. Resolve to do better, improve your study habits, and definitively kicks its ass in 6-12 months. However, if you are hanging your hat on the cut score being in the 40's or lower: sorry, but you don't deserve to be licensed at this time. The bridge collapses. The public needs to trust the profession; their lives depend on it. Like I wrote above, assess your strengths and weakness, improve your study habits, get more professional experience, and hit the books. Resolve to kick its ass in 6-12 months. If the state board approved you to take the test, then you have the ability to pass!
  34. 9 points
    So mini MS1 got a bass guitar for his birthday (December) and has been taking lessons at School of Rock since early January. After only a few months, he's pretty legit. At his age and level, they're learning somewhat simplified versions of popular rock songs (Highway to Hell, Seven Nation Army, Zombie, etc...), but not much music theory, unfortunately, or how to "read" notes (note lettering shown on the tabs). After being aggravating for a while, the wifey-wife got the owner to modify his course a little bit to include that info so these kids can be more well-rounded musicians. Anywho, after going to their first "concert" last month and hearing how good the music was (well, MS1 and the drummer), I wanted to try it. I always wanted to play banjo (love that sweet sweet bluegrass), but my fat fingers didn't hit the strings very well so my fretting was poor. Now the bass only has four strings, they're BIG, and spaced far enough apart for my sausage fingers... AND MS1 is learning music I was obsessed with back in the day. So now I'm picking it up, practicing his music, and getting into learning the non-simplified / real versions of his songs plus others he won't be learning. This sh*t is f-u-n, FUN. And I can now play a six song set (bass only) - Zombie, Feel Good inc., Highway to Hell, Folsom Prison Blues, Island in the Sun, and Say it Ain't So. The best part is the wifey-wife also likes this music, so when I'm playing and you can hear it through the whole house, she... doesn't... complain... Evidently, SOR has adult performance classes, too. Don't think I have time for that, but sh*t that'd be awesome. * just wanted to use this gif again *
  35. 9 points
    For all the lurkers out there: if you think it's bad now, it'll be so, so, so much worse a few days out from the exam. And the true hell begins a month after the exam!
  36. 9 points
    Still says "PASS". Had to make sure it was real
  37. 9 points
    Well, found out I finally passed the PE yesterday and Husband received a job offer this morning. THIS IS THE WORST WEEKEND TO HAVE FIELD WORK. "That's liiiiiiiiiiife" Happy Friday y'all! Looking forward to my weekend...next weekend
  38. 9 points
    “Hi, I’m Sarah McLachlan, will you be an angel for a helpless engineer? Every day, innocent engineers are mentally abused and neglected, and they’re crying out for help. Please, NCEES, a few keystrokes could save a life. For just one exam release from October, you’ll help rescue engineers from themselves, and provide resolution, confidence, and love. Call or join online in the next thirty minutes and you’ll receive this welcome kit with the photo of an enginner pressing F5 right now. One has been given a second chance. Thanks to you. Right now There’s an engineer who needs you. Your call says ‘I’m here to help.’ Please call right now.”
  39. 9 points
    MY SISTER JUST HAD HER BABY I HAVE A NIECE 😭😭😭😭😭
  40. 8 points
    We just gave NCEES the okay to release Florida results. So keep an eye out. Congrats to the 250 who passed the April exam! It will take two to three weeks for the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation to input the results and for us to double-check everything, then DBPR will generate PE numbers. Watch your account at myfloridalicense.com for your PE number to appear (hopefully by Memorial Day).
  41. 8 points
    HIV Test results = 20mins Pregnancy Test result- 5mins P.E Test - Forever and a day. With all the technology in the world, Engineers of America have to wait 30plus days for the results of a test. Aint that ironic.
  42. 8 points
    YEA BABY!!!
  43. 8 points
    Thank you all for the kind words! I’m so happy to have this chapter over, I literally felt a weight lift off my shoulders to see “Pass” in bright green on my computer screen. I’m going to give quite a bit of info on my journey to passing, in hopes that these tips will help you all pass too! I want to start by saying that this wasn’t my first attempt. I took the pencil/paper PE in October, the last time it would ever be offered. I felt like it was now or never – if open book wasn’t an option anymore there’s no way I would ever pass! I NEEDED to pass before the exam changed to CBT. I’m going to detail both attempts, so if you just want to know about the CBT exam, skip to “Take 2” Take 1: I started studying for the October 2018 exam in May. The first time opening a book to review problems I almost threw up. In my head: “What is °R?! Did I learn that in school?? Do I seriously need to Google something about the first problem I’m looking at? OHHH Rankine! I completely forgot that was a measurement of temperature.. What’s the conversion? Is Rankine USCS or SI units?” My head was sure to explode. I felt I had forgotten everything I learned from college. I knew after that moment that I was going to need a refresher course – but which one to take? Per the recommendation of a friend I chose School of PE. School of PE guarantees that you pass the exam using their course, and if you don’t pass (and watched every minute of all the videos) you can retake the course again, free of charge. I knew my office would reimburse me for the online class once I passed so this seemed like a no-brainer to me. I did the On Demand option so I could have the flexibility to do the review course on my schedule. I didn’t love lectures in college so trying to do them at home was no easy feat. I started studying on the couch but realized I wasn’t paying enough attention and ended up moving to the dining room to free myself of home distractions. Even working in the quiet dining room I felt the review was tedious at times, I found myself scrolling through my phone during boring parts of the review and not paying full attention on the key concepts. I was determined to get through all of the lectures to ensure that I could retake the course if I didn’t pass, but I blew through it as fast as I could so that I could start working on problems. I had bought the PPI package that contained practice problem booklets, an NCEES practice exam, 2 PPI practice exams, and a Casio calculator. A lot of the problems offered through PPI seemed really complicated and I didn’t feel confident they were similar to the NCEES exam. The PPI Practice exams, however, I felt were similar to what I had seen in the NCEES practice tests, so I mostly used the practice exams for studying. I was worried about my timing per problem because I was never a fast test taker in college, so most of my studying consisted of taking 4 hour practice exams, grading them, and reviewing what I got wrong. I think the first practice exam I took I got a 35% or so, which really scared me. However, I would always score better on my next exam which made me feel more confident. I didn’t take the time to re-review the problems later on, so I think a lot of times I would see the solution for the problem, say “okay I know how to do that now,” and then I’d forget the knowledge the next day because I didn’t take the time to practice it enough. I over-tabbed EVERYTHING to prepare for exam day. I wanted to be able to find the information I needed as fast as I could. I even created index sheets to show where I could find a specific problems I had practiced so that I could easily just “plug and chug” based on how the practice problem was. I feel I spent wayyyyy too much time doing this. I wasn’t really learning the material, I was just going through the motions and creating references to find things easily so that the book could do the work for me. During the October exam I brought in dozens of binders/books during exam day and I may have used 3. I searched and searched and SEARCHED through material, panicking the whole way. My first pass through I think I had over half the problems left blank. I walked away from the morning session and cried in the car. It wasn’t pretty. My confidence was low, but I was also determined. I went back in, took a deep breath, and felt I finished the afternoon as strong as I could. The waiting game sucked for the results, but my gut told me I didn’t pass so I wasn’t in a huge rush. Inevitably, I didn’t end up passing and although I wasn’t surprised, I was still absolutely crushed. Studying for that long sucks the life out of you, and to know I had to jump back in was devastating. I wanted my life back! I signed up for the CBT exam the same day I got my failing results. I was determined to get this over with as fast as possible. I notified School of PE that I failed and got my course renewed. Take 2: I started back on studying after the holidays were over. The first thing I did was all of the School of PE practice problems that the instructors provided that I didn’t do from the last time. This was a good refresher for all the different kinds of problems I could come across. All of my studying was done in the dining room with the door shut and my cellphone was in another room. I was not going to be distracted by texts/social media anymore. I purchased the updated NCEES practice exam which was to reflect CBT questions. I was very frustrated to see that the majority of the problems on this practice exam were exactly what were on the last practice exam I purchased, with the exception of about 5 problems. Nonetheless, I made the best of it and practiced these problems until the methods for solving were basically engrained into my head. I used only the NCEES Reference Handbook for studying. I made sure I knew where to find equations and what words I had to use to “CTRL-F” to get to the answers. For example, you can’t type “hydraulic elements” to get to the chart, you need to type “hydraulic-elements”. I took notes on what kind of conversion factors and equations weren’t found in the handbook and made sure I learned them by heart. Some examples: 2.31 ft/psi, ideal gas laws using Cppm, equivalent sound pressure level equations, etc. I also purchased the PPI practice exams that were updated to reflect CBT format (https://ppi2pass.com/pe-environmental-practice-exams-peenpx.html). There are 2 full exams provided in this booklet. I ran these as 4 hour practice exams once again, and reviewed all the material I got wrong. I was able to complete these practice exams within 4 hours using only the NCEES Handbook and my scores were much better – I think the first one I took I got a 75%. My confidence was up, and I was feeling really good. I slowly started to realize that CBT might work to my advantage, because instead of tirelessly searching through reference materials to get to an answer, I only had one handbook to work from. I got to the equations much quicker so I could solve the problems faster. With that being said, the handbook is rarely helpful for qualitative questions. Qualitative questions are ones that apparently we’re just supposed to know the answer to. But again, instead of spending 25 minutes searching to find an answer, it was forcing me to make my best guess, saving me time to work on the problems I could solve using the manual. One of the practice exams I ran I used a dry erase board to simulate similar conditions to the testing environment. I got a terrible headache and hated every second, but I’m glad I tried it out like that. You will be provided a laminate booklet with I think 5 pages front and back and a fine tip dry erase marker that doesn’t smudge too bad. I was very worried this was going to be a struggle but it wasn’t nearly as bad as I anticipated. The day of the exam I finished both parts in less than 4 hours and felt I had plenty of time to focus on each problem. I felt the questions were very straightforward as long as you knew exactly what they were asking. They definitely still had trick questions and similar answers were options so it was important for me to take the time to make sure I was answering the question correctly. There were still a lot of qualitative questions which I was upset about, I’m definitely better at the math than the theory behind it, but a couple of the questions were very easy and obvious which was nice! I left the first 4 hours feeling like I could conquer the world. I ate my lunch, went for a walk, took a few deep breaths, and went back in to crush the second half. The second half I started strong but after a while (as expected) my head hurt from staring at the computer and my back was sore from sitting in the chair. I managed to finish out somewhat strong but I was mentally exhausted when it was all over. Everyone thinks it sounds so nice to only wait 7-10 days for the results, but to me I found it to be a worse torture because I never got the chance to forget about the exam. When I had to wait 10 weeks I left all my worries at the door because I knew I wouldn’t have them for a long time. I was second guessing myself and the answers I came up with. I was googling ones I struggled on. I wasn’t sleeping and I was refreshing the website every day. Overall I’m glad I only had to wait for a week, but just know it’s not as nice as it sounds, haha. I ended up getting my results 7 business days after taking the exam. From what I’ve researched it seems like NCEES only releases results on Wednesday mornings. I think that’s all the information I have. I apologize that I rambled so much haha. I wish you all the best of luck both studying and during the exam. If you have any questions at all please do not hesitate to reach out, I’d be happy to help in any way that I can.
  44. 8 points
    I can’t wait to troll like other members trolled me the last 3 times I took the exam (finally passed in fall 2018). Lol.
  45. 8 points
  46. 8 points
    Dear NCEES, Roses are red, violets aren’t blue It’s amazing the pain that you put me through I pay for your test, I studied so hard “Unacceptable” you say! My psyche is scarred. But surely, I think, the next time’s the charm? Learn from my mistakes, ok what’s the harm? With each failed attempt, it’s less likely I’ll pass The tears I have shed, ‘twould surprise you, their mass. I did what I could, bought your practice exam. “Accurate practice”…we both know it’s a sham. But oh well what’s the point, I’ll pay you again. Each consecutive fail like a kick to the shin. Don’t worry some say, this is what’s life’s like! You fall, stand up tall, and get back on the bike. But this is quite different, I sardonically say These graders—with my emotions they play They trick me and fool me in every way What did I do wrong? No one can tell Frustration so strong, it could make me yell. But my dear friends that’s the end of this rhyme Sorry that reading it took so much time. NCEES there’s still time, for us to be friends A simple, succinct and fair way to make amends. In April when you see my dear test Just put “acceptable”, let’s agree, it’d be best.
  47. 8 points
    I understand what you mean (and agree it should not come down to luck of the draw if you know your stuff), so I offer you (and anyone else considering taking the SE exam) my thoughts; the exam is brutal (a little too much IMO) but it also means that if you pass this you should be respected as an engineer who is on-top of their game. The extreme difficulty adds distinction to someone calling themselves an SE in my mind. I highly doubt there are many license exams in the professional world harder than than the SE exam. I took the exam in a region that doesn't require an SE precisely because of this extreme challenge. When I finally passed the SE exam I felt that I had learned just as much from studying for the SE exam as I had in college. I also felt that the SE exam had exposed me to many more things that I just hadn't fully learned in daily work. It was what truly allowed me to personally feel confident going out in the world and stating, "I am a structural engineer!" I know it doesn't help with your immediate goals, but each time you work toward the SE is 6 months of effort to making yourself a better structural engineer. I spent 2 years working on the exam and it was brutal, but when I finally passed it was the sweetest feeling. Think of how many PDH hours or meetings or college courses we take that do nothing for us professionally. This time is not wasted, whether you pass or not. So, with that, take a break to regroup. Figure out what you need to do differently this time around. Don't just do the same thing over again as it clearly didn't work. Try to mix things up and re-engage yourself so you can get back on the horse 100% motivated. You're so close, it would be a shame to quit now.
  48. 8 points
  49. 7 points
    So you're saying a spot on the ledge has just opened up? DIBS!
  50. 7 points
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